• SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1932·
    16 days ago

    You can’t parse [X]HTML with LLM. Because HTML can’t be parsed by LLM. LLM is not a tool that can be used to correctly parse HTML. As I have answered in HTML-and-regex questions here so many times before, the use of LLM will not allow you to consume HTML. LLM are a tool that is insufficiently sophisticated to understand the constructs employed by HTML. HTML is not a regular language and hence cannot be parsed by LLM. LLM queries are not equipped to break down HTML into its meaningful parts. so many times but it is not getting to me. Even enhanced irregular LLM as used by Perl are not up to the task of parsing HTML. You will never make me crack. HTML is a language of sufficient complexity that it cannot be parsed by LLM. Even Jon Skeet cannot parse HTML using LLM. Every time you attempt to parse HTML with LLM, the unholy child weeps the blood of virgins, and Russian hackers pwn your webapp. Parsing HTML with LLM summons tainted souls into the realm of the living. HTML and LLM go together like love, marriage, and ritual infanticide. The <center> cannot hold it is too late. The force of LLM and HTML together in the same conceptual space will destroy your mind like so much watery putty. If you parse HTML with LLM you are giving in to Them and their blasphemous ways which doom us all to inhuman toil for the One whose Name cannot be expressed in the Basic Multilingual Plane, he comes. HTML-plus-LLM will liquify the n​erves of the sentient whilst you observe, your psyche withering in the onslaught of horror. LLM-based HTML parsers are the cancer that is killing StackOverflow it is too late it is too late we cannot be saved the transgression of a chi͡ld ensures LLM will consume all living tissue (except for HTML which it cannot, as previously prophesied) dear lord help us how can anyone survive this scourge using LLM to parse HTML has doomed humanity to an eternity of dread torture and security holes using LLM as a tool to process HTML establishes a breach between this world and the dread realm of c͒ͪo͛ͫrrupt entities (like SGML entities, but more corrupt) a mere glimpse of the world of LLM parsers for HTML will ins​tantly transport a programmer’s consciousness into a world of ceaseless screaming, he comes, the pestilent slithy LLM-infection wil​l devour your HT​ML parser, application and existence for all time like Visual Basic only worse he comes he comes do not fi​ght he com̡e̶s, ̕h̵i​s un̨ho͞ly radiańcé destro҉ying all enli̍̈́̂̈́ghtenment, HTML tags lea͠ki̧n͘g fr̶ǫm ̡yo​͟ur eye͢s̸ ̛l̕ik͏e liq​uid pain, the song of re̸gular exp​ression parsing will exti​nguish the voices of mor​tal man from the sp​here I can see it can you see ̲͚̖͔̙î̩́t̲͎̩̱͔́̋̀ it is beautiful t​he final snuffing of the lie​s of Man ALL IS LOŚ͖̩͇̗̪̏̈́T ALL I​S LOST the pon̷y he comes he c̶̮omes he comes the ich​or permeates all MY FACE MY FACE ᵒh god no NO NOO̼O​O NΘ stop the an​*̶͑̾̾​̅ͫ͏̙̤g͇̫͛͆̾ͫ̑͆l͖͉̗̩̳̟̍ͫͥͨe̠̅s ͎a̧͈͖r̽̾̈́͒͑e n​ot rè̑ͧ̌aͨl̘̝̙̃ͤ͂̾̆ ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ ISͮ̂҉̯͈͕̹̘̱ TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚​N̐Y̡ H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ

  • jonne@infosec.pub
    58·
    16 days ago

    So I guess it’s just only us Millennials that know how to convert a PDF properly, and we’re just sandwiched in between boomers and gen Z finding the most ridiculous ways to try to accomplish that task.

  • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
    291·
    16 days ago

    Yes, there are LLMs for that, you literally just have to Google “llm parse PDF”.

    You could also use tesseract or any number of other solutions which probably work as well…

    But an inexperienced kid is gonna act like an inexperienced kid

    • mrkite@programming.dev
      19·
      16 days ago

      But an inexperienced kid is gonna act like an inexperienced kid

      Let’s give him access to government payroll!

      • palordrolap@fedia.io
        181·
        16 days ago

        It’s kind of easy to forget about or ignore any experience they might have if they’re asking questions like that. Sure, maybe it was a brain fart from a panicked intern who’s having orders barked at them from a powerful individual that they want to impress, but that doesn’t make it any better, does it?

          • andyburke@fedia.io
            19·
            16 days ago

            … which would be?

            Because to me it looks like someone asking to use an LLM to parse things that were created to specifically be parsed by machines. Looks like someone who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. I’m open to being educated on what that subtle question you’re referring to might be, and how this person is somehow experienced and being nuanced, just drop it on me.

            • andyburke@fedia.io
              9·
              16 days ago

              I mean … this person works for the department of government EFFICIENCY, right?

              <amidala face>

            • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
              7·
              15 days ago

              Exactly. I’m a software developer and I wouldn’t ask this question on Twitter. Although I might not remember how to convert files from one format to another off the top of my head. I would just use a search engine or ask my boss or even ChatGPT. It would take me a couple of minutes to learn what tool I need to do it.

          • MadhuGururajan@programming.devEnglish
            51·
            15 days ago

            if you can’t explain your problem and expect people to read between the lines then don’t be surprised people assume the unspoken parts. we’re not oracles here!

      • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
        1·
        16 days ago

        I guess it’s just a dumb tweet question then. In not directly in the field and even I’m up to date in latest model benchmarks for tasks I need to do.

        I don’t know anything about this kid other than the tweet and Elon likes him.

  • Gsus4@mander.xyz
    18·
    15 days ago

    Same for music like suno. I don’t need to remix and hallucitate new fusion music, I just need a really good way to effectively search/discover all music that already exists in one place.

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
    17·
    15 days ago

    I’m still mad there’s no straightforward way to convert a PDF into semantic HTML. There’s plenty of tools to convert it into HTML that looks the same with pages and such, but I just want the content.

  • GroundedGator@lemmy.world
    141·
    15 days ago

    We absolutely should have more specialized LLMs. That being said we have dozens of tools that convert documents and data. Also any engineer worth a nickel should be able to whip something up in an hour or so for most cases.

    • locuester@lemmy.zipEnglish
      71·
      16 days ago

      This is a primary use for me. A couple times per day.

      That’s part of what makes LLMs so popular with software engineers, they solve lots of trivial daily computer tasks.

    • jdeath@lemm.ee
      1·
      15 days ago

      oh nice! i use Prettier for that and it has worked fine for a decade or so, but it is really lacking any AI so i have been having to search for alternatives.

      maybe PrettierAI, it can use LLMs to format all your code!

      • JaddedFauceet@lemmy.world
        11·
        15 days ago

        Prettier doesn’t make my markdown table prettier tho. This is what i did

        prompt

        Given the following markdown table

        | input | output l
| -- | -- |
| 2.6 | 3 |
| 2.5 | 2 |
| 2.4 | 2 |
| 1.6 | 2 |
| 1.5 | 2 |
| 1.4 | 1 |

        Align the vertical bar. Align number to the left

        output

        Here’s the table with the vertical bars aligned and numbers left-aligned:

        | input | output l |
|-------|----------|
| 2.6   | 3        |
| 2.5   | 2        |
| 2.4   | 2        |
| 1.6   | 2        |
| 1.5   | 2        |
| 1.4   | 1        |

        Each column has been padded so that the vertical bars line up consistently, and the numbers are aligned to the left as requested.

        • jdeath@lemm.ee
          1·
          14 days ago

          yeah, you formatted a markdown table. now you’re just repeating yourself. Prettier handles that just fine. I have the Prettier VSCode extension and set it as default formatter on save and this gets done automatically for me.

          before:

          after:

          Didn’t require a small lake of water and a gigawatt of electricity to compute… it even works offline!