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Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
Buying a game post-launch:
- Better prices; often on sale.
- Fixed and patched up.
- Extra content often included.
- DRM often removed.
No brainer, imo.
You forgot a bonus point:
- Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?
not for digital games.
Cons:
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maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
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Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
What VPN and where are you located?
Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.
Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.
I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.
Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
You get what you pay for. You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.
Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.
These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.
If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.
Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
well cheaters sure do ruin online games…
That’s anticheat, not drm
i know
I’m more and more convinced that Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.
Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.
I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.
I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴☠️
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.
Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.
Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.
I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.
While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.
Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.
anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
IdBethesdaMicrosoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
GoG has DRM-free games: https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Oh no?
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
My recommendation is:
Temperature: 10000
Brightness: -10
Hue: 0 (default)
Contrast: 120
Saturation: 165
Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.
HDR is the key.
Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.
how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Oh holy shit.
I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance
