• eicker@lemmy.worldOP
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    13 days ago

    The AI gets to accuse you based on a bad guess, while you have to file paperwork and surrender more personal data to prove you didn’t steal a pack of vitamins. »Innocent until proven guilty« is now a premium feature.

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      Innocent until proven guilty was always the highest tier wealthy only premium. Everyone else is expected to plea bargain down to a crime they didn’t commit.

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      12 days ago

      if you’re a billionaire you can be proven guilty and still be considered innocent

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        A false accusation of theft is literally Libel.

        So anybody rich enough or who is a Lawyer or Judge can easilly take them to Court for it and win compensation.

        As with most nasty things, it’s only done to the riff-raff, not the upper-middle and upper class.

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    12 days ago

    The world would be dramatically better if about 10,000 specific people died

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    What is wild about all this is looking back to the old social contract and how it basically made this fobitted forbidden.

    The best example is the movie minority report in which they had a fool proof way to 100% of the time predict the future.

    I won’t spoil the movie, but the whole premise was that even if there was one instance of it making a mistake, and a innocent person was put on ice by mistake, then the whole thing had to be shut down.

    And in today’s reality: all of big tech’s new tools make mistakes constantly, sometimes more than getting things right, and it’s still full steam ahead on the rollout.

    MFW dystopian movies were too optimistic

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      Same can be said for the death penalty, but the GOP and even a lot of Democrats are for it. Even though they’re are actual past cases of killing innocent people.

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      fobitted

      I’m sure this is a typo of some kind, but I can’t for the life of me work out what it was.“Predicted”? “Foretold”? I’m sure I’m being dense and just missing something obvious, but I’d love to hear what.

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    This will ultimately be the death of retail stores.

    Half the reason anyone wants to go to a store in 2026 is to have a good time shopping in person. If going to the store leads to any chance of a shitty experience? Fuck it dude, I’ll just order online like everyone else I suppose.

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      I guess the stock boys and cashiers could just be like the olden groceries, where you bring your list and they fill it? Or, I guess more layoffs?

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      These days, stores are for last minute purchases. If I think of something I need, I order it, and then wait for it to show up. I’m not interested in wandering around Walmart.

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    Self Checkouts are not even self checkout anymore. You go up and scan your stuff then 2 times out of 3 someone has to come over and approve that you scanned everything. At that point just open the normal lanes back up

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      I literally stopped shopping at Kroger over this. If you’re gonna accuse me of stealing every third item I scan because I use a reusable shopping bag instead of the single-use plastic ones, you aren’t getting my business.

      I think the only one more over it than me was the poor associate who had to keep signing in to watch videos of me scanning stuff.

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        It’s so annoying. I’ll scan something big and the computer is OUT LOUD saying at me “BAG YOUR ITEM” like NO! I DONT WANT TO!

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          The grocery store nearest my house (QFC, a slightly nicer Kroger-owned regional chain) has tiny trays for the bagging area. Anything more bulky than a gallon of milk and a bag of apples turns into a weird game of Jenga.

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        The Kroger I used to be close to had the carts where the wheel would lock at the door if the system thought you were stealing something which it did every other time I went causing me to stumble or bang my shin against the cart and look like a fool stopped in the middle of the doorway while waiting for an employee to come unlock my cart. I stopped going after I realized the whole experience of going to Kroger actually kinda just ruined my day and pissed me off. I typically did a bulk of my shopping right after my paycheck so id have a lot of stuff and I was forced to go throigh self checkout 90% of the time because they sometimes didnt have any open normal checkout lanes. Their aisles were also fairly claustrophobic and prices werent even really much lower. Makes me wonder if it would actually be cheaper to let people steal over paying for all the bullshit non working security systems

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      And the supermarket systems still don’t get right the prices for fruits. Which means you have to call another employee to enter the price for you.

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        I’ve walked out of Walmart before over wrong prices. I was just there to look at the camping section and see if they had any deals. There was a cooler on sale for 10$. I go scan it. 30$. I just left it there at the self checkout and went home.

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          9 times out of 10 if you ask the attendant for help they’ll honor the price if there was a signage error.

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      opening more lanes very obviously makes things better for customers but that’s not even remotely the goal. self-checkout lets them slash their labor costs and give out more executive bonuses by just paying one employee to manage the entire self-checkout section. they wouldn’t get to keep that money if they opened up more lanes and paid an employee per lane. so now every store has 20 lanes with at most three lanes open, and only if it’s really slammed.

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    Can we actually see the reports? Not saying it can’t happen but using AI in articles creates lots of views. Is “Home Bargin” the only store doing this? Is it only in the UK? This is really poor reporting here.

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    When I worked at Lowe’s they could tell the instant shoplifters pulled into the parking lot. They even had nicknames for the repeat offenders.

    “Heads up, Dumb and Dumber just pulled in, no doubt headed for lumber.”

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      False accusation is one of the more difficult things to write laws for, because it’s very difficult to prove. IE the problem is defining honest reasonable suspicions from blatent attacks… and differentiating cannot prove it from proven innocent. Perhaps in shoplifting I don’t care, but in other aspects of life, say rape or violence that I actually do care about. We don’t want someone to not report serious crimes because if they can’t prove beyond reasonable doubt the person is guilty, they open themselves up to the law swinging the other way. So it can’t directly be provably guilty that makes the line, which then goes to intent. Is the accuser making a reasonable claim that merits opening an investigation, or maliciously getting it wrong on purpose, which is almost impossible to prove one way or the other beyond them being dumb enough to brag about it on social media.

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        No, but if a private corporation accuses me of shoplifting, bisrmirching my good name, you better believe I’m going to sue for libel.

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        This is actually trivial. Corporations and authorities have massive resources expertise and time. Private individuals have none of these things so you favor the small fry in every interaction.

        You only punish false reports by individuals which are obviously proven malicious and knowingly false while you screw companies and authorities to the wall for the slightest lack of due diligence.

        Should have known that the person who you put through the wringer was innocent because they live in a different state and only vaguely look like the person in bad cctv but ai told you it was them 5 million from both company and gov and principals on both sides get fired and on the government side bannied from any gov job.

        You can trivially treat both classes differently and get the desired result

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        False accusation is one of the more difficult things to write laws for, because it’s very difficult to prove.

        But you make it unnecessarily difficult by mixing up the definition itself and the questions of proof.

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    This is a great way for people to lesen how this technology can be used negatively. Get the backlash early before it has completely infected everything.

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    Someone must have been telling lies about Some slop machine must have misidentified Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.

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    its infuriating that law enforcement is this incompetent. to arrest innocent people is unacceptable. i hope they all get hundreds of millions each. these people cops need to learn lessons and get educated on the law so they dont enforce the laws wrong, like in this case

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      Oh, not just arrest. I don’t know if it was Ai or not, but the 1y/o who was recently mudered by police was in the car with people falsely accused of shoplifting. The family was told by the courts that it was a “reasonable use of force”.

      Wild that largely untrained cops can dole out the death penalty to a bystander for a crime that has little-to-no inherent urgency and would never carry a sentence even a fraction as severe.

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        untrained cops can dole out the death penalty

        this should of been the biases of defense for the victum (1 yr old), cuz w.e they did use didnt work.

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      It’s not just the incompetence that’s the problem, it’s also the laziness and malice.

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    I worked at my local Goodwill (they’re split up by region). We kept a close eye on known shoplifters, but we couldn’t say anything and even my boss couldn’t say anything unless he literally saw them conceal the object then walk out of the store and never broke eye contact. They said the store could get sued if we stopped them and they had ditched the contraband in the moment we looked away.

    I don’t see why the stores discussed here should be treated differently. Someone needs to sue these surveillance stores until they stop automating false accusations.