• My Password Is 1234@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    The tipping system in America is so broken… It’s no more than “we don’t pay our employees, feel bad for it”.

    Employees, on the other hand, should be upset at their employer for such practices, not at every customer who doesn’t tip.

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      Restaurants that switch away from tips frequently switch back. There was a big push about 10 years ago, and most have closed or switched back.

      Customers, as a whole, just see menu prices go up and go someplace else; the customers who actually understand the trade-off are too few for that model to work most of the time. Additionally, the best staff jump ship to restaurants where they can maintain their income.

      Fine dining is really the only place you can get away with it regularly. The employers didn’t really have a choice if they want to stay open. The system is what it is, every customer who doesn’t tip is giving themselves a discount at the expense of the staff which is a reasonable thing to be upset about. The only way to change the system is through regulatory legislation.

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    The system would be fair if it was both positive and negative tips. Then at least I would consider tipping. It’s a but rude otherwise.

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      4 days ago

      Even for pick up when you’re not a regular?

      Good on ya!

      (I’m a firm 20% when I’m sitting down but I decline to tip when picking something up at least half the time. Definitely tipped 2020-2 though.)

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        at the restaurant i work at, we pool tips, and just cause you aren’t eating in doesn’t mean us in the kitchen worked any less hard on it. in fact, it’s more work for me to do to-go orders, but folks seldom tip on them. it is very frustrating to me. had somebody place a $1200 order a couple weeks back, and even split 5 ways, a 15% tip on that order alone would’ve made it a good day, but i don’t think they tipped a single cent.

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          Look at your boss and be angry, not the customers. You should not be in a tipped position as a cook.

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            nobody should be in a tipped position as anything, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t tip when you know people depend on it to put food on their own table. if i can’t afford to tip, i don’t eat out. simple as.

            i can hate my boss, and the whole system he’s a symptom of, and be disappointed at the customers for not showing a bit of solidarity, don’t worry.

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          It makes me feel a little better that all of them here in California are making at least minimum (as opposed to the sketchy “tipped minimum“). Buttttt minimum usually sucks (maybe $20’s OK living with parents?), so 10% is great man.

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        Haha, yeah I do it out of fear of restaurant workers and you all should too if you know what’s good for you! Like, they literally have time alone with the food you’re going to eat!

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          The vast majority of food service workers won’t mess with your food because they’re decent people who are used to the abuse and slander (or libel in this case) that customers throw at them. There are other food service workers who won’t do it because they care about food safety. There are still others who won’t mess with your food because they’ll be fired if they’re caught doing it. These three groups will talk shit about you if they think you’re out of earshot.

          Then there are the rare cases where the person is too vindictive and too short-sighted and might mess with your food (but will likely be caught by someone who will fix or remake it before it gets to you). These people never last long in the industry as the rest of us hate them more than customers and will drive them out.

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          🙂

          I remember the general attitude of folks who’d post on reddit claiming to be food service workers was very upset that people joked about them messing with food. So I hope that means it’s exceedingly rare.

          I think they said they would bad mouth people out of earshot or something though!

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            The vast majority of food service workers won’t mess with your food because they’re decent people who are used to the abuse and slander that customers throw at them. There are other food service workers who won’t do it because they care about food safety. There are still others who won’t mess with your food because they’ll be fired if they’re caught doing it. These three groups will talk shit about you if they think you’re out of earshot.

            Then there are the rare cases where the person is too vindictive and too short-sighted and might mess with your food (but will likely be caught by someone who will fix or remake it before it gets to you). These people never last long in the industry as the rest of us hate them more than customers and will drive them out.

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    3 days ago

    pressuring me THAT HARD to give you free money when i already bought your stuff is a sure way to make me cancel the purchase and never return.

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    Press “no tip” and sue them for hearing damage…

    Seriously though, as a non American I only tip when the service or food was exceptionally good for the given establishment. People do however get paid a decent salary here, so tipping is optional.

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    4 days ago

    Definitely hitting the alarm and walking out of there … I’ll let them deal with the noise

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    slowly puts ear buds in and sets noise canceling to 100% as the cashier slowly realizes what I’m about to do

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    Cool, can I sue over damaged hearing because you are a total POS?

    85db or above can cause hearing damage, and every 10db is a doubling of sound so that would be 8x louder than 85 db threshold.

    Also for reference, a jet engine is 140db

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      At 85 dB you’ll have hearing damage from long term exposure without hearing protection. Normally considered 8 hours a day 5 days a week. So 2000 hours in a year. Higher sound levels have a lower threshold so shorter times. 120 dB is the threshold of pain, so immediate hearing damage. Also, dB are a 10x log scale. So every 10 dB is an order of magnitude increase. So the siren is actually about 3000x louder than when you should start wearing earpro.

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      My first thought also. Not only am I not tipping, I am suing for the painful, immediate and permanent hearing loss.