“Weight Watchers files for bankruptcy as old weight loss scams are supplanted by new weight loss scams”
Fixed the headline for them.
Yeah fuck off.
I’ve been overweight my entire life, over five decades now, and these drugs are nothing short of a miracle.
In addition to changing how my body processes sugar, it kills any desire I have for any particular food as well as hunger.
They like to say that it “silences food noise in your brain” and that works as a description but it doesn’t convey just how truly profound that is.
You can tell that it works, BTW, by how much they charge for it.
I’m down a little more than 30 pounds in 90 days. Given enough time I will be slim/normal for the first time since the 1970s, and I don’t appreciate chucklefucks calling them a scam.
You know what’s a scam? HFCS. Sugar in everything.
These new drugs though - not a scam. At all.
I used to work in public health, and even among educated people there was a lot of prejudice against the idea that addiction was beyond the individuals control.
I’m not claiming to have evidence backing me up, but I fear the idea that addiction is under your control
may be higher among the educated populacemay not be affected by being more highly educated because they’re bought into meritocracy and the idea of improving oneself. ‘Just do this’ platitudes etc. from the crowd that believes everything works like a controlled lab experiment they did in AP BioSpecifically, I was referring to medical professionals and hospital workers I knew. Detox units and rehab was a part of the system, but people who dealt with alcoholics and addicts of all types every day would still say it was a matter of will power and not an illness.
Hey good for you! Keep it up dude.
What was your experience in getting those prescribed? Was it a matter of just being overweight? Did they go over lifestyle changes as well? There was a guy at work that was going to get them prescribed. He was very overweight, but he ate horrible food, a lot of candy, and drank three monsters a day. I’ll admit I got a little judgemental when he mentioned the medication. He was a good guy and I cared about him, but hard to help him see his lifestyle was probably the cause of a lot of his issues. I ultimately didn’t care how he got healthy, if its a pill so be it. But hopefully the lifestyle changes are tried as well. I also think we really need to focus on the mental health aspect of it. He was really hard on himself and I found myself regularly trying to steer him away from that.
You put in more work and he took the easy way and you got the same results. It’s fair to feel like he cheated but he didn’t.
We have better methods of weight loss than starving ourselves and wasting our little free time exercising.
I haven’t read into any of it, but I thought weight watchers was just a calorie counting thing? I’m assuming the new drugs just curb your appetite to allow your stomach to shrink and then you have to still learn to be a healthier eater to maintain/lose weight. I have no impulse control when it comes to food sometimes so I’d fuck that up real quick. If I am in the mindset of eat healthy I can do that for a while, but soon as I have that one day I’ll sit down and eat a whole pizza and not give a fuck which I assume would stretch my stomach or tear any stitches and I’d be back to where I was (or in the hospital)
weight watchers was just a calorie counting thing?
And counseling, according to Wikipedia.
That’s exactly what they help with, they turn off the impulse to eat. You feel full and content… and if you do try force yourself to eat too much you feel sick.
Without the impulse to eat, all you have is the logical part of you deciding an appropriate time to eat and giving you the headspace to make a good decision about making that meal healthy.
Pretty much. Weight watchers worked great if you adhered to it. Pretty easy to lose weight when you eat fewer calories than you burn. Problem is people’s willpower to feel hungry and not eat more calories.
The modern them actually has an app that lets you build out recipes and/or scan barcodes to track what you eat, they use a distilled version of nutrition called “points” and you’re allocated Y points a day to try stay in your food budget.
I think their older system was also points based just not software.
The app has training content and some kind of social community (that people say is quite terrible apparently because of the other users).
It isn’t a bad concept, and helps one understand that a slice of pizza is insanely unhealthy if one didn’t already know that.
Where it falls apart is their skeezy subscription model. Best time to sign up is around New Years, if you do bulk pricing you get a discount for the year, if you sign up partly through the year, that discount only lasts 10, 8, 7 months, however many are left. If you want to get a better rate, even their customer service says to just cancel and then sign back up after you’re canceled. If they had honest flat-rate pricing and curated their social space/education material better, they’d likely have had something to offer…Instead, like most health tracking/exercise/apps that cost money, it’s difficult to manage, expensive, and abrasive to cancel.
Like so many businesses that went “app” - they didn’t embrace a usable and sustainable model that fit on a digital platform, and instead basically phoned it in.
Weight Watchers is basically eating in moderation, its most definitely not a scam.
One could argue that paying a subscription to not over-eat is a scam similar to the way gyms prey on people and get them to sign up while expecting that they’ll only come once or twice.
One could say that, but they would be wrong lol
While I’ve not taken them, though I’ve thought about it, I’ve met people who have. It’s shocking how well those drugs work. Both of them were super happy with the results and could probably be sales reps, to be honest. One was even proud to share her before photo, because she wanted to drive home just how well it worked. No one believed her until she showed the photos.
people will do anything to avoid eating a healthy diet and exercising. I lost 120lbs in just over 2 years from walking and eating low carb real food.
Once again, carbs are not the problem. Italian and French people eat tons of carbs and are way healthier than Americans
The easiest way to boil down weight loss is calories in calories out. If you are in a surplus, you will in most cases gain weight (with some deviance based on genetics and other bodily factors). Lots of carbs is fine if you have a lot of calories out. European people usually have walkable cities, and the infrastructure there promotes lots of calories out on a day to day basis. America is a lot more car centric. The average american has less calories out because walking/cycling is uncommon in most of the US. Coupled with the standard caloric dense american food, it’s easy to see how we are struggling with an obesity problem.
Low carb is just one way to cut down on how many calories you intake. Nothing wrong with it, and there are obviously many other ways to go about it.
Plus, personal anecdote – carbs don’t curb my hunger as quickly as protein and fat do. On a heavy protein day, I snack little to nil.
Thats accurate. Carbohydrates are much more easily broken down to its simple states, while proteins require more to be broken down to amino acids, so it makes you feel full longer. Fibers are also another way to stay feeling full. They’re not digestible, so it takes up space and makes you feel full without adding calories.
Your entire comment, which is correct btw, is agreeing with my point that carbs are not the problem
Yes, but there is a difference between grains and refined sugar and high glucose corn syrup.
I agree. I don’t think my homemade bread with 4 ingredients is a problem
Congrats! It’s not easy! I dropped 60 lbs the same way. It’s the only thing that works long term since you have to retrain your body and mind, learn new habits, and build interest in maintaining it.
That’s sort of what Ozempic does though. It reduces the desire to eat large amounts of unhealthy food.
If those things reduced people’s weight in a reasonable time frame then they would do that.
Don’t expect slaves to have the time, money, and energy to spend hundreds of hours to be an attractive weight.
lol
Keep ignoring the reasons people use drugs and getting mad at the drugs i guess lol
I’m so mad!
😂
I lost 0lbs from not being fat. (I’m sorry I don’t think you’re fat but I had to write this all out, it’s a disease of the mind)
And people will do anything to avoid addressing the simple fact that human bodies aren’t designed to lose weight. Decent folks don’t give a fuck about superfluous anomalous nonsense like this.
They aren’t designed they’re evolved, but that’s not important right now.
Actually, it is important. The reason being that that’s not what that word means. People who deserve the death penalty love to deny it, but human beings simply are not designed to lose weight.
Maybe we’ve just embraced being fat.
I only wish.
seems like an excuse
Honestly I thought they went belly-up after it turned out Oprah was full of shit
This is unfortunate. WW is hard because they help you lose in a healthy manner. Drugs will kill ya faster than fat, but at least ya look better faster.
We all wish there was a safe, easy button for life’s challenges. At best, pick one.
Drugs will kill ya faster than fat
This is just plain false. The health benefits of not being overweight far outweigh any potential negative effects of the drug itself. GLP-1 receptor agonists have been used to treat type 2 diabetes for decades - we’re quite familiar with their risks.
alot of people want a quick fix when it comes to weight loss, dr now and 1000sisters, almost every just want a immediate solution while refusing to change thier eating habits. ive heard they also eat around thier weight loss surgery sometimes too. i was following a female fitness instructor on yt one time.
the extreme people in denial are the people believe fat is being good.
Doesn’t ww sell frozen food? That food isn’t healthy.
Frozen processed food isn’t inherently unhealthy. Eating the right amount of calories from nutritious processed food is still probably a net positive over eating too much of any kind of food.
I’m pretty sure it’s not, but I’ll eat that before rushing gastroparesis.
Their food has high sodium. At least it did 15 years ago.
Their food has high sodium. At least it did 15 years ago.
Isn’t high sodium only a problem if your blood pressure is too high? I have asked this a number of times and the only answers I get back about high sodium dangers are related to high blood pressure. Keep in mind, I’m not belittling the dangers of high blood pressure. Those are known and absolutely dangerous to your health.
However, if whatever sodium you intake doesn’t give you high blood pressure, where is the risk in a high(er) sodium diet?
It all increases your risk of cancer.
It’s associated with increased risk of colorectal cancer yes
whats with all the fat phobia
