Pornhub goes dark in Arkansas after age verification law kicks in::Pornhub operator MindGeek has blocked all users in Arkansas from the site after the state’s new age verification law went into effect.

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      Arkansas: where the people rule! (Until we, the ones decidedly ruling over the people, decide we don’t like what you’re doing and think it’s icky.)

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        Everyone in Arkansas is still watching their porn, from the pimply teenagers on up to the crotchety old politicians who came up with this shit.

        It’s all a political stunt so that the (significant) bloc of evangelical/social conservative voters in the state can feel like they got a win, and in turn they’ll reelect the old white guys that signed it into law next fall.

        Politicians get a win, evangelicals get a “win”, and everybody keeps on watching exactly the same amount of Internet porn as they were before this law went into effect.

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        I know a lot of Republicans that hate how both parties have become. We need some independents to vote for. There’s a lot of us that are caught in the middle. I agree with the small govt part of traditional Republicans, and agree with a lot of what the left has. For whatever reason. All we get is some bullshit extreme from either side.

        What about normal ass people that just want people to leave them the fuck alone, pay taxes, keep their roads working, and stop wasting (literally stealing) our fucking money

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      To be fair, porn is a little lower on the “first they came for the -----” list than he was probably expecting. He likely thought he had a few more marginalized groups to take the fall before the leopards started eating HIS face. But yeah, reap what you sow.

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        I don’t like child porn myself, but… Different folks, I guess…

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          Not every porn is child porn. Please stop acting like we are the bad guys and that you don’t think of anything sexual at all at any point in your life…

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      I recommend using Tor browser as an alternate option. For anybody who can’t use a VPN or doesn’t want to.

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        I’m not sure if streaming 1080p video over Tor would be very appreciated by the rest of the network. Or that it would be a very pleasant experience.

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          Do you always stream porn in 1080p? I guess I never thought about the quality, but I honestly don’t expect anything more than 720

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            Does the resolution really matter? I may be wrong, but I think nobody runs a Tor node, giving away their bandwidth for free and risking jail time, just so that some random dude in Arkansas can watch some porn.

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        Definitely not the right scenario for tor. If you dont care about your privacy and just want to see some titty boombom Fanny maracas then even the cheapest VPN would be a better experience.

        Really though a decent VPN should something everyone has access to though anyway.

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        I think a vpn is simpler than tor personally. Also then videos gonna be buffering for a minute on tor lol

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          It’s not “simpler” at all because it includes the step of paying. But, indeed, better for this application.

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            Not necessarily. Granted installing the Tor browser will set up the services/daemons and access to the appropriate ports in the background, but generally the Tor protocol has a lot more going on than a VPN.

            Additionally a VPN can be had for free from certain services like ProtonVPN. It’s not as fast as a paid VPN service, but during lower traffic times it’ll suffice. Plus if you know how to torrent over a VPN, then you just download the vids that way and you don’t need internet access every time you want to watch it.

            This plus using CLI tools like yt-dlp on sites like pornhub, xhamster, etc, and you really start to realize how ineffective bullshit laws like these are for increasingly more technically savvy youths.

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        I just use OperaGX’s shitty free VPN if I need it. It works enough to get any vpn needed jobs done.

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      For a party that prides itself on being all about “small government” and “no nanny state,” this is some surprisingly big government nanny state shenanigans

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        The small government libertarian types were lowered in priority in the party after two decades of people pandering to them because there’s basically nobody out there that’s a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

        Trump and his grip on the GOP are evidence again of that same thing. There are more “conservatives” that are actually fiscal liberals and social conservatives than there are right libertarians.

        The rich would (for the most part) love to get the tax breaks and allow people to do whatever they want socially, but that (and virtue signaling) are not enough to rile up the fascist voters and evangelicals anymore.

        They’ve crossed the Rubicon with Trump and now it’s full on censorship and other Nazi tactics to take us back to the good old (non-existent) days.

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          I’m just going to sit over here in my fiscally conservative and socially liberal corner.

          (Although, I’m good with some level of safety nets still)

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      In fairness, this is a state law. States rights being part of the Republican platform during my childhood. Just another reason not to go to/live in Arkansas

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          Is it?

          I think “you can’t show porn to kids” seems like something well within the authority of a state to make a law about, even if the implementation is hamfisted and ineffective.

          My understanding is that porn would be considered obscenity, and obscenity is generally not protected by the first amendment, and can generally be regulated much more strictly.

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            This isn’t “you can’t show porn to kids,” this is “you have to provide an official ID to see porn.” Aside from just basic surveillance state issues, what happens when there’s the inevitable data breach?

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        Small government is allegedly still at part of the Republican platform at the state level. For a small government party, they sure do like to dictate what’s going on in people’s bedrooms.

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          This is interestingly why Democrats once performed better at the local level. There was a sizeable block that would split their ticket on state lines.

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        Republicans only cry States Rights when the federal government is attempting to make someone’s life better or when they want to take something away

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          They cry states rights as a tactic because they can control some states. If they had a supermajority on the national level they’d be passing abortion bans, contraceptive bans, trans bans, and any number of other abhorrent piles of garbage through at the federal level.

          Note how they give not a single shit about states rights to regulate firearms or allow abortions.

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          You know, there is a reasonable reading of the comment that doesn’t involve the assumption that they are telling people to move FROM Arkansas. Intentionally avoiding visiting the state, and intentionally avoiding relocating there, are quite different than the standard “LEAVE THE STATE” comment.

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    Who in their right mind would expect a free porn site to go to this level of hassle?

    Or is this a puritanical measure in disguise?

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      When this happened in Utah a few months ago, Google searches for VPN increased in like over 1000%.

      The best Free VPN IMO is ProtonVPN,

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      Especially since PornHub has an excellent point. Even though they theoretically could do an ID check, the sketchier porn sites simply wouldn’t. All these laws would do is push minors to use more dangerous porn sites. They’re not going to not watch porn just because the big, law abiding site checks IDs.

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      VPN industry lobbyists disguised as morality crusaders if you like tin foil hats as much as I do. Most likely not though, just people who feel the need to control how others spend their time and precious bodily fluids.

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    Didn’t read the bill cause pdf and cause it’s a bill, but found another article describing it, and it says at the end:

    The bill also would apply to material that as a whole lacks serious “literary, artistic, political, and scientific value for minors.”

    Isn’t that like 99% of the internet?

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      I get the impression not a lot of people were reading, writing, or wiping there even when it was legal.

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      Not sure what the spirit is behind this comment, but for all the cases that could be made in advocacy for porn, I don’t think this should be one. If porn is the only thing keeping rape cases from drastically increasing, there is something much more broken in our society, and access to porn won’t fix that.

      Edit: Holy shit, guys. I thought poor reading comprehension and inflammatory dog-piling was something that wouldn’t be so commonplace, after moving here from Reddit. Where did I say I support anything about what these pieces of legislation are enforcing? Every single response I’ve gotten so far has been arguing different points of discussion, of which my comment has nothing to do with. All I said was “GIVE THE RAPISTS THEIR PORN SO WE CAN BE SAFE!!!” isn’t exactly a strong angle to approach the issue from. One user is even sharing a study that includes data showing that giving pedophiles access to child pornography reduces rates of sexual assault with children. Like, no shit, but is the lack of child pornography really the core issue at that point? Don’t bother replying to me if you just want to put words in my mouth, and assume my stances on topics which I so far haven’t shared.

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        The spirit is quite clearly that rape and abuse numbers will likely go up slightly anywhere porn is banned.

        Nobody said “drastically.”

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          Holy shit I never thought I’d get to use line before.

          “Anyway, walk to your cars in pairs tonight. Rape’s up 8 percent”

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        Do you lock your door at night or when you leave? You shouldn’t have to, but you currently need to. So it would be stupid not to.

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        You’d rather rape rates be higher because the knob we know we can turn is slightly distasteful?

        Edit: GP is a coward and edited their comment rather than try to defend their pro-rape stance.

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          “human nature” is such a loaded phrase that generally is only used justify bullshit. and linking some article from some site that reports on some study somewhere isn’t going to change that

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          I am utterly unsurprised that there is evidence of a correlation between access to pornography and rates of sex-related crimes. However, I stand by what I said.

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            “We shouldn’t use evidence that banning porn has a potentially deleterious effect to make a decision on banning porn. We should use The Jesus!”

            It’s not OUR society that you’re responding to. It’s NUMEROUS societies.

            The rest of the world does exist, ya know.

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              You are just shoveling words into my mouth, but go off dude. Hope you feel better.

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        No spirit at all. Genuinely want to see if / how these change.

        I have a feeling they wont.

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    Well, that basically is an age check. People of Arkansas are obviously not old enough to deal with porn when they support a government that produces such stupid laws.

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      They already go to the more liberal states for their abortions and their weed. Might as well download some porn while on the dispensary wifi.

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    I remember reading about this before. This is so stupid. Making people verify with offical documents… People are going to get their documents stolen so much more now. Nice job Arkansas!

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      i thought american don’t have ID card? what kind document is official document?

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        We use driver licenses as a de facto substitute. The Real ID Act effectively makes it a de jure substitute too.

        Americans aren’t required to have one, but the US is very car-dependent, so most people do. You can also get an ID card that does not serve as a driver license from your state if you want to.

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          You mean that every American citizen is automatically issued a photocard ID free of charge after they reach a certain age?

          Because that’s how it works in most of Europe for example. Some countries mandate that you must carry it at all times in case the police requires you to identify yourself. You use this card to vote, and you can also travel freely within the EU with it (loads of people don’t even own a passport for this reason).

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            You can 100% get and ID in the US (might be state dependant but all states i’ve lived in have had this option) that is not a drivers license. It looks similar but you just cant drive with it. It can be used for anything else like buying alcohol or as a governemnt id for something. I dont think theres a fee either, if there is its like $20 for the paperwork. And it is not just issued. You do have to go to the dmv or something.

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            Where in Europe is that? Not in Austria. Passports, driver’s licenses and personal identity cards all cost money. For a long time my only ID card was my passport, so I used that to vote, but now I have a driver’s license.

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            You might be right about this one. I myself don’t have a ID-card but use my bank card as identification.

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              I think we’ve lost thr plot a bit. Yes, the US is one of thr only countries without a national ID, but that’s sort of beside the point.

              Whatever ID you onr is forced to use, national or not, the issue is the state tyrannically policing teens behavior.

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            IDs cost money in Germany, you definitely aren’t required to have it on you (but most do because it’s in the wallet), and technically you aren’t even required to have one you’re only required to have an official identifying document which can also be a passport. Or, if you’re an alien, well, passport, or residency permit. Any Schengen one probably works.

            Oh and IDs aren’t required to vote, you usually just show them the piece of paper they sent you to tell you when and where to vote. Push come to shove and things being suspicious you have to “make believable” that you’re you, and that also works with a student ID or whatever.

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          The UK does not require you to have any ID. it is not your job to prove who you are. this does lead to a number of interesting problems.

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        The government doesn’t go out of it’s way to give you one, but they usually aren’t difficult to get. Driver’s licenses and passports are commonly used as ID. Many states will also issue a state ID card, though the process for getting one varries by state.

        Driving, or at least being able to drive, is so ubiquitous that nearly everyone over 16 has some kind of driver’s license. That’s especially true of rural areas like Arkansas.

        For these kinds of things “official document” typically means a driver’s license, passport, state ID, military ID, etc. Anything issued by a state or federal government that has your name, date of birth, and photo.

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      I’m pretty sure their main issue is that they don’t want to be the ones doing the age verification. Louisiana set up a state run verification system, and pornhub has continued to operate their site in the state. I don’t want porn sites to have my ID info.

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      Didn’t the company also previously claim they were unable to effectively combat child porn?

      Classy lot.

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    Is this a scheme of VPN providers? Do they pay off politicians?

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      There are still tons of porn sites that don’t give a fuck about those state laws and don’t comply. No VPN needed, just browse to an unblocked site.

      They can’t force compliance of foreign hosts anyway