• lad@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    6 months ago

    I’ll just remind that not every yacht costs millions, there are those that cost less than a 2016 Harley Davidson. Don’t know what kind of yacht was sunk this time, but I guess it wasn’t a big one

    Also, orcas are pissed off because of fishermen, plus fishermen now play loud music to piss them even more ward them off. I’m totally on the orcas side, but would prefer if those loud fisherboats were damaged instead

    • halendos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 months ago

      Yeah, they are damaging mostly sailboats, not those millionaire party yachts you imagine. Boats from families and people who just want to sail and chill on the ocean, literally the least environmental damaging boats there are.

        • halendos@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          6 months ago

          So I have a 35ft sailboat (or yacht) that I paid less than 10k euros for, and I sail it with my family on the weekends near places where orcas sometimes roam, tell me how I am a millionaire again? Or how its “justice” if they someday sink my boat? Because these are the ones they are attacking. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all against those sea monstrosities from the ultra rich, but cheering for the orcas is not the way. Someday they will get someone killed, and they will probably be hunted down until they stop being a threat.

          • ameancow@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            6 months ago

            The people to attack in this mess are the fishing boats and the other yachts that are actually impacting the habits and habitats of the whales, the very last thing we want to do here is gnash and hate on each other.

            Unless you hate the whales and everything they represent, in which case the door is over there. Our silly boaty time fun is recreation, our recreation is not more important than other sapient life on this fucking planet.

          • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            we simply have to acheive communications with the orcas and explain to them that though they can attack and disable your small vessel, they should instead attack the larger vessels that are doing harm to them.

            to which, they’ll reply, eeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOwwwwwwwEEEEEwwwwwwwwwooooooooOOOoOOOOoo

            which is orca for, “Bitch, I can’t eat metal.”

            I kid, but you know, it’s real.

            • Nelots@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              6 months ago

              Great job completely avoiding everything they said!

              • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                6 months ago

                Yeah but they ain’t exactly wrong. If I had a sailboat I’d avoid the areas orca’s were attacking actively and uh, reconsider things.

                My dude/ette, marine mammals that are really intelligent are organizing and orchestrating attacks on human built vessels, this is “WHITE WHALE HOLY GRAIL” intensity shit.

                I think the ocean is cooking and we’re seeing all the wildlife go bonkers.

        • ebc@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          It’s more of a “thousandaire” thing honestly

    • ebc@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      I just stumbled upon the article, and apparently it was this one. From a quick glance at the listing, I’d say this particular one is a ~$400k-$700k boat.

      EDIT: I was wrong, it’s more like $200k-$300k

      • lad@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        Thanks, that’s more expensive than I thought :)

        People who were on the yacht at the time may have gotten it for around €3300, as it was available to rent

        Edit: lol, I’ve linked the same article you mentioned, because I didn’t check the other link

    • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      Yea it’s pretty dumb how many people assume that, when all the videos I’ve seen are of typical-sized sailboats with fiberglass hulls. If people stopped to think for a second, they’d realize it’d be a lot harder to sink steel-hulled large luxury motor yachts / super yachts like billionaires & mega millionaires have

    • dingus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      I had no idea about the yacht price. Do you have an example listing? Because if it’s something as small and as cheap as you say then I have a hard time classifying a little boat with a motor as a yacht.

      Wikipedia indicates that while not a standard definition, a yacht is generally classified as me having an overnight sleeping cabin and is at least 10 meters/33 feet long. I can’t imagine something like that being as cheap as you describe, even if it’s not a multi million dollar vessel.

      • ebc@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        6 months ago

        Going from this random 2016 Harley for ~$18k, there are a lot of good boats that are cheaper and would qualify as a yacht per your definition (sleeping cabin, 33+ feet)

        Overall, there are ~3 price ranges for used sailboats: Under $10k, you’ll have small-ish boats (under 27 ft) in pretty good condition or medium-ish boats (25-35 ft) that need a little work. Around $50k you’ll get older (1980’s), medium-large boats (35-45ft) in good condition, or smaller ones in very good condition. And at $100k-$200k you’ll get much newer medium-large boats (2005+).

        For reference, my first sailboat cost me $2k.

      • enbyecho@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        6 months ago

        I can’t imagine something like that being as cheap as you describe, even if it’s not a multi million dollar vessel.

        To add to some of the excellent answers: There is a whole category of folks who do van life, but it’s sailboat life. They live on the boat full time and go extremely low-budget – few of them are wealthy at all. People get hung up on “yacht” and all the baggage that word brings. Many purchased a boat in lieu of a van or a house. So even if you spent $100k it’s a cheaper life than on land in most cases.

        Examples of low budget sailors you can check out:

        Sam Holmes - I don’t know what he paid for his current boat but he’s super frugal. I’d be shocked if he paid more than $15k and it was probably a LOT less, knowing him. While back in the US he was sailing a boat (Bayfield 29) he got for free.

        Sailing Uma - While this couple are now doing much better financially (thanks to their Youtube content) they originally paid $3k for their boat, put as I recall about another $3-5k into it and have been sailing ever since, including across the Atlantic and up to Svalbard, Norway, Iceland, etc.

        Wind Hippie Sailing - Holly, who is pretty damned poor, sails a Grinde 27 which was a real fixer upper when she bought it. Not sure of the price but probably under $20k.

        There are of course a ton of sailers out there who are not visible. I know of a couple of people who got their boat for free and have sailed at least from the US West coast to Hawaii or around the Carribean living on practically nothing.

      • lad@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        6 months ago

        To add to the excellent answer by @ebc@lemmy.ca, sailboats don’t require a motor, you may as well maneuver tight spots with a paddle and use sails on (relatively) open water

          • ebc@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            6 months ago

            Sailboats like this are routinely called “yacht”. Yacht is a very non descriptive term for boats that just means a pleasure boat. A lot of very different boats fit that description.

          • Vandals_handle@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            6 months ago

            Yacht is a boat, sail or power, that has a cabin for sleeping. Large size is not a prerequisite. Some boats as small as 17 ft meet this definition.

          • lad@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            Define yacht then

            Edit: oh, it seems, the American English strikes again

            As per UK definition I’m accustomed to, a yacht is:

            a boat with sails and sometimes an engine, used for either racing or travelling on for pleasure

            While the US definition is:

            a large and usually expensive boat, used for racing or for traveling around for pleasure

            Although this, too, doesn’t rule out a yacht not necessarily being expensive, and don’t really say what’s large in actual size

  • DrElementary@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    31
    ·
    6 months ago

    Is anyone else bothered by the addition of the word “just”, which throws off the whole rhythm and doesn’t need to be there in any way?

  • GrymEdm@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    6 months ago

    Orcas have been such bros to humanity (no wild orcas have ever been recorded intentionally attacking humans) that if they’re hitting boats I’m starting with the assumption that it’s the humans fucking up. There’s a lot more history of humans being cruel/stupid to wildlife than there is of orcas doing the same to us.

    Orcas have rarely injured and in one case killed their trainers when held captive, but that’s essentially them fighting being held hostage. “No one is sure what causes the animals to react in this way, but boredom, frustration and ill health, both physical and mental, have all been implicated,” says Rob. “These incidents have resulted in serious injuries to trainers and, in one case at least, proved to be fatal.”

  • lunarul@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    6 months ago

    Fun fact: orcas are not whales. The name “killer whale” is a reversal of their previous name, “whale killers”. They’re just mean dolphins.

    • slurpinderpin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      Aren’t they going after sailboats? These aren’t like mega-yachts owned by Bezos. It’s like someone’s entire life savings, retirement plan

  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    6 months ago

    I want to believe that orcas absolutely would belt out singer/songwriter hits from the 1990s if they could.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    So you make enough money to purchase a luxury boat? Well do I have THE vacation destination for you!

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      These have mostly been small sailing vessels, and in some cases the family home. We’re not talking about the 1% here.