President Joe Biden could make a decision within days whether to remain a candidate for reelection, said Hawaii’s governor who participated in a recent meeting with Biden and other Democratic governors and whose family has known the president for years.
And if Biden decides not to run, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told The Associated Press on Saturday that he believes the president will designate Vice President Kamala Harris to replace him on the ticket.
Green, who was a physician on Hawaii’s Big Island before he was elected governor, said everyone has parents or grandparents who have moments that aren’t that great or pauses in their ability to express themselves clearly. But, he added, they aren’t discarded because of their experience, wisdom and their role in the family.
Green was quick to point out that Trump is only three years younger than Biden and both will have bad days going forward. But he argued that temperament is more important than age.
“For God’s sake, these two guys have to hold the nuclear codes,” Green said. “I don’t want someone who tweets in the middle of the night and rages at other countries. That is not good. That’s not the problem we have with President Biden.”
And if Biden decides not to run, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told The Associated Press on Saturday that he believes the president will designate Vice President Kamala Harris to replace him on the ticket.
If that happens, prepare to see the narrative of certain people switch from “no one should vote for Genocide Joe” to “no one should vote for pro-cop Harris.” Anything but tell people to stop the dictator from gaining power.
Edit: Wow, that didn’t take long.
This effectively changes nothing for me, I’m no fan of Harris or Biden, but they ain’t fascists
You are not the problem. Some people can’t decide between Joe, and the party that wants to end democracy in this country.
Some people are upset that in the face of fascism, this is the best the American ‘left’ can do. They claim the entire country is on the line, but I haven’t seen them act like it. I’ve seen them say we need to vote for Biden, because abortion!! Roe V Wade was undone under his leadership and he has done nothing about it. He adopted extremist conservative border policy. The Supreme Court decision everybody is clamoring about happened while he was in the big chair. So why does he deserve my vote? Why would voting for him change anything when some of the most consequential and damaging legislation of the 2000s has happened under him?
The Republicans really got just what they wanted out of people like you with what they did in Congress with the border. There is a legit crisis down there now. And there was an agreed-to, bipartisan border bill ready to go, and at the last moment Trump said to tank it because it will reflect well on the Democrats. So they tanked it, leaving Biden’s executive branch with very limited options to do anything. So he is doing one of the crappy few things he can do, and people like you just pin it to Biden, which is just what Trump and the GOP hoped for.
Not just in this country.
Exactly, but that doesn’t seem to be an argument they care about.
All I ask of people is vote for anything but trump. A sack of potato chips is better.
Not good enough. You have to vote for the person most likely to beat him. It’s a numbers game.
Wrong. A vote for Stein, or RFK, or West is still effectively a vote for Trump.
We don’t have to prepare for it, it’s already happening, at least on Lemmy.
have y’all ever been racially profiled while driving, got pulled over, and had your stuff thrown in the mud?
since it was a terry stop the judge considered 100% on board even with video proof
prosecutor as president is the last thing this country needs
Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
With a four month campaign runway, no less. I’ve been asking that since the debate. Calling for him to step aside without a better candidate is just reactionary sensationalism. Show me credible and sizable polls that take Trump by a landslide and I’ll be calling for him to step aside too. Until then, this intermittently confused old man did a lot better with his four years than Trump.
Most people just don’t know that much about Kamala, she’s fairly new to politics and hasn’t been in the limelight very often.
Usually just a small handful of speeches and interviews, maybe. She’s largely an unknown though. A Presidential race would change that quickly, though its hard to predict exactly how.
Notably, the right has used her largely unknown status to smear her for years now, not too different from how they got an early start smearing Hilary.
That’s my point. Four months is not enough time to get through all of the mud-slinging and come out with a clear impression of a candidate. The candidate and their policies would have to already be well known by US citizens to ensure a win in that time. She’d have a much better chance campaigning in 2028 with a longer runway.
Just FYI, ye crazy Americans, in other parts of the world four months is longer than the entire campaign season.
Four months is more than enough time to familiarize yourself to the electorate.
I’m not sure I agree, I think 4 months is enough time. It would hinge on her though, and how effectively she can be genuine and communicate.
Agree, and the media jumped on this bandwagon, because he is promising to tax the rich.
This was something that they did not expect of centrist Joe to do.
He’s taxing corporations and reducing wealth for their shareholders too.
Increasing the corporate minimum tax rate to 21% to align with the global minimum tax rate. Implementing a Billionaire Minimum Tax of 25% on the wealthiest taxpayers to ensure the top 0.01 percent pay taxes on their income as they go, just like everyone who earns a paycheck.
Raising the tax rate on corporate stock buybacks from 1% to 4% to reduce the differential tax treatment between buybacks and dividends and encourage businesses to reinvest profits in their workers and in the company’s growth.
Denying corporate tax deductions for employee compensation in excess of $1 million paid to any employee by both publicly and privately owned C corporations.
Whitmer, Whitehouse, Buttigieg - those are all better options than Harris. Sanders is unlikely to be accepted but would definitely do it if asked.
What makes you think any of them want to run for president when they didn’t even take part in the primaries?
Also, why do you assume Sanders would do it when asked? He’s 82. He’s a lot sharper than Biden, but he’s still 82. His energy is going to be limited. I would be very surprised if he even sought re-election to the Senate at this point. He probably wants to spend his last years with his grandkids in Vermont (or wherever they live), not arguing with people in D.C. And I’d say he deserves that happy end to his life rather than spend what may be his last four years dealing with a bunch of hostile bullshit.
I assume Sanders would because he’s willing to do another term as a Senator and he’s, philosophically, a public servant.
There is absolutely no reason to assume an 82-year-old man would be willing to be president. It is a lot more work than Senator. And I personally think he deserves to say no if he doesn’t want to. It sort of sounds like you don’t.
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great question that do not have an answer to
but there are people in worst shoes than mine and a lot of them
not sure they are going to jump as easily on the Prosecutor Harris train given her political background
A Black woman with a prosecutorial history is nowhere near as dangerous as the orange asshole is.
I think you overestimate how damaging that would be for her chances.
I would say that there are much safer choices though.
If you don’t have an answer to stopping Trump and other people do but you’re telling them not to do it, thanks for proving my point.
I think beyond a few very liberals (like myself), a law and order message will do well with voters. Even Oregon recently voted for stricter drug laws. What makes you think such a message won’t do well nationally?
trump runs on a law and order message.
frankly law and order is a bad authoritarian sounding phrase. law and justice is much more platable and less harsh.
exactly what afraid of
Definitely not Kamala fucking Harris, the most hated VP in decades. That would be guaranteeing a loss.
Definitely not Kamala fucking Harris, the most hated VP in decades.
Say what, now? All this tells me is you’re too young to remember Dick Cheney, or the other guy who failed the spelling bee. (In fairness, though, Quayle wasn’t so much hated as he was ignored, like your little brother.)
Really? The most hated in decades? The only good thing I can say about Pence is that he finally decided to speak against Trump after the insurrection.
He’s such a piece of Christian Nationalist trash he attracts flies.
Fine. Then who? Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
Oh come on. I’m not a huge fan of Harris either, but Dick Cheney is right there.
Worse than a literal fascist?
…. it’s not an excuse to let a facist win?
yeah we gotta go talk show host or game show host, much smarter, very big brain.
I’d prefer that if we’re swapping candidates we don’t swap to yet another deeply damaged one who might also lose the election.
Yup. Not only that, but the attacks from the GOP and media won’t stop. They will simply change from “Biden is too old” to racist garbage like “Harris might be our first DEI president” (That’s an actual headline from the NY Post, which I refuse to link to).
No matter what happens, Democrats will need thick skin.
I’m not worried about Republicans. I’m worried about the people below who have already decided “don’t vote for Harris” before she’s even nominated. No candidate will be good enough for them because no candidate could ever pass the purity test. It could be a Bernie Sanders/AOC ticket and they’d find a reason to say you shouldn’t vote for them.
She’s also not a white male, so I fully expect them to go all out saying that execrable shit out loud.
They were so mad about a black man as president that a black woman will just bring out the misogynistic element along with the racism. It’s nothing new. Ask your local republican how they feel about Whoopi Goldberg for practice.
I am not pro-Biden, but I’d vote for Harris. I think she’s a stronger candidate.
She’s a marginally better candidate if he endorses her enthusiastically. She’s deeply flawed and unpopular but if Biden gives her credit for everything he accomplished she’d be trading “absolutely ancient” for “former uncharismatic prosecutor”.
There are much better choices.
I agree that there are much better choices. Alas, Democrats are right of center and punch left.
there are much better choices.
the problem is that none of them decided to primary the incumbent successful democratic party president.
so it’s biden at the top of the ticket. if you didn’t want biden to be the 2024 candidate, you should have worked harder to get another democrat nominated in 2020.
Yeah, and they’ve not won since Carter.
If Joe Biden drops out the orange felon will definitely win, says the guy who has an impeccable track record using an amazing methodology that he developed from earth quake prediction.
Pushing Kamala is one way I see to guarantee a loss. People don’t like Joe, but people fucking HATE Kamala. We would be so fucked if she was the ticket
The other way would be to bring back Clinton.
Well personally, I don’t want an openly fascist raving lunatic to be US president, but that’s just me, of course.
That sounds more like Trump than Biden. The trouble is Trump is probably what we’ll get if Biden doesn’t suck it up and drop out of the race.
Of course I meant Trump. How can that not be blindingly obvious?
It’s impossible to tell without knowing whether you’re taking to a Trump cultist.
Poe’s Law
It’s just sort of a non sequitur if it’s about Trump - this is an article about picking a candidate to maximize Dem chances of beating Trump, neither side of the argument on who that should be wants Trump.
he’s already decided.
he decided a week ago.
you backhandedly calling for him to drop out only fuels the bullshit media narrative that’s not focused on trump’s myriad of seriously disqualifying incidents OR project 2025.
I’d rather have the media talk about Biden than give Trump EVEN MORE attention. The psychology of advertising has shown that the cliche “All publicity is good publicity” is literally true on a population scale of at least a few thousand. Discussing Biden on the news cycle, positively or negatively, makes him more likely to win more votes. That’s why he will not and should not drop out now.
To be clear: I wish he had stepped aside for a different democratic candidate in 2020. But since then, I don’t believe there was ever a good time to shift attention to a replacement who would be popular enough to beat Trump.
I don’t understand this. Biden already said he didn’t plan to drop out.
That’s exactly what I would expect him to say, until he drops out, at which point I would expect him to say that it was his plan all along.
He’s stated that publically, yes. But who knows what’s being said behind closed doors.
Maybe I’m extremely cynical, but unless it was like Bernie Sanders (which we all know they wouldn’t allow to replace Biden) I don’t think it will matter much if he leaves or stays.
If he leaves, Trump will win, enact project 2025, jail political opponents, then murder them, then other massacres and mass imprisonment will occur amongst “unamericans.”
If he stays, Trump is less likely to win, but the Nazis didn’t take over Germany peacefully. For all the lethal defense systems the White House has, it doesn’t matter against sheer numbers of stupid people. The only way this works is if a significant majority of Americans say no to trump, and and oppose a coup. This won’t happen.
I think if you live in a state that will be directly impacted by project 2025 (most states, some northern ones have no shale oil and have no immediate plans) shits gonna get real shitty real quickly.
I also think this will become an era of true fuck around and find out. The blue states can refuse to fund the U.S. government. Good luck getting the military to do anything if they don’t get paid.
He could also decide to drop out after the convention, which would bypass a lot of concerns about power struggles and in-fighting.
Yea, that’d be fucking atrocious.
https://piped.video/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8
(or for those who prefer … https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8 )
the trump legal team has a plan for that. they are going to sue (the swing) states that do not list biden as the democratic nominee. granted they probably won’t win, but the real point of the suits is to tie all of this up in court past the point where states certify elections throwing the election to the house where the president is voted on by state delegation, not house members and there are more majority republican state delegations than there would be republicans in the house (i’m predicting that the dems win back the house if only by states having redrawn maps. remember: the house that would convene to actually count the ec votes is sworn in on january 2, meaning this house wouldn’t vote on it) and trump gets elected again.
as bad as another four years of Biden or Trump would be could you imagine four years of Harris
extra police funding
more restrictive laws
backtracking on current progress such as cannabis
more people locked up
only difference is she would be younger and more in her mind to do so
Under Trump:
Never being able to vote again.
Martial law instituted across the country denying people of their First Amendment rights.
The abandonment of our allies.
Loss of the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency
Political assassinations across the board to insure those of the fascist party remain in power.
Loss of civil rights for those not white and rich
End of various government services designed to keep us safe from contaminated food, water, and air
End of various government services for Healthcare, social safety nets, veterans services.
Extra police funding and broad immunity for police violence
Far more restrictive laws
Backtracking of current progress such as cannabis, marriage equality, interracial marriage
Way way more people locked up because republican programs are hated across the board
Massive tax cuts for billionaires and the middle class finally being broken so we slide into a pseudo feudal system
Unions being outlawed because fascists love that shit.
Anyone of a skin color not the shade of pale parchment being rounded up, thrown in camps, or deported.
End of birthright citizens so you as well get to enjoy the concentration camps until they kill you or deport you (eventually they get to outright killing because they are Nazis. It’s what they do)
Did I mention not being able to vote, protest, or voice your opinions without being shot, poisoned, or assassinated?
Yes, but what about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good?!
What about not compromising so fucking early. There are other establishment candidates that’d be much stronger.
Which ones and do they want to run?
Buttigieg and Whitmer seem to have wide party support.
Are they willing to run? Because otherwise it doesn’t matter. And I have seen no indication that they are.
Also, Buttigieg used to work for McKinsey and they are fucking evil. I’d rather have either Harris or Biden than that.
As a historic non-D voter who is switching this election, I would enthusiastically take Joe over Buttigieg, considering I’m from a neighboring town to his former mayorship. Pete was very unpopular in South Bend and he’s been very unpopular as Secretary of Transportation. Dude sucks and I actually think senile Biden is a better option.
Trump is a piece of human waste. That he is the top candidate of the GOP says a lot about the abysmal condition America is in.
Did she ever say that? Anyhow, MAGAts would be so delightfully infuriated.
you know that for a fact, or are you just projecting?
prosecutors are charged with proving the city or state or federal government’s case against someone who has been charged with breaking the law. if congress doesn’t provide extra police funding, doesn’t pass more restrictive laws, doesn’t backtrack on current policy, and doesn’t lock more people up for non violent crimes guess what? she’s not going to do that either. i don’t see her going the unitary executive that a republican congress would allow a republican president to be because it sounds like she actually respects the rule of law and separation of powers.
