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    Jokes involving racial stereotypes can be funny and inoffensive if what you’re making fun of IS the stereotypes, not the race. The writers of Airplane! being Jewish themselves, I reckon they knew exactly what they were doing. At least the bearded plane is clearly an example of making fun of the stereotype, not the people.

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      Soul Plane was a non-stop parody of black stereotypes. Damn that was good.

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      I wish it was so simple. Really it should be. A word can mean any number of things based on context or inflection but now i have to really be careful as to not offend. I feel like that’s a created thing.

      Obviously i say things in a friendly way or in a mean way and I feel like we are just going the “you can’t say that word” route. When it’s not the word, it’s the context.

      As such, yes anyone who finds that picture offensive falls into that group. It was also a great movie. Let’s dissect Spaceballs for racism next!

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      if what you’re making fun of IS the stereotypes, not the race.

      Tell that to my American friends if the N word comes up. Yeah, some things for some people are so wired in as associated with offence or trauma it’s better to steer clear. At least in real life. Public media is weird because it’s kind of to everyone and no one at the same time. I’m glad some films/etc can make fun in ways some find offensive, but I’m glad I’m not the judge of it!

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    - Would you like something to read?

    - Do you have anything light?

    - How about this leaflet, “Famous Jewish Sports Legends?”

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      I mean, the producers (David and Jerry Zucker) are Jewish themselves, so these jokes in Airplane are self-deprecating

      EDIT: “were” to “are”; AFAIK the Zuckers are still with us 😅

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    It really is. 44 year old movie and all of the jokes still land. Gen Z kids will especially appreciate the white flight attendant speaking in Jive to the black passengers.

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    God I love this movie. True irreverent humor that I don’t want to know if people contained about. Nude breasts that perfectly fit the MPAA PG nudity guidelines of “brief and non-sexual”. So many quotable one-liners. The sight gags were on point and perfectly timed. I WISH movies like this could be made. Scary Movie, Not Another Teen Movie, and all the other parody movies are great, but do not hold a candle to the Airplane! movies.

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        “It’s true what they say, cops and women don’t mix. It’s like eating a spoonful of Drano; sure it’ll clean you out, but it’ll leave you hollow inside”

        I loved the Naked Gun movies.

        The Hot Shots movies were funny too.

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      It might offend some overly sensitive Israelis or Zionists but they are not representatives for all Jews.

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        I’m not sure you’ve met a real Israeli in your life if you genuinely think this would be offensive to them.

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          Are you Israeli? I ask because you only took the parts of my comment you wanted then got mad at me about it. Or maybe all Israelis are “overly sensitive”

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      The directors (Zucker brothers) are themselves Jewish. Any cancel culture reaction would as silly as the fake-controversy over Speedy Gonzalez, everyone in Mexico who heard about it were scratching their heads in puzzlement, how some white people who got hold of a bullhorn puffed themselves up like a peacock in heat virtuous “white savior who knows better than us” gatekeeping.

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    People have gotten less sensitive over time, we just don’t laugh at someone saying the n word or making light of sexual assault any more. I grew up on the dark web and the things people say/do nowadays blows even some of the worst stuff I seen there out of the water. Society is maturing, not regressing. Ignore the whingings of hack comedians who still think squinty Asian eyes and bad accents are the pinnacle of humor.

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      Blazing Saddles openly called out racism and made it the butt of almost all of its jokes. I think both it and Airplane could be made today, and would be received well. Why do you think differently?

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        Idk maybe the sheer number of racial slurs said by white characters. I don’t think that would fly in today’s political landscape.

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          You don’t think that openly mocking white people who use racial slurs would fly? How so?

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            I just think it would be idiotically cancelled for even having that kind of behavior in it in the first place.

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              Why do you think that would happen? Can you give me some examples of media making fun of racists and getting “canceled” as a result?

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        No they wouldn’t. That logic has not stopped one single, shitty remake and almost all of them have been worse than the originals. So bad we forget they even exist. Robocop, Mummy, Red Dawn, Total Recall come to mind… garbage. I think Road House, Twister, and Mr & Mrs Smith are getting remakes this year, and they don’t look good either.

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          None of those movies exist. You just made that up! And they definitely never did, and never would remake Point Break. It would be futile and pointless to try to remake such masterpieces of their eras, whose stories really only work in the period they were created.

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      Blazing Saddles would be called dated and “done before.”

      It was originally made as a way to laugh at Westerns, which, up to that point, had dominated the market. A lot of the tropes and plot lines the movie rips on are explicitly there because they were usually in these “safe” Westerns.

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        Mel Brooks sort of put the fork in Westerns. They were maybe dying anyway, but after Blazing Saddles they had to change pretty significantly.

        He also got everyone to laugh at all the little polite racist themes that were super common in Westerns. He hung a pretty big lamp on that stuff. You couldn’t do it again, because we’d all just laughed at how stupid it was.

        As for people who say it’s too offensive for today’s audience, idk that they ever realized they were being laughed at, not with.

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      They absolutely could. If Dave Chappelle can do 5 hours of shitting on trans people, a Jewish writer can write a scene where a plane is wearing a tallit with a beard.

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      They made a CGI Blazing Saddles for kids not that long ago, Mel Brooks was involved too. Paws of Fury (2022) starring Michael Cera and Ricky Gervais. I watched it out of curiosity, it was pretty mid but for a kids movie it wasn’t that bad.