This leads to the government deciding which websites you can visit and cant visit down the line. This is a dystopian level of control and with surveillance already getting dystopian… Pick your dystopian technology book and decide which one we’re leading towards. Fascism policies are already on the rise in democratic worlds.
I pick mad max. In the end, it will come down to oil.
Mad max in 1984.
I think tank girl, and it will come down to clean water
Oooh, good one.
Am I the only one who read Rash?
Yes, I did read it in Jr high so don’t expect a masterpiece but I’d say it’s pretty accurate and can be read in a day.
…as opposed to the non-democratic worlds, which are already as fascist as you can get, right?
Great, more boomers who can’t understand how the internet works.
This doesn’t stem from a lack of understanding. It’s about corporations and control.
We need to stop believing the boomer’s framing that they’re all old and dumb, and start realizing that they’d eat us if we tasted good
Given all the cute sentient animals humans gleefully consume, your words ring true.
Those cute sentient animals would eat us too if they were sapient. And we tasted good.
The difference is we pretend to be better than then, we know better and can usually do something about it.
Each half of that sentence is diametrically opposed to the other.
The thing that would make us better isn’t knowing; it’s doing. It makes sense to say that someone who knows better but behaves no better is literally no better.
Rationality is sensitivity and responsiveness to reasons, and plenty of folks are unresponsive to normative facts.
At least 70% of humans are just dangerously intelligent animals. Like imagine a polar bear that can drive and trade stocks. That’s the average person.
Can’t have those small-time AI startups gathering training data like the big boys do.
No, we’re at the point where the people pushing these laws do understand how the Internet works, and they want to control all of it.
It’s a series of tubes.
I mean, kind of, but also absolutely not
Ironically, that guy was probably the closest any politician at the time got to understanding what the internet was.
Choose your DNS provider wisely
NextDNS is good and I just realised that it’s based in The US. The alternative ones don’t seem to provide the feature of granular filtering.
I use pihole+unbound right now and hoping that is unaffected
Like this will ever work. lol. Just don’t get VPN from a company that is headquartered in the US. Problem solved. There are a million other ways to bypass this. There will ALWAYS be away, they’re just trying to make it harder for the experienced, and impossible for your average Joe.
The only way to stop it is buy severing all the cables and blowing up the infrastructure. They aren’t prepared to do that.
Literally. This is not a new “fight”. These corrupt, bribes-ridden fuckers have been “fighting” piracy since the inception of the internet, and they’ve always lost, and always lose.
They could also force ISPs to ban VPN IPs that don’t comply with their piracy blocking rules, regardless of whether they’re in the US.
This is the same party that are all for unregulated AI use and no consequences for breaking copyright to train it.
This bill’s goal is to provide a standardized mechanism to filter sites then start blocking sites that state doesn’t approve.
It’s same as the other “think of the children” bills of the party that is protecting pedophiles.
political theater. won’t happen because it’s unenforceable.
- VPNs operate outside of federal control
- ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor which is laughable
- DNS exists outside of the US
if this does happen, IF, it has nothing to do with IP rights or protecting Americans. it has everything to do with censoring what the majority of common Americans read online. this is the first step towards blocking news outlets that won’t regurgitate whitehouse directives.
I’m a bit surprised they’ve gone with piracy as an excuse - usually it’s “Think of the children!” Maybe they’ve finally figured out that we already know that republicans are thinking of (molesting) the children so they’ve fallen back on “You wouldn’t download a car”.
deleted by creator
- ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor
And blocking the IP address of the site in question, as well. That’s why so many “illegal” sites jump around IP addresses like a flea on a hot griddle. They’re trying to remain accessible whenever the ISP prevents direct access.
Because if you block the IP address, blocking DNS is superfluous and performative – it’s just window dressing for better optics towards politicians who don’t understand tech. DNS censorship trivially bypassible by using custom DNS servers that aren’t affected by the censorship, while IP blocking hits everyone who is under that ISP regardless of their DNS settings - they need a VPN to bypass IP blocking.
all that’s going to do is give them an excuse to block IPs outside the US by the block.
keep an eye on the FCC and any legislation they take against HAM or SDR. without that it would be difficult to have any comms outside the US.
No, IP blocking is widespread in most places, it’s just that “rights holder” lawsuits go after the domain name, first, both in terms of the registrar and DNS. They also force ISPs to block IP addresses, but this is more of a whack-a-mole prospect so it’s usually a second-order method.
US on the way to become a less free country than China lol
well on the way
China inspects each packet for vpn patterns. US still have lots of work to do.
Don’t worry, we built up lots of processing power in data centers. We’ll get there soon.
obsf4, meek, SnowFlake, and WebTunnel all say hello.
That’s the whole point of VPN providers. They’re not in your jurisdiction.
If piracy was a problem I can find them multiple international corporations that are well know for using copyrighted content to train their LLM without paying for it or having permission from the owner of that content.
This is a special kind of irony: someone is lambasting one group for piracy while simultaneously advocating for another group to do essentially the same thing for their own benefit.
They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?
I’m not supporting the idea of pirating data for LLM training. I’m just saying: don’t be a hypocrite simply because a group of people you dislike is doing the same thing you’re doing, for the same reasons.
They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?
One group is poor individuals and the other is a billion/trillion dollar industry that’s basically gloating about pirating at an industrial scale.
Going after individuals for downloading a 4Gb rip of a movie doesn’t make any financial sense but it makes a lot more sense going after companies downloadinh millions of gigabytes and have more than enough money to pay damages
So it’s strange to continue attacking individuals while covering your eyes at the big companies
I’m not attacking anyone, and I’m not covering my eyes to anything.
You basically just proved my point: going after every individual or corporation that pirates isn’t really feasible.
I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy in the stance itself. It doesn’t matter who’s doing the pirating; the underlying justification is the same. If it’s acceptable for an individual to pirate something because the company no longer sells it, then you can’t suddenly declare that same reasoning unacceptable when a corporation does it for essentially the same reason.
You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.
You’re either okay with piracy as a principle, or you’re not. You don’t get to create one standard for individuals and another for corporations simply because you prefer one of them.
Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.
That’s exactly what I’m doing though. Imagine standing there with a bullhorn shouting that you just downloaded every available movie, show, research paper, news article, etc and you’re now profiting significantly off of it, as an individual. You’d get sued into oblivion if you weren’t sent to prison first.
I still think pirating is okay and that the US twisting the world’s arm to enforce the DMCA is fucking BS but if we have to suffer with it then the billion dollar companies should have to too
Privacy is not ok. People are stealing intellectual property. You can dress it up however you want, but that doesn’t change what is actually happening.
At some point, you have to stop convincing yourself that you’re somehow not breaking the law simply because enforcement is difficult or unlikely. Let’s not beat around the bush: I’m completely comfortable with what I’m hypothetically doing when I hypothetically pirate media, and I fully understand exactly what is taking place. I’m not pretending otherwise.
And let’s be honest, people aren’t exactly hiding it. They’re openly discussing it, building massive communities around it, sharing methods and resources, and publicly arguing for why they think it’s justified. Look at the conversation we’re having right now. The difference is that, in practice, prosecuting every individual pirate or every corporation doing something similar, is generally not worth the resources required.
But that’s a question of enforcement, not legality.
Look, man. You don’t have to morally agree with piracy, and you don’t have to pretend it’s something other than what it is. Just admit to yourself what is actually taking place when someone pirates something: they’re obtaining and using copyrighted material without the copyright holder’s authorization. Whether you personally think that’s justified is a completely separate question.
They’re all in bed together.
Exactly, this is to implement mechanism to block political sites that the state doesn’t approve. Please contact your representatives.
Sounds like another assault on freedom of speech.
Yeah, good luck with enforcing that to foreign VPN providers, you dumb fucks.
Obviously those will then be blocked entirely.
Sure, obviously. These idiots can’t even tie their own shoes without assistants. But sure.
“Freedom” LMAO
Free as in beer. (The citizens are the product)
And wouldn’t you know it, anything that disagrees with the current regime is piracy.
Not just piracy. Woke piracy.
Woke piracy is the best piracy!!
Well, time to protest, and if need be, use the constitution how it was intended.
We’re just not allowed to use computers in any way that actually benefits us, anymore? Digital prison man.
In any country. Which is already nudging me in the direction of buying some land and weapons, set up some kind of a farm and let humanity fuck itself however it wants. Big problem though: land and weapons cost way more than I can afford
You’ll get there, don’t worry. We’re working on that ourselves too. I’m at least half way there.
Yay, I am glad for you:)
That’s the dream.
But surely the whole point of using the VPN is to use one that’s outside of U.S authority?
Not if you want low lacency.
IMO your main concern should be about what country the VPN is based out of (and their privacy policy) more than where the servers are located. But then again I suppose it all depends on what kind of activity you’re using your VPN for.
When I was messing around with my VPN, I was looking at translated news from Germany, France and Spain and they all have more or less different data usage policies. It’s interesting but at the same time, you can just go on a news website that a country mainly uses and translate it.
Interstingly though, when I used a VPN, it changes all the typical homepage shortcuts on Google chrome to what Germany, France and Spain uses for the main shortcuts.
