- It’s $80
- It’s on Gamespass, where I assume a lot of doom fans who might have otherwise purchased are likely to be.
- It’s shouldered up against Expedition 33 and Oblivion Remake, both over $20 cheaper and highly acclaimed.
- It’s $80
- (Edit) shitty DRM
Oh & denuvo
Mostly this. I’m not paying for something that comes with malware. Not for $80, $20, or $1. Nobody should pay for malware.
Yup. I would have bought Persona 5 Royale and SMT V on day one, if there was no Denuvo. I normally don’t open my wallet for $60 games.
Super Robot Wars Y? Not on my radar anymore. Denuvo has cost the companies at least $300+, and I am not a rich dude.
I might create a VM to play it for $1 tbf. But yeah I think I’m drawing the line at $5 for anything with denuvo
Denuvo is the only reason I’m waiting. I’m on Linux, and I’m not risking that Proton change license issue. And also I hate the performance hit that Denuvo causes.
Proton ? What’s up with that ?
Denuvo will revoke your licence to play a game if it thinks you’ve installed the game on computers with different hardware. Issue is it gets confused by changing the proton version that runs the game, thinking it’s a new install on a new computer, and so quickly bans you from playing the game.
Oh now I get the picture, jesus it’s that bad huh
That, unfortunately https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/ namely that each new Proton “install” e.g. switching version because there is a bug counts as a new install which are limited.
For the bigger picture https://www.defectivebydesign.org/
I just wished GOG put more effort, because their Anti-DRM stance is cool AF. I recently bought The Earth-2150 trilogy from GOG
Where is it $80?
80€ in Steam Spain.
79,99€ in Germany
I am interested, but not that much to pay more than 20€ in a sale in a few years. It was the same with Doom Eternal. And I haven’t bought it to this day 😅
Maybe it will never be bought 🤷🏻♂️
Not in Australia, it’s $120 here.
Todd, Marty, Phil and Satya can suck an egg together.
Steam, the cheapest I see it as is 79,99€ where I am, which is actually US$90. I just assumed the US store did a straight numeral conversion to dollars, but you’re getting a discount too, it seems.
up against Expedition 33
I mean… I don’t play Doom due to DRM but also to be fair Expedition 33, which I’m enjoying quite a lot on Linux, is “just” 40ish hours whereas Doom is (check notes) less than 20hrs to complete? WTH. Nope.
20 and 40 hours both sound pretty terrible for such expensive games. Got far more out of games like Factorio and for a lot less.
I’d rather have a 20 hour game that is engaging the entire time than a game that has a ton of filler in it.
Factorio is engaging the entire time. Not a massive fan on story games because that severely limits the playtime you get from the game.
Yep, different style of games. I need to give Factorio another shot, it seems really up my alley but I couldn’t get into it.
Also… I think you missed this one… It’s $80.
Also, it reviewed well but with some annoying caveats.
Gonna wait for a code and a sale in a year
Seeing how they screwed over Mick Gordon, the composer for the previous two installments, I’ll vote with my wallet and skip this one. My backlog is big enough as it is anyway.
Doom Eternal is a beautiful album that includes a lovely mini-game.
Edit: a lot of “wooshing” in the replies, but I blame it on myself.
Same
meant to mislead potential players into thinking the game is successful when, in fact, it’s severely underperforming behind the scenes.
Why would a player in a single-player game give a tiny shit about how popular it is? It’s the investor class that cares about that; stop treating their interests as a natural good.
It’s a bad game
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It’s old lunacy. Believe it or not we live in a class based society where the vast majority of the people that actually provide value to society have their labor stolen by leeches that make money by having money and that is what that person means by the investor class.
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Oh, I never thought of it like that.
What a great criticism! You’re obliviously someone who has thought long and hard about this topic
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Dude/Dudette…
What… what the fuck is your entire account?
You have like a weeks worth of recent comments, and 90% of them you are downvoted to oblivion, just no matter what comm you are, what you are talking about, its just you being insufferable and/or contrarian and/or confidently wrong.
Then further back than that, 2, 3 months, you have some actually informative and useful comments, funny commentary most people liked, and that just keeps going.
Did your account get hacked? Did you suffer a TBI. Get fired, partner broke up with you?
Like I really am not trying to be a dick here, you good man/gal?
You come back after about 2 months of absence and you are now seemingly intentionally just trying to be shitty basically all the time.
Thanks for taking the time to check, blocked them.
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I guess licking boots gives you a lot of time to think. What’s your favorite flavor of polish?
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That term is decades old, it’s fine if you haven’t heard it before but maybe consider that possibility before replying like that and looking like an asshole.
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Then you are either willfully ignorant or a troll, in either case not worth my time.
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Are you mad at them for using the term or mad at someone else for coining the term? Or mad at everyone for using a term you had never heard before?
everyone is an investor and a shareholder
This is Lemmy; everything is politics and it’s really fun and mentally healthy
everything is politics
Literally this
it’s really fun and mentally healthy
Uh oh, someone’s upset their world view is challenged by people pointing out life’s problems!
Sounds healthy…
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Marty Stratton and his denuvo riddled pos game can kindly get fukt after what he did to Mick Gordon, the composer of the banger soundtrack for Doom 2016.
https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce
Holy fucking shit! I live under the rock in the middle of nowhere so I’ve heard only some brief parts of “something wrong with DOOM Eternal music” but nothing factual. Now I gave the time to read the whole article and I’m speechless. 'Cause this is bad, really, really, REALLY bad. I feel sorry for people that have to work and live under such assholes like Marty obviously is…
Yea, I read that a few weeks ago and it convinced to not touch Doom TDA. I mean, maybe pirate it, but certainly not buy it.
Wow. I already wasn’t going to buy any more Bethesda slop, but now I’m not going to buy it twice.
Let’s see
- The game itself takes away a lot of pieces of the formula that made 2016 and Eternal so good
- $80 price tag
- BDS boycott
- Denuvo
I’m shocked that it’s not selling, absolutely shocked.
And also, for some of us:
- Boycott due to Mick Gordon’s treatment.
TRUE, I knew I was forgetting something else
BDS boycott? Can you explain this? I’m not sure what BDS is or what the boycott is lol
BDS is a global movement calling for boycotts, divestment and ultimately sanctions of Israel and companies complicit in Israels illegal occupation and other crimes against the Palestinian people.
Microsoft provides AI tools to the Israeli army -IDF- which are used to automatically designate people as targets for bombing. Among other things a particular heinous AI is infamously named “Where’s Daddy”, where bombings are timed so that the target is killed upon arriving home, so their entire family is also murdered.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-israel-military-gaza-hamas-artificial-intelligence-20b2adb438b39ee9cb6eb2f52c1ae44aActivision Blizzard, Bethesda, iD-Software, Zenimax, Mojang (Minecraft) and others are all owned by Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Gaming_studios
Grazie
Microsoft (and by extension id and Bethesda) are a priority target for the BDS boycotts against Israel
All set thanks
Google says BDS stands for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (against Isreal.)
Ahhh thank you makes sense. I was searching my brain for controversies with Bethesda/Id.
Since the company boyscotts BDS. I guess it means the company is pro Isreal.
The DRM kept me from buying it
Well it has Denuvo… I wasn’t buying that shit
It’s ironic that they attach third-party software to prevent piracy out of fear of losing sales, but in the end, it actually causes them to sell fewer copies. lol
I don‘t buy any digital copy of a game for over 45 bucks, doesn‘t matter what it is… I also haven‘t finished DOOM 2016 yet and haven‘t even started Eternal. Not because they‘re bad games or because I don‘t like FPSs, but because I have so much shit to play and so little time.
Competition is fierce and asking 80 bucks when I got the predecessors for less than 5 each is just not happening. Just because games cost more to produce doesn‘t magically make customers have more money and time. It‘ll make release weeks stinkers outside of your GOTYs and makes more people wait or go back to 20+ years worth of other games that aren‘t 80 bucks.
$20 is the limit for me. I’m perfectly fine waiting a few years to play the game, if it still exists by that point. If it doesn’t, then I’m glad I didn’t waste my time.
And another plus is that you get to play the games as bug free as they‘ll get AND at higher framerates assuming your hardware improved in the meantime. I certainly wouldn‘t have been able to get the high fidelity DOOM 2016 experience I can get now (at a high framerate) way back when it released.
Downside is that if there‘s any multiplayer component to a game, it‘s probably pretty damn dead years later. But first, I personally don‘t care much about that anymore and second, games bleed the majority of their playerbase within months anyway so it‘s whatever.
Games cost more to produce but there’s more customers than ever
Amen.
It’s also 80€ in Europe. Everyone I talked to is waiting for the price to drop, including me.
It’s £70 in the uk, that’s $95 while in the us it costs $70, which is £50. Xbox did the same thing with the new call of duty, their regional pricing is so braindead.
Historically AAA games have been £10 less than the us counter part ($60 games were £50) and making this change is so stupid.
I just aquired a value cap to my interest in digital entertainment. Using the vacation money on living/home improvements and built for life camping gear. €25 indie rpg’s and films for the tablet is enough but then again I have no teenage children that demand top shelf brands or else.
I just barely convinced myself to spend €80 on a single game, then noticed Denuvo. Hard pass
Honestly, Doom Eternal really soured me on the franchise. I loved the original Doom games, loved 3 and played the absolute shit out of Doom 2016.
Then Eternal turned into a fucking frustration fest with all its platforming. I still haven’t finished it. Now the new one reinvents Doom yet again. And there’s somehow dragons?
Man, I’m fucking done. Give me more of that 2016 Doom or don’t bother.
I’m on the same page as you re: Eternal. The first hour out so was fun, and the graphics are neat, but it stops feeling like a Doom game pretty quickly. It doesn’t even feel like a Quake game, which would at least be tolerable.
Will probably give this one a shot eventually when it’s on discount, but not in a hurry.
God I miss Quake. That was such a great series. Can you imagine what they could do with that on modern tech? I’d love to see a quake reboot a la 2016 Doom. That would be fucking awesome.
We can dream
Quake. That was such a great series. Can you imagine what they could do with that on modern tech?
Based on everything Ive seen… theyd ruin Quake too
Yeah, I’d buy a DLC for 2016 right now but I doubt I’ll buy Dark Ages, at least not until it’s on sale.
I also liked Doom 2016 and it worked well on Linux. I’m sad to hear that the later ones weren’t as good.
Do you know of any games similar to Doom 2016 that you’d recommend? I liked how it didn’t waste time trying to tell a story, usually I’d watch a movie or read a book if I want a good story. Doom had enjoyable steady action and I felt like I could enjoy it for half an hour at a time without needing much time to get into it.
I honestly don’t mind some story in games. Heck, I’ve got hundreds of hours in Skyrim and other RPG’s. Doom to me is run & gun. Doom 2016 had the perfect amount of story for a Doom game.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything else quite like it. If there is, I don’t know it. Most other shooters are either COD, SciFi, retro FPS or stuff like Borderlands that leans into comedy.
If this was ‘back in the day’, closest recommendation to it would likely be something like the Quake series. That’s id’s own successor to the original Doom. Sadly also long dead.
Good news then because Dark Ages is extremely different than Eternal and a lot of people who didn’t like that game but loved 2016 are happy with it. I’m not saying rush out and spend $70 on it, but give it a go when it’s on sale down the line and you might end up really pleased with it.
Eternal was too hard for me. Love Dark Ages.
Game is 70$ on Steam US and has a very positive review. That is still too much money unless this is a game you were really looking forward to.
After Eternal, I’m not interested in this one. 2016 was fantastic, but Eternal felt all over the place. It tried to tell a story but skipped the entire second “book” between the two games, making it feel unfinished trilogy.
Then there’s the difficulty, easy was too easy, and normal was too hard. I shouldn’t have to choose between surviving 10+ hits (easy) or dying in 3-4 (normal). That’s not balance. And I don’t have the time to ‘git gud’ when the difficulty jump is this extreme.
Considering they already had to tweak difficulty in The Dark Ages, it looks like they’re still struggling to get the scaling right
I would have bought it if it didn’t have denuvo. I’ll wait til its stripped out.
The raytracing requirement is fine but having to deal with denuvo is a bridge too far.
Why does it need anti cheat? It’s a single player game.
Denuvo’s DRM instead of anti-cheat.
Though I also was wondering the same thing. Took me a minute to remember lmao.
In the UK its £70 ($95) for the base game and £100 ($135) for the full game. Bethesda go fuck yourself.
Edit: Title is somewhat dishonest, it has over 3M players. Just that most are on gamepass. Still not buying it though.
