Indeed. Never leave your kid alone with a priest. I was that kid.
I’m sure there are some preists who are good people, but enough of them are predators that it ain’t worth the risk
Most priests aren’t paedophiles.
The problem is that the hierarchy actively protects and covers up those who are, to the extent of moving them to different parishes if people get suspicious. And to be clear, this isn’t because popes are necessarily in favour of paedophilia (though I’m not saying none are…), it’s because the clergy are more concerned with the prestige and survival of the institution than they are with the well-being of lay believers.
Also the seal of confession. Paedo priests would confess their abuse to all of their colleagues using it. Thus they can’t do anything or they’d be accused of breaking said seal
It’s been a trope since at least the 1500s that clergy are pedos, “Julius Excluded from Heaven” by Erasmus contains this exchange between Saint Peter and the recently deceased pope Julius:
PETER: [… ] I hope it won’t be too tiresome for you to answer a few clumsy questions about the details. Who, for example, are these little curly-headed striplings? JULIUS: I brought them up for my diversion.
Yes but statistics indicate priests are not more likely to be pedophiles than any other profession that works regularly with children.
The problem with the catholic church isn’t just that a lot of preists are predators, it’s that the church covered up these crimes and moved preists to new places where they could continue being predators
You’re right, my comment didn’t address how the church protects predators compared to other professions that work with kids.
Statistics need someone to report them, and someone to record them.
If you haven’t experienced it you don’t know how tightly faith communities protect the people they worship.
Not a priest, but a southern baptist youth minister, I was also that kid.
I don’t know anybody, myself included certainly, who doesn’t have a story about a youth pastor.
When I hear pastor, I can’t help but think of pasture, as in “put out to pasture”. It’s a lot harder to molest vunerable people if they’re without an misleading image to hide behind.
Pastor means shepherd, and pasture means sheep-field. So yeah.
R/woosh
You could expand beyond just Catholics
Just one example
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/faqs-sexual-abuse-southern-baptist/
Let’s do another religion too
I do not trust pious people for this reason. The closer to god they claim they are, the further you should stay away from them.
Definitely sexual abuse is not limited to Catholicism, they just had an extraordinarily structured operation of it that was understood and tolerated at the highest levels. It was a system, not a pattern of instances. That’s why they’re irrevocably associated with this.
Recently had to file a report at a state-run insurance and they have a dedicated button on their webpage for “sexualized violence in churches”.
I do wonder, is it the churches themselves that are insured that way? Because surely the victims get paid from the lawsuit, not from insurance.
But either way, that is fucking harrowing that they have a dedicated button for it.
I get that it’s probably just a matter of “we offer insurance for this, so we’ll have a button for it”. But even that someone in a government-near position decided “kids get raped in churches so often, and we expect more cases to happen or be uncovered, so we should add an insurance for that to our portfolio”, that concept just does not fit into my brain.
Any place where individuals hold a position of trust and authority is going to attract all kinds of abusers.
Which is why people in such positions should be held to a higher standard
Agreed
Not to mention that no one brings their kids to drag shows. But everyone takes their kid to church, and a lot of churches even have daycares attached where you can leave them all day.
Drag performers sometimes do child friendly events such as story time, but there’s nothing sexual about those events. In fact, it’s no question why kids would be drawn to being read stories by someone in a whimsical costume.
Fwiw, even burlesque performers sometimes do family friendly events (for obvious reason they do an outfit change rather than a strip tease). Anyone who does adult shows is very aware of the line between family friendly and not, and likely knows the local blue laws better than anyone else
Yeah like there are definitely some drag shows you shouldn’t take your kids to but there’s also movies and concerts you shouldn’t take your kids to. There’s even kids horror movies vs the obvious r rated adult stuff. If they’re old enough to know boys and girls are different they’re old enough to understand that sometimes people do other shit for fun the same as they’re able to watch fucking Casper and experiment with the idea of death. It’s just a fucking genre.
Oh, really?
•music too loud
•choke on rhinestone that flew off during dancing
•crushed between two sweaty drag queens
•drugs sometimes
Oh, wait, you said safer. Yeah.
Were you describing what happens at church?
Wait, your church has drugs (sometimes)?
Always has.
Kids have a blast at drag shows.
Genuinely one of the kindest gentlest most wholesome environments I’ve been in.
Not that my experience is super broad or representative, but, maybe because there’s so much misunderstanding, they’re particularly patient and warm.
Would definitely bring my kid to a drag show before leaving him alone with a priest.
Yes, I know.
However, I would prefer them to be at drag story time.
Sprinkler thought, this is a no-brainer
Welcome to the mids 2010s, may I take your coat? This was a very common thing to say, down to the word, and was posted everywhere for years since that was the peak of when the American right-wingers had temper tantrums over kids being around lgbtq+ people (mainly drag shows etc.).
This isn’t a shower thought, it’s just a popular opinion.Because there’s no pretender in drag show.
maybe not a maga drag/ conservative dragqueen, these do exist.
i think evangelicals, and probably mormon churchs hides more pedophelia, SA.
better of with MS rachel.
Words of wisdom, Lloyd. Words of wisdom.
I mean they are so big you can’t ignore them.
