McIntire, a 19-year-old student at Boston’s University of Massachusetts, appeared in federal court Friday and has been charged with one count of unlawful possession of an unregistered destructive device and one count of malicious damage by fire of any property used in interstate commerce.
Yes, arson is a crime, and rightly so. “Decades behind bars”, however, for setting two cars on fire (and damaging two charging stations) is insanely disproportionate. There’s a very important reason that not all infractions are sentenced to the maximum possible extent:
If the government is going to drop any pretense of mercy or sanity, then there’s no reason why people shouldn’t take their time, plan things carefully, and destroy the whole dealership. People who would otherwise do less damage are taking note. Sure, some will be scared away, but I think more will be emboldened. Maybe I’m wrong, but it doesn’t matter. Either way, the end result will be worse.
The government is basically telling people that prosecutors won’t be reasonable, so you might as well make sure the crime is truly worthy of the punishment. I cannot overemphasize what a terrible idea this is.
It’s like the zero-tolerance policy my at my kid’s school…
I told them if you get hit, since you’re going to get suspended anyway, fight back until I get there to pick you up.
“zero tolerance” in public schools is 100% copout cowardice from administrators who would rather hide behind policy instead of having to earn their six-figure incomes by making the basic fundamental decisions that the job duties entail. All principals everywhere are midwit cowards.
While I agree with the assessment of zero tolerance policies, there isn’t a soul in our entire school district that is making 6 figures. Most of the faculty in our district are barely scraping by because the voters believe this collective delusion that schools have more money than god and are full of wasteful spending. That is a lie promulgated by conservatives to defund schools.
Stop feeding that lie.
The problem is admin.
Principals make a bit less than $100k. One year, my principal just didn’t show up to work. Like, it was a game where she’d show up in the morning sometimes if the superintendent was going to be there, but otherwise completely gone.
But, if I tried to do something like give the star basketball player the grade he earned, or tried to write up a student for watching tiktoks on full volume during class - she’d show up just to force me to do nothing.
I am a public school advocate from MI where every single administrator in the state makes six figures as well as many gym teachers who don’t yet grasp the English language’s most basic homophones.
This is reality. I think public school admin has collectively failed our country as much if not more so than any profession.
I am a (recently) former school board member of my district in MI and personally reviewed the compensation packages for our staff.
Quit spreading bullshit.
Which district? I’m in Grand Rapids and can name TWO gym teachers from my first failing district who pulled six figures and struggled with the most basic homophones.
It’s not BS to say that admin makes six figures. Most all admin do.
Your very own OP said (and I’m on mobile with a shit app so I can’t copy and paste, so I’m quoting from memory, but y’all can look up there for the actual words): "I’m a public education advocate from MI and all (emphasis mine) admin make 6 figures.
That part. That’s a lie. You’re now moving the goalposts and I’m calling you on your bullshit.
I’m not going to do myself as I’ve taken pains to remain anonymous after being doxxed and harassed on that other shit platform. Suffice it to say that I don’t live in one of the most affluent school districts in Michigan (ahem; Rockford and what other ISD’s around GR?). I live among the poorest.
I’m not disagreeing on gym teachers not knowing the basics of other subjects, but you keep going on your gish gallop.
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Her punishment should be at least as bad as the sentences rioters served for breaking into the U.S. capitol. Or maybe that should be the cap since her actions didn’t result in death and weren’t intended as an attempt at insurrection (unless someone that owns Tesla is now considered the head of government).
Absolutely, it’s called a proportional response for a reason. I always think of the West Wing scene when this subject comes up. The whole scene lives in my head rent free to be honest.
News media unfortunately tends to look up the absolute maximum a crime can be sentenced and reports as if that is the default sentencing. It is rare for crimes to be sentenced to the max. If we can get past the screaming about “but this is Trump’s America now!”, the sentencing is still unlikely to be at the max, or at least not maxed out on every count.
I wish the article had shown their work, because from my skim (quick skim, but I’m pretty solid on the DD charge maximum at least) the two charges together have a maximum sentencing of 17 years combined if charged by the federal system. It would have been 13 if the state had charged.
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For real, those piece of shit cars have more rights than we do
Lesson learned, I guess. If she had only set fire to the Capitol in support of an insurrection in support of the far right, she’d be up for a pardon.
two Tesla Cybertrucks worth more than $100,000
Doubt
I mean, it looks like a new cyber truck starts at $62k right now. They’re not wrong, but that’s no reason to completely ruin this guy’s life, he’s already paying for college…
What they are worth is what someone is willing to pay for it, not what Tesla prices it at.
They aren’t selling: Cybertruck Isn’t Selling So Tesla Shifts Production To What Actually Sells
Even Tesla doesn’t want them and refuses them as trade-ins but will take other cars so its not a problem with trade-ins in general: Tesla Is So Cooked That It’s Now Refusing to Accept Cybertrucks as Trade-Ins
but that’s no reason to completely ruin this
girl’sguy’s life, she’s already paying for college…We agree on this.
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-The article says the suspects full name is “Owen McIntire” being the only hint to suspect gender.
America does have a greater than zero percentage of spineless bootlickers, more interested in upvotes and likes than their own freedom, unfortunately.
Snitches get stitches.
Plenty of fiction media describes how you should treat collaborators
I’m not a lawyer but the feds claiming it as a federal case because cars could be used in interstate commerce seems lame. Should be a Missouri case, not a federal case.
They are pushing for federal because it involved Elonazi’s Swasticars.
The rule of law isn’t important anymore.
The rule of law is dead. Enter the age of action and consequence.
Bullshit expansion of the commerce clause has been ongoing for at least 100 years.
c.f. Swift & Co, 1905 (?) and Wickard 1942
I loves me Wickard v. Filburn which held that a farm not doing interstate commerce could be regulated by the Commerce Clause because the lack of commerce affected interstate commerce.
Oh boy you are late to the party. The interstate commerce clause has been twisted for decades to basically allow a Federal hook for anything to exist.
In this case however, I think the Destructive Device charge alone would have sufficed as the hook.
Impossible. She was at my house at the time of said incident.
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If you get decades for that then this just encourages going all in.
The keyword here is “Alleged”. As far as anyone knows, She was just falsely-flagged.
Should have led an insurrection instead, and then become president. Though I forgot if you need to also defraud a charity, be a cheating rapist slumlord and get convicted of 34 felonies first, or if the order doesn’t matter. Things are changing so fast nowadays.
I really don’t like jury duty. And would do plenty to get out of it. If I got called for this one. I would happily nullify it as hard as I could.
No you would not. You would find that she is not guilty.
What you’re describing has a name, and that name is nullification.
No it’s not. Discussing nullification would get be booted off a jury. However, if considering all the facts, I were to vote not guilty, it would not.
Think whatever you like but jury nullification is when a juror votes “not guilty” when they actually think someone is guilty of a law that they disagree with.
Okay. Apparently you think I’m fighting you for no reason. Is it nullification? Yes. Don’t call it that. Don’t talk about that. Because it will get you booted off a jury.
Haha, I mean, we’re definitely arguing over semantics but you’re saying something equivalent to, “No, don’t eat ice cream. Put some in your mouth and then swallow it, but don’t eat. We never eat.”
Except the point is that if you say you would eat ice cream, you don’t get the ice cream. Legally speaking as a juror you are supposed to uphold the law. If the judge or prosecutor has any inkling you might nullify, they’ll boot your ass out of the pool in a hurry.
On the plus side mentioning Jury Nullification during the selection process on a case you do not want anything to do with and they will cut you so fast your head will be spinning. Just knowing about it makes you a threat to the prosecutors.
Only if nullification was not a possibility. Nullification sends a much stronger and important message. Namely we don’t give a fuck if they’re guilty or not. Because this is a bullshit show trial that does not have Justice in mind. Yes I’m aware prosecutors often ask for the largest applicable sentence possible eventually negotiating down. That doesn’t make this any less bullshit.
That is what Jury Nullification means, the jury ignores the law (usually because it is being misapplied or the law itself is bullshit) and finds the defendant not guilty, regardless of whether they did the “crime” or not.
Feed birds next to Tesla dealerships.
You know what? I know this was a joke but this is a fantastic idea. A way to protest that even the old and weak can take part in. What are you going to do, outlaw feeding birds? Good luck with that.
Oh yeah, totally joking lol.
I used to drive on State Line past that lot full of Teslas daily, always saw a ton of Cybertrucks just sitting. Once Musk started getting so much (more) hate I figured it was a matter of time before someone torched it.
Also, I always find it funny how it’s totally just a road that divides the states, I’d drive to work and be “in” Missouri and drive home “in” Kansas lol
It’s honestly better if that inventory sits on the lot unpurchased. It costs them money to store it and it looks bad for them having old inventory around months or even years out of date. Torching it just gives them a nice insurance payout.
I work in KS and live in MO. Love paying income tax in two states! /s
How can you possibly blame this kid when Cybertrucks have been known to self-immolate? They have faulty batteries that catch on fire left and right; the rustbucket was likely already on fire before he got there.
Yeah, it’s like prosecuting women for miscarriages. Oh wait.
Don’t get captured
