• MyOpinion@lemm.ee
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    These raw milk fools never learn. Raw milk has always been dangerous. Now even more dangerous. Avoid raw milk.

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        Kinda, it’s regulated because it can be so unsafe and even then you are kinda risking a bad time drinking raw milk. There is a reason we pasturise it.

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          Well, that’s the point of regulations - to make food good and safe.

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            Yeah I understand but the regulations are basically to protect people from being exposed to it. So it’s still unsafe but because it’s so regulated you have to find sources for it and those sources have to prove they don’t have sick cows to sell you raw milk I assume a lot of not safe milk gets through so I would argue that it isn’t safe to drink raw milk ever no matter what unless you are a baby cow and even them it still might kill you… they banned it in Scotland since its dangerous and you can’t buy it in any markets anywhere in the uk

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              That logic can be applied to literally everything. You can’t just sell random shit and say it’s food. Not sure why you’re arguing. The point is that raw milk is safe, food in the US is not.

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    The California-based Raw Milk Institute called the warnings “clearly fearmongering.” The institute’s founder, Mark McAfee, told the Los Angeles Times this weekend that his customers are, in fact, specifically requesting raw milk from H5N1-infected cows. According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen.

    By all means, drink up, morons, get the hell out of our gene pool, we’ve got enough troubles without your Dimwit DNA.

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      I know there are also conspiracy theories around pasteurization. Supposedly it doesn’t work and you don’t need it. Oh and viruses are a hoax. Or at least that’s what my very self educated husband of my cousin believes.

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        Can we just call this what it is as likely troll farm activity to sow discord in western society. I’m tired of it now being called out.

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        “Viruses are a hoax” seems to have been growing ever since COVID. I never encountered it before that, now I’ve encountered it multiple times. There was a guy in the skeptic sub on Reddit who came in to argue like mad that viruses didn’t exist.

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            People were lined up around street corners to get the polio vaccine when it came out because they all knew just how horrible polio was.

            And now that we’ve had decades of basically no polio because of the vaccine, people think vaccines aren’t needed, are dangerous, and that diseases are a hoax.

            Education is critical.

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              I do work for a bunch of pharmaceutical companies and developing nation health outreach type organizations. (Don’t ask me much technical, I’m not personally on the medical side.) But I can tell you that most major pharmas, Health NGOs and Government drug safety regulatory bodies are keenly aware that “Vaccines are a victim of their own success.” They have multiple approaches to dealing with the problem that a successful vaccine campaign makes the need for the vaccines socially invisible. There are varying degrees of success, but not a lot of generalized and reliable ways to combat this kind of cognitive disconnect.

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          The spectrum of human thought is astounding some times.

          On the one hand you have people adamant that viruses don’t even exist against all rational thought, reason, the almost daily experience of their existence, and over a hundred years of scientific research around the world learning more about them in detail and cataloguing at least 15,000 distinct species.

          While simultaneously you have people who know so much that they can manipulate viruses into becoming our own little machines to deliver working copies of genes straight into particular types of cells in someone’s body and treat their deadly genetic illness with gene therapy.

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      I always find it interesting that Americans are scared of raw foods. No raw milk, no carpaccio or tartare, raw pork is a no-no and raw seafood is an instant death. Really tells you that the food quality in the US is very low.

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          It is extremely rare in the UK https://parasitesandvectors.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13071-017-2280-8

          You’re more likely to get poisoning from cooked rice. If cooked rice is ok, raw pork is more than ok.

          You should also know one thing about food in the UK - if some infection is found in the food chain, Brits tend to obliterate the whole animal stock to stop it. A lot of diseases don’t exist in the UK because Brits annihilated whole animal populations. Like tick bourne encephalitis, for example. Or rabies. Or when whole chicken farms are burned to the ground when one bird gets avian flu. We take this shit real serious.

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    You know I used to think that would be great for all of these idiots to catch and die from whatever plagues they damn well like. But then I remembered that there are children in the world, And then also immuno-compromised people. Innocent people don’t deserve to be the victims of mass stupidity, especially children. If you’re stupid enough to do something terminal or life ruining, fine, just make sure that it doesn’t impact anyone else. Go destroy yourself in private.

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    If we all have to endure another pandemic that will further worsen our overall health… we really do live in the dumbest timeline.

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      I think I may have long COVID or something… I got COVID in November, recovered, then caught a cold in January and have been sick since. I just want to be healthy. Why do the stupidest among us have to fuck everything up?

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      Probably how the raw milk sinkers think of themselves too. Super-powered, misunderstood, fighting an oppressive government, actually the hero.

      The reality? Bit-character, backwater hicks.

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    It’s all milky fun and games with a side of creamy fat until someone gets a case of brucellosis.

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      I’m kinda ashamed of this, but I used to prefer the raw milk from a local dairy farm because it comes with all the fat and cream(you have to shake it before drinking) and it tasted soo freaking good. They vaccinate their cows and only have about 8 of them.
      However, I will not be buying that anymore and go back to buying pasteurized all the time. The taste isn’t worth risking h5n1. I know it’s a pretty stupid thing to do since other illnesses can happen from raw milk, but I guess it’s better late than never to stop doing that

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        Dude, you were taking a calculated risk before, and the calculations have changed. Good on you for adapting to this very real threat to our collective well-being.

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          Thanks for saying this, I hadn’t thought about it that way. I still feel foolish for taking any risk in the first place, but h5n1 is just messed up levels of scary.

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        Yeah you can totally get unhomogenized milk that is pasteurized. They sell one brand at my local grocery store. Look for some in your area.

        Edit: they would refer to it as cream top most likely.

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          Thank you! I didn’t know that was available as a product and will keep my eye out for it. Probably just as good too

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        As Melisdrawing made clear, never feel bad about using new information to make a better decision.

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          Thank you, I still feel a kinda dumb, but a little less so now. I appreciate the quote and will be saving it for use in the future

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        Milk is gross. You are an adult human not a baby cow. What a great time to break a weird habit.

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    Can we just skip to producing a vaccine for this now? If they’re that intent on giving it every possible chance to jump to humans, and we obviously can’t stop them, let’s at least try to contain it before we get Pandemic 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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      We have made H5N1 avian flu vaccines many times before. We have one developed as recently as 2020 that’s been approved by the FDA for use in humans, not sure how great it is against the current incarnation though. Flu is quite good at evading vaccines, hence the need for frequent updates.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_vaccine

      The US government funds vaccine development for viruses that might become a problem at some point. There’s also work into expanding rna vaccine technology, which can allow for very quick updates as viruses change. We need way more work and funding on pandemic prep and surveillance. We’ve all seen how devestating a global pandemic can be. Even if the vast majority developed never end up needing use, one of them may save millions of lives.

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-makers-are-preparing-for-bird-flu/

      Anyways, if an H5N1 pandemic started tomorrow, there’s a vaccine that would probably be helpful already made. Would need to be scaled up massively in production of course though.