I’d argue it’s an objectively true statement that, of all the people alive today, Putin has singlehandedly caused more death and suffering than anyone else. The gap between him and whoever is second is likely orders of magnitude. Yet, when I read discussions about him, Russia, or the war in Ukraine, I almost never see the kind of hateful, nasty, and mean comments directed at him that I regularly see aimed at Trump, Elon, or even ordinary Republican politicians. Why is that?
Bonus question: Why be so nasty about it in the first place? There’s nothing wrong with criticism, but I struggle to understand the need for such meanness. Even when I agree with the sentiment, reading comments like that feels toxic. It poisons my mind too. I don’t like being angry, and I avoid it for practical reasons as well. Anger clouds my judgment, and I think it does the same for others and thus should be avoided.
Pretty sure that if you’re Russian expressing your hate to Putin would at best put you in trouble, and at worst lead to a slow and painful death in a labour camp.
Don’t under-estimate how privileged we are in the West to express our hate for Biden, Macron, Trudeau, Von der Leyen and who ever is the British PM it’s changes so fast that I stopped to follow. Without any legal repercussion
For what it’s worth, the UK’s current PM is Keir Starmer. We had an election in the summer and fucking finally kicked out the last lot that had been, amongst their many other efforts to make everything worse, churning through leaders like 3rd century Rome. The new lot have their issues too and it is of course too early at the moment to see if they have actually restored some measure of stability, but there’s hope.
Labour in the UK haven’t offered anything new since Tony Blair, and even then it wasn’t new in a good way. It almost looked like they might with Corbyn, but they destroyed him themselves.
Yet
I talk mad shit about Putin daily in vkontakte and yet I’m alive and well. Continue eating that propaganda raw.
Oh sure, go into Moscow and hold up a sign protesting the war in Ukraine. See what happens.
Putin is a fascist dictator and you expect him to act that way. Democratically elected politician in democratic country should behave differently and when he doesn’t, it obviously result in some outrage.
Quality concern trolling. No notes.
I utterly reject your premise
I get angrier when I think of Musk or Trump because, bafflingly, my peers have been fooled into giving these frat boys control over parts of my life.
Not so much Putin. Yet.
Granted he is probably more objectively evil.
Putin also has seemed to stfu and back away, musk and trump just word vomit constantly
Can’t say for sure, but my theory is that people sorta accept that Putin is a hated person. Most people in Western countries - or rather people not in Russia - hate the guy, therefore people don’t necessarily feel the need to elaborate on their dislike of him. Whereas people like Trump, after all, he got voted in so clearly some people must like the guy. Therefore people push back harder against him to convice others to do the same.
I think most of who you’re hearing are Americans. I might hate Putin with all my heart, but he leads a different country. There isn’t “chain of command” between me and him.
Edit/more blathering:
I try to avoid the virulent speech (not always successfully I admit) about Americans’ choice in leadership. And to a large degree, at home, even that is outside my “sphere of influence”, but I at least have an opportunity to be heard by other parts of the electorate here.
And by the way, I think supporting Trump is supporting Putin. I hope I’m wrong, but I do believe that.
We can piss and moan about Putin (and we do, I’m not sure what you’re missing TBH), but investing time and emotional energy, it makes sense to start at home, where we at least should have some influence on self-determination.
There isn’t “chain of command” between me and him.
I mean, sure their is.
Putin
POTUS
SCOTUS
Senate / House
. . . . You.
And that answers OPs question.
It kinda depends on on distance. I live in a country with a long shared border with Russia. Putin, putinists, Ukraine and whatthefuckcanwedoaboutit are regular and well researched debate in here.
In here American politics/elections are not in daily discussions but they surely are a thing to follow/be aware.
So here on Fediverse it is what most active users see and do. It’s pretty American (and German). Far away from the war and Putin.
To be fair. In my experience I see much more hate directed towards Trump and Elon here in Finland too. Putin is rarely the subject of discussion among my friends.
Putin killed away all critics early?
Putin has singlehandedly caused more death and suffering than anyone else.
And your proof of this is… what?
I almost never see the kind of hateful, nasty, and mean comments directed at him
Because Putin is not a product of the US. Trump is, and, to a large extent, so is Musk.
Yeah as bad as he is, Putin isn’t event the worst Russian dictator if we’re going by body count. Stalin is still miles ahead.
Putin is a scumbag, but he still has a long way to go to even beat George Bush Jnr, and he doesn’t even scratch the paint on Henry Kissinger’s record levels of crimes perpetrated against humanity.
Paraphrasing someone relevant: That’s just percentages.
Stalin is dead
And your proof of this is… what?
The war in Ukraine has so far caused around 300k deaths. I can’t think of a person alive who’d be responsible for more deaths than that.
The (so-called) “War On Terror” unleashed by George Bush has caused about 900,000 dead. That is just the death DIRECTLY caused by warfare and not the far, far greater number of people dead through indirect causes such as starvation and disease as a result.
Or does it only count in your book when the people dying “look like us”?
Or does it only count in your book when the people dying “look like us”?
No that totally counts. Why do you need to imply I have some racist agenda here?
Why do you need to imply I have some racist agenda here?
This you?
Putin has singlehandedly caused more death and suffering than anyone else.
Yeah I couldn’t think of a person responsible for more deaths than him untill you brought up George Bush. You made a fair point and I changed my mind. What’s racist about that? I don’t get where this hostility is coming from.
Because Putin is a Russian narcissistic psychopath, whatever he does, it’s in line with what you’d expect.
Trump is an American narcissistic psychopath who is selling out the country to the highest bidder. Well, I guess that too is quite on par with what you’d expect from a powerful person in the US…
Never mind
Another fascinating question is why Netanjahu is receiving more hate in the West when they’re basically doing the same thing, only Putin has even less of a reason and is killing more people. (Ukrainians didn’t massacre Russian civilians or take them hostage, either)
Expectations.
People don’t expect a country that’s supposed to be a close ally to do actual pure evil.
Russia has always been in a different category. It’s oscillated between being an outright enemy and being a distant, somewhat-ally the West is suspicious of. Either way, Putin was never someone you trust.
When someone betrays your expectations, you have a stronger emotional response.
When you feel like your country is actually helping with evil acts, that’s another layer of emotional response.
But if someone you feel like you can’t do anything about and has always been bad anyway is being evil, again… Well it’s a bit of a “no shit, Sherlock” moment. Doesn’t spark anger in quite the same way.
It’s because the US is supporting Ukraine in fighting against Putin. In Israel, the US is supporting Netanyahu.
If we were funding Putin’s war, you would see a different reaction. There’s just less of a reason to complain if we’re already against Russia as a country.
Recency bias. Also anti-semitism. I don’t mean that in the sense that any criticism of Israel is necessarily or logically anti-semitic. I mean it in the historical sense. Any time Western societies starts hating on Jews, we really, really need to reflect hard on why.
I know, we all think we are objective enough to separate the Jewish identity from the Israeli identity, but I’m not so sure. Jews are definitely not so sure. It would be interesting to see a study on the correlation between having general anti-semitic views and having negative opinions about Israel.
You’d accidentally fall out a 10th floor window.
After accidentally shooting yourself twice in the back of your head.
Also the window was a fixed pane window.
Wait That’s Boeing but we don’t that around heren
Because Lemmy is dominated by USA demographic, and Putin is ruling on another continent, so his actions are less impactful for average Americans’ lives.
Maybe because we don’t get the psyop that putin is not an evil bastard, so we do not feel wronged when we hear about him.
