So she was transferred to a men’s facility from a women’s, denied any opportunity to appeal, and thrown in solitary for not going willingly. I wonder, are they going to keep her in solitary for the rest of her imprisonment, or are they going to release her and put a woman in with the men at the prison? Either seems like a completely fucked up option.
Suffering is the point…
Maybe in the US. Civilized nations treat their prisoners with decency.
It’s Definitely not just a US thing, although the scale of incarceration in the US is immense. it’s just a handful of European countries that actually treat prisoners ok.
Yeah, lots of European nations also have to be more civil with their prisoners, doesn’t mean it’s okay that they aren’t.
Oh come on!
Do most countries have slavery written into their constitutions?
Care to elaborate?
The 14th amendment of the United States allows for slavery as a punishment.
13th
Rationally; she did break a rule. Logically; that should’ve seen her placed in the ‘Female Solitary Unit’; as she was already classified as female.
Unfortunately, the prison also made a large mistake, and she should not have been ‘transferred’ to a Men’s Facility.
She wasn’t placed in solitary for breaking the rule, that’s a fairly common rule to break. She was placed in solitary for resisting the transfer.
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Here’s an additional article with significantly more background information: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trans-rights-prison-amber-kim_n_6557ce06e4b0998d69a049d4
I might not be understanding something, but if she’s being placed in solitary, I’m not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she’s put into. My understanding is that you don’t get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender. I can’t imagine there’s too many gender-specific accommodations that are made in these situations.
She was put into solitary because she refused to be transferred.
Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.
This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men’s prison, trans or not. But then there’s another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks “just put her in solitary back in the women’s prison”, but then another part of me thinks “actually we shouldn’t have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place”. It’s just an awful situation from every angle.
We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don’t fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.
They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There’s no ambiguity here.
a murderer
Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It’s highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn’t excuse what she did, it just means she’s not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.
She was raping another prisoner. That’s why she being moved. There is no consensual sex in prison.
Solitary confinement is needed in some situations. This isn’t one of them. It is overused but should never be used as a punishment. It should be used to keep people safe.
It’s a blurb of an article and I don’t know the backstory to know what the right answer is.
To me it doesn’t matter if she murdered someone or not. The prison system is supposed to be dispassionate about the crime.
The sex was not officially allowed, but there absolutely could be consensual sex in prison. The reason they don’t allow it is because in many (but not all) cases it is coerced.
There is no consensual sex in prison.
Between guards and inmates. Inmates are on a level playing field and can have consensual sex. Unless of course you’re talking about legal technicalities in which case, the suffering is the point.
No inmates cannot have sex in prison with other inmates. It is prohibited.
So the suffering is the point. Got it.
Too much of a power dynamic. It causes to many issues in the facility for the staff and other inmates.
Typically it’s ignored in most cases but when it’s an issue they move inmates to other facilities.
It is prohibited.
Doing drugs is prohibited. Doing drugs isn’t rape.
Drugs have nothing to do with consent.
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This is really sad all around. Sex isn’t supposed to happen in prison, but it happens in men’s and women’s facilities. The fact that this person was only vilified and transferred to a men’s facility after someone at the DOC leaked the investigation documents and an article was run dead naming her and implying she was a predator is so wrong.
That’s not news, it’s just a common cruelty
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You guys are just
totally insane or incredibly stupidslightly misinformed if you’re spending any energy defending this monster. Perhaps go read up on what the person did.You’re also playing right into the hands of the people who are fighting against equal rights by doing this. Pick your fights better! There are decent trans people who need and deserve your support.
People can support both trans rights and prisoner rights.
Just because someone is a “monster” doesn’t mean that the Constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment does not apply to them.
She killed her abusive parents when she was 18. I wouldn’t condone that, but I also wouldn’t call her a monster. People in extreme circumstances do extreme things
If they were abusive, they had it coming.
The thing about fighting for human rights and ethical treatment is that it doesn’t change if the person receiving the treatment is someone you don’t like.
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