Oh really .
I learned early on as a child that you might as well participate in the fucking around because you’re just gonna get lumped in with the rest of them when the finding out happens.
I feel like I didn’t fuck around enough to help…
If Nato fails and Russia attacks, I’m not going to fight. All those xenophobic extremists nationalists in my country that fell for the Russian propaganda can clean up their own mess they caused.
If Nato fails and Russia attacks
That already happened back in 2022 (arguably all the way back to '08). NATO didn’t do shit because it’s just the US military wearing a dozen different European baseball caps. And after the US finished scrubbing out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, it didn’t have the logistics to launch another Asiatic land war (while keeping China at gunpoint in the Pacific and Iran in check in the Middle East).
American slippage is already apparent across Latin America, Africa, and the South Pacific. Things are only going to get worse for DC going forward.
You would have to be suicidal to stick your neck into that mess, at this stage of the game.
Ha ha
Too bad
It’s been chosen to fuck around and find out on behalf of our entire society
The innocent, the guilty, doesn’t matter. We’re all going to find out.
I hope everyone involved in bringing this down on us is happy with themselves. I’m sure most of them will be fine, of course.
Sometimes we all just have to find out, if there’s to be any chance of getting them to stop fucking around. 😐
Also there’s no opting out if you didn’t fucking vote. You can’t be complicit in opting out.
With the electoral college and FPTP, even opting in is of dubious benefit.
You should still do it obviously, but it is a rigged system.
Unfortunately the world often does the fucking around part for you, and you’re stuck finding out with them. Sincerely a Remainer being forced to find out on Brexit.
Boy, what a reversal we have now. Around when Brexit finally happened, the US kicked Trump out of office. It felt like we were going in the right direction and the UK wasn’t. Now the UK has put Labour back in power while we’re going all-in on fascism. Fuck. We should have just stuck with the monarchy.
Don’t worry - I’m sure in a few years time when our next election comes up, our population will have forgotten about the previous decade of getting fucked by the Tories, and immediately put them, Reform-UK, or some other alt-right party into power for round 2 just like you guys
Probably. The apple doesn’t seem to have fallen far from the tree.
Instructions unclear, now the US is installing a new monarchy
No, not like that!
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Realistically how likely is secession? Pretty unlikely, right? What’s the process like?
Its really unlikely mostly because we’d have to go authoritarian as fuck to get the maga traitors out before they could seriously damage us from within
The Sierra Nevada make a great natural barrier on one side, then the big ass desert to the south, so getting large amounts of anything in once we cut ourselves off would actually be harder than youd think
If we successfully negotiated with Mexico, Canada, or someone to back our asses up we might be able to manage it just off the idea that bombing us to oblivion is a really bad idea for your supply of quite a few crops & your major entertainment for the country as well as the busy ass ports on our shores, and that’s before you consider how much the rest of the world would find such a move incredibly distasteful from a “holy shit what did you just do” aspect
All in all if ANY state can successfully pull it off, it’s California, but it’s not going to happen
I live in a rural part of a deep blue Northeast state and have been thinking about this a lot. Most of my surrounding area is predictably liberal college towns but the town next door to me is very MAGA and I have to drive through it to get to the highway. Honestly, I want to know what it takes to get those people to leave so that we can secure and expand a safe haven here…
There is also “constitutional convention” path to “a better union” (revoking current government). Secession when threatened by TX gets an ok vibe, but the “right wing states rights” gang sees invading California as completely hinged response, if they suggest it.
Come and take it, flyovers! War is a drone-making contest now.
Pretty unlikely, right?
Very. The last time, warfare was far less asymmetric than it is now. Millions of people would need to be well past the point of “dying for their values and ideals” before that would get traction politically.
What’s the process like?
There literally isn’t one, or at least, not an official one; we’re not the EU. One spot on a map says “no” and the bigger spot on the map around it says “LOL… oh wait you’re serious?” Then they fight.
Also, the optics are very different for a state like California or any other economic powerhouse in the union. These places make up a huge chunk of the country’s GDP, so losing them would cost a massive chunk of the tax base. Plus, that would reduce the overall coastline of the remainder. Combined these outcomes are strategically “very bad”, further motivating the use of force to counter it.
Secession is a very complex subject. Besides the issues you mentioned there are tons of consequences of using force. The Civil War was over 160 years ago and we still have lingering grudges. How would our wealthy feel about the impacts of another one on their investments? Or on US bond values and the value of the dollar itself? I feel like analyzing the possibilities is far beyond my Econ 101 knowledge, but it seems like resolving a secession issue with negotiation would be vastly preferable to all parties involved than any armed conflict. I think it would come down to how the most influential people thought any outcome would affect them.
I agree, and can sympathize: I lack the education to see around all those corners. That said, I think that’s all plausible were it to happen.
I’ve thought for a long time that the US will end up as a collection of smaller countries. Not looking forward to the transition period.
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Finding out is universal, fucking around is optional.
You don’t have to be the one fucking around as long as there are others fucking around you.
I kinda want to fuck around, just not like this. Not like this!
Yep
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Me too thanks
The fact you did nothing either way makes you complicit in the worst act
