Please note that the official title of the article is:
Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.
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Wow, I’ve been browsing Twitter, Reddit and Lemmy for the past few hours. I’m surprised to see such breaking news first in Lemmy instead of Twitter or Reddit.
Awesome! Hope the Fidiverse keeps on growing to become bigger than Reddit and Twitter.
Look at me
Lemmy is the frontpage of the internet now
Damn right it is!
Good point. Really good sign for users if we can get breaking news stories here like this.
literally the only reason i keep going to reddit to sort by rising every now and then.
Reddit hot sorts more by popular, so things take a long time to rise up.
Lemmy hot seems to be (too much) biased to new. Can be a bad thing because it looks like things don’t get popular. They do but you don’t see it by hot, you see it by top 12 hour.
Early 2010s Reddit was so addicting, if there was something in the world it was on the front page in 15 minutes. I remember being excited to check on Reddit after waking up to see that was the event of the day.
After 2016 the algo was screwed up and it became a cesspool of reposts and news were late to show up.
On Reddit you want to sort by “Rising” for this sort of breaking news stuff.
Now I learn this, 2 months after tossing that platform in the bin.
After years of wondering where the hell the breaking news went…
Yesterday i switched to active for a while, because hot was almost identical to new.
The Future is Federated.
old man
I saw it first on YouTube and got really mad about that
I think it’s only a matter of time. The enshitification of reddit is guaranteed, it’s really inevitable and it’s going to keep getting worse. Long live the Fediverse!
Who would have expected this? Surprised pikachu
But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Yeah, but he was stripped of all of his power. Wagner group is being rolled into the state military. The opportunity for Wagner to push back and or give Putin the boot has passed.
And, this dude was also an evil corrupt piece of shit. If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.
He was a straight-up Neo-Nazi and named the group after Hitler’s favorite composer. So yeah, he would have been infinitely worse than Putin… and that’s saying something.
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BTW, Utkin was also on the passenger list.
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Yeah but a guy with a Stalin pfp told me Ukrainians are the real Nazis /s
This baffles me. That anyone would idolize Nazism is baffling, but particularly Russians. I mean does nobody remember Stalingrad?
Anything you hear from Russia, you can just as well forget, it’s nothing but propaganda, lies, spin, and disinformation. They use Nazi guys like Wagner to fight what they call “Nazis” in Ukraine. It’s the “we fake it so hard that people couldn’t believe it someone would lie that bad” tactic. Never engage with Russia / Russians who aren’t publicly opposed to Putin and the status quo. You can only waste time.
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Yep Prigozhin was a monster. My only regret is that he and Putin didn’t die together with their hands around each other’s throats. And in other news, I think I’ll have tacos for lunch from my favorite local hole-in-the-wall…
When the short insurrection by Wagner was going on, I had hoped so much that Prigo and Putin somehow annihilate each other, or at least the hardliners in military and mercenaries perish in infighting. Sadly, all we got was confusion on that day.
At least if Prigo’s death now ends up being confirmed, there won’t be that much confusion on why it happened, only some details will remain unclear.
My only regret is that he and Putin didn’t die together with their hands around each other’s throats naked.
Wagners are straight up fleeing into neighboring countries and Africa. They must have read the history books about what happens when one warlord assimilates another’s forces (they kill them quietly and easily now that they’re disarmed).
i don’t think, russia and historical knowledge can come together
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Seems like most reasonable folks didn’t think he’d reform Russia. The only “good” he’d cause would be unrest that would force Russia to pull out of invading their democratic neighbors.
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But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Replacing one dictator with another who has the support of something like the Wagner group would not have been good for anyone but the Wagner group.
There would be no clean replacement. It would get very bloody and chaotic. Not a bad hypothetical scenario. But that ship has sailed when Prihozhin surrendered (he didn’t stand much of a chance anyway).
The most surprising thing here is that nine people were willing to get on a plane with Prigozhin. That’s arguably much closer to actual suicide than any of the convenient window deaths that keep happening.
Good thing for Africa for sure.
Not really. Meet your new boss, same as your old boss. Russia isn’t pulling out of Africa.
Clearly more missiles are needed.
The Sahel is full of oil and minerals so the “war on terror” is in full swing.
Somehow I always thought they would poison him. More personal. But if he brought his own water, I suppose this saves everybody some time.
I honestly thought he’d go via the classic window fall, but this was far more original.
It’s not too late for them to identify the body by the “Polonium-210 tracer” he got during check-in.
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It’s not like Putin and his closest cronies are in any way competent. They are removing anyone who dared to criticize. Before the coup Prigozhin, Girkin were allowed to say whatever they wanted as long as they did not undermine the general effort. Now Putin’s inner circle will ultimately disconnect themselves from reality: govern the country and the war from a bunker filled with scared yes-sayers with no alternative voices.
I’m pretty sure Ukraine still opposes Putin so at least we got that.
Lotta windows in airplanes.
Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.
Edit: yeah, this is actually what happened, no subtlety here, damn.
Damn, so he started the uprising again, beginning by brutally slamming a plane into a defenseless russian SAM? /s
Totally an accident of course
I didn’t know airplanes couldn’t handle their polonium.
more windows are reserved only for stauncher enemies.
I’m honestly surprised that he lasted this long
I feel like when the attempted coup fizzled out there was a Russia expert who predicted he’s be dead within 90 days. Sounds like that guy was right.
Honestly didn’t need to be a expert on Russia to predict that
No kidding, literally everyone figured he’d be dead soon. Not sure how he didn’t realize that.
Yeah I just read an article two days ago where he had sent out some videos via telegram showing he was still alive. Kinda surprising, then boom.
Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.
That window of opportunity closed. Wagner got folded into the state military.
No window is ever closed in russia
Makes it easier to
push peopleaccidentally fall out of.Harder to push people out of a closed window.
They have windows in the basement?
if they have it in planes…
golf claps
All that means is that Wagner has infiltrated the Russian military… while pooty might get lucky and get a few knuckleheads, trust and believe the hardcore of the hardcore have gone to ground and are dead set on putting Vlad’s head on a pike
You sly dog lol
One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is “If you’re gonna shoot for the king, don’t miss.”
Furthermore,
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies
-- Machiavelli in the Prince
Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.
He just stopped. It was the most bizarre coup attempt, really.
I mean he had to know, right? With guys like Putin if you go hot, you either kill him or he has you killed. There is no in-between. His entire image relies on that. Maybe they had Prigozhin’s family or something?
“When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die. There is no middle ground.”
The guy wasn’t stupid. He knew going against Putin meant death if he failed. At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work and was faced with a choice: die now, or “back down” to scheme his way out of an almost certain death later. Turns out he couldn’t. ¯\_༼ •́ ͜ʖ •̀ ༽_/¯ Oh well, nothing of value was lost.
I have nothing to add to your comment other than the fact that your text person clearly has a large nose and I think that’s a stylistic choice and I appreciate that as someone who also has a large nose.
Oh, and fuck Putin.
consider yourself rewarded for that comment … thx for the smile
I’m not sure he couldn’t have done it if he’d kept driving into Moscow. The defenses of the city were just in shambles. Almost as bad as Denmark in 1940.
However, having tucked tail he should have known better than to come back.
Now there are rumors that Wagner would stage a second coup attempt if the deaths were confirmed (which they are now).
That would be a complete suicide mission now. 2500%.
Still, interesting times.
Yeah, there’s pretty much no chance with the leaders dead, their camp far from Moscow, no surprise factor, and the potential allies like Surovikin pushed from power. It seems like Putin has completely outplayed them.
At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work
When was that, exactly? Putin fled, reserve forces were standing by and not fighting Wagner, and he was a day out from an undefended Moscow. Worst case scenario was a protracted civil war, but he still would’ve lived longer than this.
Honestly, none of this makes sense. The fact that he aborted in the first place makes the idea that he was conspiring with Putin the whole time to flush out disloyal elements within the Russian armed forces seem credible… but then why kill him after? I’m not ruling out the possibility that either this was a genuine accident, or it was another false flag and he and his second in command just faked their own deaths.
Couldn’t he go hide in like Central America or something? Though I suppose Russian intelligence would still find him and get to him.
Maybe he could hide on the South Pole of the moon.
reportedly he was going back from some african country that day. he also could stay in belarus, but he chose to go back to moscow
To think he avoided drinking polonium tea and falling out of a window and self inflicted gunshot wound to the head for all this time just to die in a freak tragic accident.
Reports are that Moscow’s anti-air fired on the jet… “accidentally.”
Really? Got a source for that?
I haven’t reviewed the veracity myself, I never do until the dust settles. It’s usually a waste of time unless you’re directly impacted.
Kinda seems like they threw the whole plane out the window of the plane.
I love how anyone who is against Putin always gets into “accidents”
Right, definitely a total “accident” How very sad, comrade. If only the pilot had checked for leaking oil lines on the motors before takeoff…
*self-inflicted gunshot to the back of his head
He also avoided Novice. Lucky him.
Hey Putin! I heard Trump talking shit about you.
The whole Western political apperatus has been saying Putin doesn’t have the guts to release any of the compromat he holds on them and that he needs them more than they need him.
I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.
Oh that’s why I fell over my kids’ toys. I’m unimportant but it WAS Putin!
dude, wtf? That literally happened to me today. I was bringing my kid a bowl of strawberries when I stepped right on top of a little toy house. Me on the floor. Strawberries all over the place. And all my kid could say was “wow, that was scary,” and then went back to playing. Savage.
Your kid is metal af
4 year olds, man. They’re ruthless.
would that mean your child is a Russian spy?
Not spy necessarily, but ruthless tool of the Russian system.
Great, so we already have two data points now!
time to interpolate
Insert “I like to extrapolate” meme here
EXPONENTIAL
it’s cause your kids ain’t putin their toys away
From time to time people like to try to bring levity and light to their lives by telling jokes. These jokes can make people smile or laugh and are generally considered as a good thing to make peoples lives better and more bearable.
I hope that helps.
yes, i know, i was doing that. i know how to spell “putting.”
omfglol, do I have egg on my face now
I thought you were autistic and my reply was indeed an attempt at spelling it out for a fellow autiste
fair enough lol no worries
Here’s hoping he had a dead man’s switch that releases tons of kompromat.
Well, Navalny didn’t fall, but Putin attemped to poison him
He didn’t want to birth a martyr
World’s most expected accident victim.
I’m surprised anybody was getting in vehicles with him after the coup attempt.
I know right? Wtf??? I wouldn’t want to be caught dead within 50 square miles of this guy after his coup attempt.
and caught dead, they were
but his tea is amazing. it’s quite hot.
Thank you for flying Prigozihn Airlines. We know you have a choice in airline, and today you chose the wrong one.
Plane must have accidentally ran into a surface-to-air missile. Y’know, as you do.
Classic MH17’d
I heard the plane had marital issues and gambling debt, no surprise it tried to end things on its own. Its unfortunate all the passengers were innocent victims and in no way targeted. /s
Damn that’s a high quality image
I’m so shocked right now. He didn’t fall out of a window?
I mean it’s pretty similar to a really high window
The plane crashed after jumping out of a window.
They are getting more creative…
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Everyone was seated next to a window
Plot twist: the stewardess had a parachute, “fell” out window after hearing “red team go”.
How do you know the plane didn’t have a nice window on it?
He survived the crash, and on the way to the hospital he fell out of a window.
