I don’t hate the Europeans for having fair working conditions. I hate the rich assholes that make my home country such a shitty place to live and work in.
It’s time to emulate the french and set the place on fire if they don’t start treating us fair.
Or you can start with unions…
And how do you think unions come about? Historically it’s by setting things on fire.
By actually talking to your coworkers about unionization, which is scarier for many of us than fantasies of an anonymous crowd.
It mostly depends whether unions are successful or not under the current administration. Unionizing has gone bad before. You can’t always blame the workers for not believing it would help, theres a lot of pressure from the other side.
We need Syndicates and Worker/Consumer cooperatives as an end goal. Unions aren’t the finish line and are only a bandaid over capital ownership.
why not both?
Or fires…
The protests and strikes they keep quashing are the alternative to fires, destruction, and violence. It’s a social agreement the factory and warehouse owners want us to have forgotten.
That means not enough fires
Ding.
Only for them to be destroyed in another 20 years by the rich
Nah. Break out the guillotines, it worked well for the French.
30 days paid vacation + bank holidays + regional holidays + 0.5 days of vacation each on Christmas and new years eve + generally not having to work on weekends + generally not having to work longer than 8 hours a day + public transport ticket paid by the company.
Cannot complain.
Cannot complain.
Spotted the German.
I’m going for UK, specifically Scotland.
I have: 14 fixed holidays. 31 vacation days. 35 hours workweek. Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).
Fight for it, and force your countries and employers to apply those conditions, because I assure you, they are good.
Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).
lol these are my regular hours (webdev in Germany with a 4-day work week)
I’m an American working in the u.s. for a company based in Germany. They have soooo many more days off than us. They’re out at least 3 months of the year before taking additional PTO. They like to bring their European values of work to the u s. But unfortunately that doesn’t mean that I get any more off time. I save all year from January to December and if I never took any of it my PTO amounts to 3 weeks. If you’re an American they have different standards for you because american work culture means getting fucked and hating your life lol.
That being said I still feel like the days I get are generous and I am happy and grateful. But that’s only because I used to get nothing at my old job. It’s only crappy if I compare to others which is the thief of joy and whatnot.
The magic word is: Unions. Without them, we would absolutely not have a minimum of 24 days per year by law. Get out there and unionize.
Unfortunately Unions get corrupted easy.
Why is that?
I might be based coming from Norway where we have a very well regulated system with unions on both sides of the table. But I don’t see our unions as something easily corruptable at all.
Because there arent proper checks and balances.
So just like the corporate world and the us government the shitbags get in power and do whatever the hell they want with little to no repercussions.
The teamsters just went through that for years with that shitbag Hoffa jr. He just let the companies do pratically whatever they wanted.
Then you got stewards and shit who dont wanna do anything.
I didnt know any union reps/stewards until I went to managment.
Basically they only care about collecting dues and increasing their numbers.
They union doesn’t ‘demand’ anything beyond paying dues from its members so you’ve got tons of people who really think they can act however they want.
Complete lack of any sort of rules of conduct and no work ethic.
That doesn’t sound like a union at all to me.
I work for a company based in the uk, and I get off around thanksgiving until the start of the year. I horde my pto though.
Your first sentence sounds like the Zeiss add on youtube that has been after me several times a day for months now
Lol, I have seen that too.
My wife got her first pay check last week at her new job in a US school district. I was certain something was wrong when it came in, but the pay stub did nothing to show the breakdown of hours, rate, etc. She finally got a response today - and I’ve learned that school breaks are NOT PTO. She gets zero PTO she can take during the school year, and while frustrating not to be able to choose when you take your time off, I assumed that was just because she gets the summer off. But apparently she gets no PTO AND takes 71 days out of the year off without pay, effectively. So they do you the favor of paying you over 12 months, but you still only get paid for hours worked. The rate of pay seemed like it would be a pay raise on the surface, but I never anticipated needing to dock it by 20%.
Zero PTO. Just the perks of American life.
Hourly wages for school teachers? I’m worried I might know the response, but does prep work outside school hours, in breaks etc. count as hours worked?
She’s not a teacher, shes in the library. But - she is allowed absolutely zero ot. She’s already had her time card adjusted on days that she worked early or late to match her scheduled hours. And they only pay her for 7 hours a day, but it’s an 8 hour work day and she hasn’t once had the time to take a hour for lunch.
What even IS the recourse when it’s not a comproration, but the government that is stealing your wages? 🤷 I think I’m more upset about it all than she is, because the quality of life is way higher than her last job. And so I’ll just keep it all to myself.
my wife is an educator, and she teaches summer classes to cover the gap.
4-6 weeks?!
We Indians have 12 paid leaves per year.
Yes. In Germany 30 are quite common. A fried of mine additionally changed some bonus for 5 extra days this isn’t the normal case but she has 35 days off
HR had some bug in their system and I got about two extra weeks (7 total) for a few years, but I didn’t complain about the bug.
Govt jobs in India have 30-40 days, which is 6-8 weeks. But the private sector will riot if you try mandating anything close to that.
I get 4 weeks, plus sick days, plus parental leave, various types of training days and charitable days, plus a 2 week carry-over and I’m neither American nor European.
Parental leave, sick days (unlimited), 10 national holidays, and 52 vacation days for me. And I am European. Edit. And two days telework a week.
American. I’m one of the lucky few who have unlimited PTO. I’m seriously underpaid though.
So how many days do you take a year? As the other comments also touch upon, it becomes an outperform thing with co- workers, to take the least amount to “perform better”. Also how easy and often do managers then deny requests?
With a fixed set it has an actual value, at the company they can’t deny PTO’s as they are yours. Of course planning comes into play a little bit, but if you let the company know that 2 months from now you take 4 weeks off for a good long summer holiday, that is what you will be doing then in those 2 months.
ps. I have 25 personal paid days, a bunch of public holidays. Doctor’s appointments are on the ‘please try to schedule them outside working hours if possible, otherwise, well, that’s life, you need to visit that doctor’. Full travel reimbursement (fixed amount per month, can spend however i want), A lot of secondary items in my contract as well dealing with having to take care of partner / children if they become sick (is paid time off), etc etc.
I do not take as much as I should. 5 weeks last year? For doctor’s appointments and stuff like that though, no one cares. You just let your boss and your team know. I am on salary, not contract.
I get 5 weeks.
In the US.
Thanks to a union.
And I get paid the hours on top of regular pay at the end of the year if I don’t use the vacation. Nobody gives you a second thought if you use your vacation. Zero pressure not to fuck off for a week or more.
Go Union.
Self-employed, and not very well. I don’t get any paid days off, unfortunately.
Well, that should be part of your hourly rate. I’m also self-employed and sick and personal days-off are factored in (with a large margin too, just in case!).
Yeah, I have no idea what I’m doing.
Well, you kind of implied that saying you don’t have days off… if you factor it in you certainly have, you just choose to not spend them.
I wasn’t being sarcastic, I literally have no idea what I’m doing.
I’m an American that had that, then we got bought by a German company that took it away. Shit’s fucked.
Wtf that goes against reason
No, why? That’s capitalism for you. It’s still a US company/subsidiary, just with a German owner.
Not only european Brazil have paid leave too, and others more democratic countries
Oh god, you don’t want to hear what the average American has to say about Brazil. Or really, any other country than America. Americans will do anything and everything to justify the totalitarianism they live under.
True, I mean the totalitarianism they live on is the first in the history where companies own the country, that’s why they got so mad when Brasil banned twitter, they can’t fathom a company getting punished for breaking the law
is the first in the history where companies own the country
Hum… You need to learn some history.
True, when I wrote I thought about that, but was too lazy to fix
The most prominent example that comes to my mind is Chiquita. Their history is as cruel as it is interesting and it always leaves a bad taste seeing their bananas in my supermarket. Easily one of the most evil companies ever.
35 days hols per year, would be 27 or something but they give us the English bank holidays as part of our allocation (am Scottish but it’s UK company).
28 days + 8 Bank Holidays. Easter is great, you can have 16 days not at work, and only use 8 days holiday. (Good Friday and Easter Monday are Bank holidays, and I don’t work weekends)
