Republicans flock to buy racist cars, only find electric. Confusion sets in.
Time for that sweating and 2 buttons meme.
But the confusion is fleeting, as it always is, because they don’t have the brain power to process the cognitive dissonance.
So they just trail off and then start screaming at the wind? Lead poisoning is a bitch.
If the pattern follows, those young teen Millennials somehow are to blame even though there are Millennials in their 40s now.
The wind also contains chemtrails.
Elon is looking into rolling coal exhaust on Teslas for his Nazi fan club
It’s just a trailer option for the cybertruck that’s basically a stationary 700hp engine idling without a muffler. It’s not generating power, just smoke.
honey? Can you refill the truck’s carbon tank? The smoke is getting thin again
No, it generates power, to run a giant burner that is loaded with old tires, coal, and bunker fuel.
Surely fox news will tell them how to think.
And it will be in everyone’s best own interests.
racist cars
Lmao. What the actual fuck?
Cars 4: From River to the Sea
Cars 5: Electric Boogaloo 2: The Return of Adolf
Did you read the article?
There you go. It was all OK until it impacted $$. Glad they finally did something, but wish it would have been based on an actual ethical concern.
this is one of the few levers of power we have. remember that every nickel they have comes from us working and us buying.
Free market morality.
To be fair, I think one could argue with a straight face that if we’re still buying the products, then we really don’t care that much. Why should a company be motivated by morality if we as a society collectively aren’t?
We should hold ourselves to the same standards or we’re just hypocrites.
If the only fridges on the market contain CFCs then people are going to buy them because they need fridges. If the only CFC-free fridges are more expensive than CFC ones then only affluent people, at most, are going to buy them.
It’s called a market failure: There are costs associated with a product that are not taken into account because the regulatory regime doesn’t make sure they are. In the case of CFCs we went even further than making fridge producers pay up for the externalities they cause (which would’ve been an astronomical sum) and right-out banned that stuff. The consumer, after all, is still saving money with CFC fridges (their food doesn’t spoil as easily), they’re not paying for the ozone hole, either.
See the free market is a theoretical model, it indeed promises prefect results given that all actors are perfectly rational and act on perfect information, the maths makes sense. Perfect rationality and information don’t exist in the real world, though (and in fact ads and company secrets exist to degrade the information available to everyone) so we need regulations to fix market failures so that the real-world market comes closer to approximating the free market. Misunderstanding of this point brought to you by peddlers of institutionalised market failure equivocating “free market” and “unregulated market”.
The EU tends to have a good grasp on it, the US, boy oh boy.
In principle I’m inclined to agree, however isn’t this glossing over the degree to which markets are consolidated?
You try to opt out of products/services and choose more ethical alternatives, but it turns out the most readily available alternatives are in some way connected to the same unethical parent company. Ultimately the individualistic approach to addressing these matters is untenable and requires collective action in some form (ideally it would be leveraging a government that reflects the interests of the people).
“Opting out” doesn’t mean you “opt in” to whatever forced you to “opt out” to begin with.
If I give you a choice between being punched in the face or getting kicked in the crotch, it’s not moral acquiescence to either regardless which you choose.
Your argument rests on a fallacy- “vote with your wallet”. This presumes that we don’t vote with our voice anymore, so it supersedes a democratic system of governance.
Consider: “if you oppose slavery, just don’t buy slaves, and we’ll let the market sort out who’s right and wrong”
Your argument rests on a fallacy- “vote with your wallet”. This presumes that we don’t vote with our voice anymore, so it supersedes a democratic system of governance.
Meaning this genuinely, not in a snarky way: did you read to the end of my comment? My phrasing may have been poor or a tad wordy, but I recognize what you’re describing and advise collective, political action instead of voting with one’s wallet.
The parenthetical at the end wasn’t to suggest otherwise, only that doing so via one’s existing/current government may not be a readily available option, demanding one change their government so as to make it work to those ends. I should have been clearer on that point.
No, I don’t think you could, because you don’t really have a choice.
I find this naive cynicism exasperating.
“Let’s improve society somewhat.”
“Yet, you partake in society! Curious! / sent from my iPhone”
Sent from graphene but sure
Supply side ethics
I think what you’re saying is either inaccurate or excessively vague. Many ultra rich people got money by inheriting it, through the stock market, and to a much lesser degree, through government spending programs.
The way you framed the issue is a classic one, and it’s essentially blaming us, the consumers, for creating the problem that we are facing. First of all, that would simply be inaccurate because there are many causes, and second of all, it doesn’t really matter who you blame. The question is how we can fix the broken situation.
Not really. They said consumption AND labor. Stocks are capital, and their profits come from underpaying workers for the value they produce through labor. Inherited wealth is also acquired through and stored in capital.
In addition, the government is an essential part of capitalism, as it protects owned property more economically than the private armies of feudalism. Government spending programs that give the rich money are paid for by political donations, but the actual profitability is hard to quantify.
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blame, responsibility, and the ability to do something are three interrelated but distinct concepts. the ability to force bad actors to change by refusing to reward them for bad actions does not put the blame on us for failure to do so. If you forget to lock your front door and someone robs you, there was something you could have done to prevent the robbery but only the thief carries the blame.
I don’t expect people making bank to have many ethical concerns, tbh.
“It’s just one small thing. Besides, there are many other things to complain about!” said every investor tied to everything people complain about, probably.
These people have money for blood, what makes you think their ethics are any different? I don’t care what sets the face eating leopards off so long as they get to eating faces.
Expecting investors to behave ethically instead of in their financial interest? I see you’re feeling bold today
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This is capitalism. There is no place for “actual ethical concern.”
I’m waiting for Apple and Google to pull the X client from their app stores.
Then the fun really begins.
Why don’t people just stop caring about whatever the fuck is going on at Twitter/X? I consider it in the same realm as truthsocial or OANN comment sections. Sure, musky had enough money to buy a platform, but that platform is elevated by it’s users. If people just stopped doing that, it would be irrelevant. Literally nothing important has happened on twitter, ever. We don’t need it. Just discard it and let it wither in the dark.
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To add to this, every politician, journalist, and influencer is on Twitter, so even if a majority of people don’t use it or post on it, the platform is a hub for ideas and real-time news.
Panem et circem.
Meet the circem.
They keep the panem.
something would have to be seriously wrong for that to happen
In the EU, App stores already have a legal responsibility to remove apps that promote hate speech. While both Google and Apple are sitting on the sidelines while the EU is going through the legal motions to tear Musk a new one, I wouldn’t be surprised if they kick X out just before someone forces them too, just to pretend they actually care.
Just in time for the EU to also force third party app stores through, and X attempting to make one sounds plausible even if they get nowhere with it.
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They already have no problem pulling other apps for shit that Xitter is known to pull. Even when said other apps have a similar lack of control (or even less) over said content.
And the users will migrate into the welcoming arms of the 粪 client instead.
I hate billionaire nazis
Musk can a smoke fat dick. I am so sick of hearing about that cunt.
Can we just fully cancel his ass so we don’t have to hear about him any more. I yearn for the day I no longer hear about Musk or Trump on a daily basis.
We let people get so fucking rich that everything they do is newsworthy because it actually impacts a ton of people.
The real problem is that we don’t actually need rich people in the first place.
This story highlights why news about this is still important. The investors wouldn’t be doing this if they thought a lot of people wouldn’t hear about it and be disgusted.
I couldn’t care less about whatever else he does, but when he does something awful, spread it as much as you can. We can see very clearly that not all news is good news for him. And one thing I do want to see is him discovering the consequences of his action, for once in his life.
Couldn’t agree more. He’s all over the news all the time, but Lemmy seems especially obsessed with him. I understand, given the demographics here, but I wish he would just go away forever
And he’ll never go away, ever. As long as he has munny he will be a thorn in everyones side, he cannot simply be voted out like a politician sadly
Or—and please, sit down before you read any further—the media could…stop reporting every single thing he says. [thunder crashes. children scream.]
The fucking prick really needs to learn to shut the fuck up for a change… And like yesterday.
I cant wait too see his ass in court for some crime hes been caught doing
Oh yeah… hadn’t even thought about it but you’re right… That seems likely over a long enough timeline.
Rich people dont experience justice…
“We are absolutely appalled at this behavior!” [Buys more stock in Tesla] “I mean really, this has gone too far!” [Collects dividends] “He needs to resign, this is disgusting!” [Watches stock price climb] “this antisemitism must stop or else!” [Buys more stock]
In the interest of pedantry; TSLA doesn’t declare dividends.
If I, an absolutely moral and ethical person, don’t buy Tesla stock and gain profits from its climbing, somebody less moral and ethical will.
I mean that’s how public stocks work, yeah?
But you buying and holding also contributes to the price going up. Just as you refusing to buy or selling your shares contributes to prices going down. This is how Elon has manipulated markets for quite a while.
Bruh. What internet lefties have right is that we don’t have an impact in capitalism. Get yo wins.
GME would like a word
Guns or GMEs. Get your gold my man.
You mean those who denounce capitalism aren’t actively fueling the fire? Imagine that.
They are, but they think they’re fighting it.
We gonna ignore definitional disputes.
I think what you meant is,
If I buy Tesla stock, then I have a small voice in how the company is run, and I can push it towards a more progressive and altruistic vision.
Tesla Investors Call for Musk’s Suspension
They’ll quickly find themselves in the same position as the GOP with Trump. Where they want to replace him and cut their losses but the cult of personality is around that one person and nothing else. That’s what happens when your audience is so cult-like and fanatical. Not that I feel bad for either the GOP or Tesla obviously, it’s still their fault for cultivating these bastards and they don’t deserve the slightest sympathy.
Or just that Elon’s shares are big enough that he can dictate what happens
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Right after it dropped 30% tho
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So, you agree the upturns are as meaningless as the downturns. Good deal.
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Why must someone upset at potential losses turn them into actual losses? You can’t think of an alternative, like pushing articles on some mouthpiece publication, maybe Gizmodo? Nope, if anyone cared they’d all show it by losing money and influence, obviously
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Sorry, I forgot that when you want to sell a bunch of stocks everyone just buys them all at your preferred high price, and then the price magically goes down after
I’m sure none of them care at all it’s just pr damage control
“Who cares about the message attached? The product is solid!”
Well… About the product being solid… Turns out it’s kinda flimsy and loose.
“Well, at least the message is good.”
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Xcrement*
Xcretion
Musk finally end that step too far. Dude forgot there’s a world out there beyond the weird right-wing bubble he’s created for himself on X.
Personally I think the only reason for this action is the Swedish Unions blockade.
I think they’d have let him be as shitty as he wanted for as long as he wanted if not for their profits being impacted.
I’m sure his response will be doubling down and turning away more investors. But if that goofy fucking truck being shit, delayed, and possibly a scam didn’t dissuade them…
Melon Husk ranting about “cancel culture” in 3…2…1…
Suspend him from where?
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I wouldn’t even mind if we could only get particularly aggressive sea bass
I’m good with ill tempered or terribly vexed.
Hurt him in the way that’s most painful to narcissists: remove his ability to generate narcissistic supply. Kill Xcrement.
these investors can say what they want, but the only language musk speaks is money. Sell the shares, dump the stock price.
I can’t wait till Tesla falls apart like the house of cards it is.
Tons of people gave Tesla a $250,000 interest-free loan in the form of pre-ordering the roadster that was supposed to be released two years ago. People are going to remember that and think twice before pre-ordering the next big car release
They sell vaporware, let’s be real. Cybertruck is going to be a huge disaster calling it now
people are going to remember that
I really would doubt that unfortunately
