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    I haven’t watched The Ten Commandments in a long while so please help me remember. Wasn’t worshipping a false idol considered a BAD thing?

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      I think there is literally a story in the bible where someone puts a golden goat in his garden or wherever and then gets punished by god

      Edit: It was a golden calf

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        Any true Christian would know this story. You’re either not Christian, or Evangelical Christian.

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          Born and raised in fundamentalist evangelical Christianity. The vast majority of evangelicals will know the story of Moses and the golden calf.

          A significant minority of evangelicals actually regularly study the Bible. (I used to be one of them.) They tend to be the core of the membership and teach classes and have leadership positions. See Mike Johnson for an example.

          The level of internal propaganda is wild. To be able to maintain that faith while regularly studying the Bible takes a lot of willing suspension of disbelief. Basically, they live in a bubble where they self-censor incoming information.

          Something like the ex-mormon CES Letter is needed for the evangelicals. Homeschooling also needs to have required curriculum to give children logical tools.

          Conservative cultural christians are a different problem and probably what you’re actually thinking of. They’re useful idiots for the far right as well as the evangelicals. They really don’t know much about the Bible or denominations around them and tend to believe what they were told last by far right media or their smart uncle who’s into conspiracy theories and shit. Political and religious outrage as entertainment.

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            What a wonderful and illuminating reply to my snarky sarcasm! Thank you! That’s all very interesting.

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        7 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, ‘These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’

        9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.” …

        25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

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      The whole point of the antichrist is they rise to power by exploiting Christians and their faith…

      Like, everything about the two line up that I’m starting to think trump is literally using the myth as a blueprint. Like, at some point someone told him about it, and his first and only thought was:

      I bet they’re dumb enough to really fall for that

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        I think it’s kind of the opposite. The Bible was written as a response to and warning of human greed. The fashion in which people come to power has changed since then, but human greed doesn’t change.

        The irony is not lost that the Bible itself was turned into a tool for greed and oppression, but I think that the actual core of the religion (Christ’s teachings or whatever) were meant to warn people about the dangers of doing greedy human things.

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          Dude has a literal golden goat… That’s would be a pretty big coincidence.

          Don’t forget his first Christian supporters was the Evangelicalists. People who got so tired of waiting for the apocalypse they decided to help it along to get to the rapture.

          That’s what’s up with the Israel support as well, it’s supposed to start there, and it’s supposed to be a “Jewish Kingdom”.

          That and the antichrist coming to power are the two big things, it’s not implausible they think trump is the actual antichrist, understand how terrible he is, but want to give him ultimate power to hasten judgement day

          It’s not rational, but there’s logic to it.

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      Wasn’t worshipping a false idol considered a BAD thing?

      Just don’t consider it a false idol. That’s the trick.

      Stick your money-plated golden calf in a big box and have four old dudes carry it around on a palanquin. Then get a dozen DOGE agents to lead it in front of a government agency, blow their shofars, and pull funding until it collapses.

      Boom. Straight out of the Book of Joshua, Chapter 6. Not much more holy than the Siege of Jericho.

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      Yes, but only if one was actually a believer of said religion.

      “Christian” Nationalists are just Nazis With An Excuse.

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            Oh yeah. I think I read one long ago when I was young and indoctrinated. Maybe even seen a movie? Yes, but not the Nic Cage one, the 2000 one.

            That’s something I haven’t thought about in a long time. Thanks for bringing it up (not sarcasm). I’ll have to look into it from a different perspective.

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      True.

      But was idolation for a false idol not one off the signes off the anti-christ. And he was also having his own valuta… an other sing.

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      Worshipping anything else than God is the big super bad. Joshua saw a Jew sleeping with a non-believer and Joshua put a spear through them both. God was like “Hell yeah, dude!” and promoted him to be the new Moses.

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        No, I didn’t. I just was stunned they profaned yhwh and Baphomet. I guess they’ll get around to Kali and Shiva eventually. Got to cover all the bases, I guess. 🤷‍♀️

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          Well, you’ve got to appreciate that not only are they ridiculously ignorant and incompetent, they’re also disturbingly hypocritical.

          They only serve the one true deity, except when they don’t.

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            No, they never stay from worshipping , Mammon, and I daresay plenty of people, regardless of their religion or lack thereof, also do.

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    Now I don’t believe a word of the Bible, but this guy checks off so many anti-Christ boxes it’s getting harder and harder to see how the people who do believe that stuff don’t see it.

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    Trump is literally the Anti-Christ, he takes Christians away from Christ and thinks it’s funny.

    I actually read a report somewhere that said Christians were having to choice between their Churches and Trump… and they choose Trump

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    Ya know, maybe the Bible is right and god is real, because there’s no way someone comes this close to exactly what it describes as the Anti-Christ without actually being evil.

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    Why a goat? It’s an odd choice considering the association with Satan.

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      It’s an old testament sacrifice thing.

      Leviticus 17:7

      They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idols[a] to whom they prostitute themselves.

      Edit: it appears in a few other places.

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        he hasn’t read the bible and probably doesn’t talk to anyone who has. more likely a reference to “the goat” meaning “the greatest of all time”.

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        Well yeah, but the goat idols were used in some kind of previous religion and are being forbidden in Leviticus, as can be seen from the quote. So it’s not exactly an old testament thing, it’s just mentioned in the old testament as something you shouldn’t use.

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        Hi I’m a Christian and I care. The goat seems to be made to auction to spread awareness for human trafficking. Very bizarre to go with this method though. I also know nothing of the organization and it’s effectiveness in helping stop child human trafficking. Especially after that movie and the backlash it got with how little it did in helping the actual core issue. Bunch of hypocrites.

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mar-a-lago-goat-trump/

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          The project is an initiative of Athletes & Causes, an organization in Florida that pairs athletes with philanthropic efforts. Its founder, Rob Canton, also runs the Grady Goat Foundation in Florida, a nonprofit organization dedicated to fundraising through goat yoga classes in order to support disadvantaged children.

          I don’t know anything about them, but the auctioned thing being a perfect representation of trump’s ego, I’m fully expecting that none of the money will actually be used for the cause

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            Yeah, probably. It’s a non profit but I don’t know how that money gets audited. If law even applies here.

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            Exploiting peoples love of Trump sounds like a great idea to support people in need

            Bonus points if the its supporting trans people

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    Ok now he is just memeing the false prophet thing. He can’t not be aware, can he?

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    I’m not a Christian but man this Trump guy keeps matching what revelations said the anti christ would be so well that I might look into the religion if it wasn’t oppressing me and I wasn’t already happy with my gods

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      I don’t believe in God, but rapture appears like a good start. Bunch of religious freak leaving for heaven would mean the median IQ raised a little bit.

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    When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

    He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”

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        Then the Sianai Times reported how the Pharaoh isn’t actually a that bad of a guy and it would serve the Israelites to reopen communication with Egypt and discuss trade partnership, and how slavery should be an individual’s choice and that they should vote Moses out for unilateral decision-making. Also, no haha the river never turned to blood and there are no locusts, don’t look up at them.

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          I can do better (optimism-wise).

          Maybe this will be remembered after the fact and once the Trump delusion dies, people will see that the tribulation and rapture never happened despite him literally bringing us to the end of the world, they all lose their religion and everything swings HARD to the left afterwards. No more Republicans, no more conservatives, no more capitalism, no more oppressive medicinal politics.