• zerodown@lemmy.world
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    I did IT for a school district and staying on top of proxies was a game of whack a mole. I’d do it because I was asked too, but kids will find a new proxy that works. And the little bastards are more clever than we give them credit for.

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      Yeah you’re asking a handful of people who split their time across multiple duties to play cat and mouse with hundreds of teens who have copious free time they can dedicate to finding new proxies.

      Not to mention, all it takes is one advanced student setting up their own proxies on something like a free tier oracle cloud VPS and you’re never going to win.

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        Me when i figured out I can just run an exe from a zip and casually plays Minecraft. Then sets up a socks 5 proxy using danted on guess what, a free Oracle server.

        Was quite tempting to live boot an ubuntu but then I’d have to reset the cmos.

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          When I was in highschool the security was so poor that I was able to create a Visual Basic program that just moved the file with the system security information info another folder. I’d receive a system error that I can’t move the file, but the file would still move. Then I’d reboot into default security settings with nothing locked out. At the end of class I’d just move the file back and reboot again to restore the system.

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      I remember when I was in high school many many moons ago, my buddy set up a proxy through his own server. (This dude was a genius for a high schooler, he was MSCE+Security certified before graduating).

      We thought we were hot shit. We used it for a few weeks. Then one day we got called into a meeting with the district’s IT department. Turns out they knew we were using it all along, but didn’t care because we were mostly using it to browse gaming sites. But then this dipshit kid saw us using it, copied the URL without our knowledge, and used it to browse porn. So they had to shut us down and punished us. No network access for a month. (That kid lost computer access for the rest of the semester and failed a computer class he was taking. Serves him right.)

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      Some kids will find proxies. Definitely not enough that need things like the suicide prevention sites.

      It should not be on the kids to do it in the first place.

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        We handed out proxy addresses like candy to whoever needed it. We also handed out literal CDs with compressed game installations so we would have more noobs to stomp when we were done with our work.

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            In my day, you just used a website that had its own browser bar, so as long as they had the address for the proxy, they didn’t need to understand anything. I imagine things are more difficult these days, and it might not be so simple.

            It’s still ridiculous how much schools block, but my point was more that if the kids who do understand aren’t helping the kids who don’t, they’re not fulfilling their duty to their classmates. We saw school as all of us in it together, so despite being in the nerdy clique, we had friends outside of it because of our actions to spread the love and make things more tolerable for everyone.

            And to clarify again, fuck schools blocking all this shit. They shouldn’t need proxy’s to view suicide help sites or most sites for that matter, even “off topic” ones.

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      They have lots of time and motivation, as well as zero shits to give about getting caught. It’s Actually a pretty good thing that kids are trying to bypass security because it naturally teaches them problem solving in a novel way

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      And the little bastards are more clever than we give them credit for.

      I watched a really great documentary about the game Oregon Trail, and one of the first bug fixes they needed to add was preventing kids from putting in a negative number when purchasing things which resulted in an infinite money glitch. The developer was amused that the kids figured this out.

      I also learned that Prince was in the same middle school where the alpha version of the game was tested in 1972, which is pretty neat.

      Here’s the video if anyone’s interested

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    Survey data show how these inequities play out. The Center for Democracy and Technology asked teachers last year whether internet filtering and blocking can make it harder for students to complete assignments. Among teachers in schools with high rates of poverty, 62 percent said yes; among teachers in schools with lower rates, 50 percent said the same.

    So neither students nor teachesr like it?

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    This is what happens when the schools are so broke that instead of getting proper IT they have to get the cheapest blocker possible and then just dial up the blocking to 11.

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    They’ve been doing this since the 2000s. I remember having to set up a proxy server at home just so I could connect to it and actually browse the Internet at school without every third site being blocked for no reason.

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    Missouri wanted those sites blocked, and the kids who are now vulnerable to suicide are the kind those people don’t want living anyway.

    Fuck MISERY!

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    Same old same old. I remember back when some schools blocked Wikipedia article on Dick Chaney. Why the porn blocker would block any url with dick in it.

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    They also block adblockers (at least in my area). So I’m trying to find a good laptop for my sister to use next year.

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      In case it helps you, I’ve found that the uMatrix extension has been a great way to auto-block all Javascripts while still being able to permit just the ones needed to work past a site or network’s limitations.

      There’s a little bit of a learning curve at first, but nothing too bad. Using the extension also feels empowering, because it gives you much more control than just a flat ‘block everything’ anti-ad approach.

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        No the thing is, the school district in my area uses Chromebooks and they’re locked down to the point you can’t download extensions or use another browser.

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    I didn’t think I needed “protection” from anything on the Internet at all when I was a minor.

    My stance has not changed merely because I am no longer personally affected. I still think that it is completely stupid to want to keep any information at all from young people in the first place.