• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Go figure. Big business guilty of the issues everyone claimed Big Government would have, except big business was supposed ro be so much better because “privatization” and “efficiency”.

    Guess it turns out that when an industry captures a sector by being in effect mandatory to use those services they don’t give a shit about being efficient and they still get to make a profit. They’re burning everyone else’s money. So medical insurance costs go up. What are you gonna do? Not get medical treatment? Oh, wait…

    Government can be inefficient AF, but it doesn’t need to make a profit on top of that inefficiency.

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    For-profit insurance has been painfully and obviously “very bad” since before I existed. No “actually” needed. This is common knowledge.

    Now what are we going to do about it?

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      It’s useful to precise about exactly why it’s bad. The idea that capitalism breeds efficiency is baked into the American psyche at this point. But in this case it’s literally the opposite of the truth.

      This isn’t like a highly trained transplant surgeon demanding a salary of 800k instead of 600k. No health care is delivered by an insurance company.

      Every dollar earned in profit by a health insurance company is a dollar that was spent on health care for which no health care was delivered. They are literally just inefficiency in the system.

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      Being bad is one thing, but a lot of people say “Well of course people think it’s bad. It’s not handing out money to people willy-nilly, so people hate it”. Some people would rather have bad things that are efficient with money (because if you have a lot of money, you can solve the problem).

      Being financially inefficient may get some people to look into it and change their tune.

      Going from…

      I spend more money and get what I want, poor people just need to work harder and be smarter with their money.

      To…

      Why am I paying more money for bureaucracy when I could be paying less money for less bureaucracy? I don’t care if more people get help…I just want to be paying less.

      Of course, some people would rather pay more for more red tape because they really hate the idea of poorer people having access to the things they have. But some people are not that bad.

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      Keep the pressure up I guess? Probably a combination of on lawmakers and insurance companies, why not big pharma while we’re at it?

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    Insurance company execs literally salivating at the thought of being able to perform mass layoffs and leave “an algo” in charge all in the name of reducing overhead.

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    We need more studies and more proof of this.

    We need more news articles repeating the studies and proof.

    Not fewer.

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    That waste how they extract profit.

    The business model is to middle man every medical transaction and they take a cut on each one. And some transaction they can keep entire value bt denying a claim as a hail merry.

    This shit is more parasitic than payments processing industry.

    How did we end up where folk just accept either of these things?

    These industries need to be dismantled. But it is probably easier for everybody to move to a country that actually has a functioning system lol

    Although the darlings in the Nordics are starting to show cracks esp Sweden. The US style extraction systems are being exported and they able to impose them via decisive politics that working classes larp.

    They must think they got some sort of cheat code.

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      The main problem with the Swedish healthcare system is lack of funding. The healthcare sector has been needing more money for a long time now.

      I am not completely sure but I think Norway and Denmark does not have a problem with a lack of funds

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    wonder what donvict’s ‘efficiency expert’ has to say about that?

    probably some bullshit about needing to move seniors on medicare over to for profit ‘advantage’ plans.

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      Honestly, it would be most efficient just to grind everyone over 70 into mulch. The years spent slowly siphoning their life savings while they just sit around not being hardcore workers are complete waste. Accelerate the process, transfer the wealth, so the next generation can spend it on new cars and electronic baubles: old people don’t spend enough money, and what they do spend is all government-subsidized healthcare.

      /s

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        can we start at the top of the hill, then have a change of heart as we clean the orange goo out of the mulcher?

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      probably some bullshit about needing to move seniors on medicare over to for profit ‘advantage’ plans.

      Not until after he buys CVS and rebrands it as PharMaX, with all-new “dealership-free” insurance plans that use AI to streamline the claims denial process.

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    Er, huge administrative waste is what makes universal healthcare nearly unworkable too lol

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        I know, I’m being downvoted by people who never lived with it. I know a dozen people who work for the NHS and they’ll tell you exactly the same thing

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          If you think administrative waste is an issue with a single payer healthcare system, then imagine how much additional waste is created by having hospitals and clinics deal with multiple private insurers with their various plan coverages, exceptions, and deductibles.

          There’s also the differing pre-approval requirements for the same procedure to be covered by different insurers, as well as appeal processes for denials.

          Then there’s financing and collections for the people that have been treated without insurance. The hospitals and clinics still have to get reimbursed for their costs still, regardless of who’s paying.

          While the public system may have its inefficiencies, a private system is rather inefficient and moderately expensive at the best of times.

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            Aye, they just did that in the UK. Hopefully things will turn around

            Glad I gave up on the place after 40 years though!