This is great.
9? pft try living in Alaska when the sun rises at 1 AM. And the other half the year is nonstop crushing darkness.
I love the long days lol
Do you know how depressing it is to only experience the sun while at work and not outside of it in the winter?
As someone who works all day, commutes, and then has to sleep, I don’t understand this viewpoint.
What am I going to do with extra daylight after work? I’m still just going home and then to bed. It’s not like I’m taking an excursion to the lake at 8pm when I’ve got to be up at 5am to get ready for work.
Especially those times of year where you’re in the office before the sun rises, and leave after it sets. Oh, and you work in a windowless room.
Been there. Starting at 7:30am, before dawn. Finishing at 4:30pm, after sunset. Fine I’ll just go without any daylight for 5 days per week then.
Yes, I do know. Funny thing because I normally don’t care about going out and such. But going to work before sunrise and going home after sunset is depressing.
Yes. It creates a weird mind-fuck where i actually like a thing about my job, and the corporation has spared me a great evil.
Better than winter depression. Better than recognizing it’s getting dark, wondering where the day has gone but it’s only 16:30. Better than waking up in the darkness and realising it’s still two or three hours till sunrise. Better than going to work before the sun rises and getting home after it sets, only seeing the sun like an image, a distant promise when looking out the window at work.
Fuck the sun
No, fuck you.
Seeing the sun rise over the snow as you take the train to work can be quite nice though. Who am i kidding we only get proper snow every 5 years now.
You act like the sun is good to be around and does something other than give you cancer.
Also, how the hell do you enjoy outside at like 50c/112f?
You act like the sun […] does something other than give you cancer.
Have you ever heard about vitamin d (no dick jokes, I dare you!)?
Also, how the hell do you enjoy outside at like 50c/112f?
You live in the wrong region, my friend.
vitamin d
No sorry, havent fucked a trans woman in forever.
wrong region
Where the hell do you live that it’s measured in k!?
Edit: it’s not transphobia! I don’t think! General dry spell, and trans women aren’t that common! Im not going to touch men, and nb’s seem to be able to read my entire tankie convention of red flags.
Go and troll somewhere else, kid.
go troll somewhere else
You did basically beg me to
kid
So, what, rankine? Where the fuck uses rankine?
It’s much preferred over pitch black darkness at 3:30pm in the winter…
I think you’re forgetting that night time is cool and day time is for losers.
People who bark about diurnal superiority are losers.
depends where you live
It’s a lot less cool when you’re robbed the option of day time entirely, because you have to spend daylight hours at work…you wake up, its dark…you leave work, its dark. And on top, it’s rainy and cold and windy.
How far north do you live to get darkness at 3.30 pm?
Its also not a choice between ops pictures and this because i am convinced they are criticising daylight saving In summer, which does not affect winter.
That’s around the same latitude as Kiel in Northern Germany. Go up to Stockholm and it sets around 2:45 pm at the earliest.
Yes, it is mocking DST.
Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn’t have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.
DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.
Why on earth would that be preferable? Unless you get up at 5am the morning sunlight is wasted, and you have less sun to enjoy in the evenings
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
I would rather have more summer sun in the cool morning before work than the blazing hot sun in the evenings after work. I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
DST sucks my sweaty balls!
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.
I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country
You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.
First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn’t even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn’t have to follow DST for work then it wouldn’t matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn’t what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world’s average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn’t come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
Objectively,
Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.
Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)
Subjectively,
Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.
Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30
DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is “normal” time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.
“Standard” time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.
Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.
Locking the clocks on normal, “summer” time solves the problems with the time change. The “kids walking to school in the dark” problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.
DST also makes no real difference here, if its sunrise at 4:30am and sundown at 11:30pm or sunrise at 3:30am and sundown at 10:30pm doesn’t matter whatsoever.
I live just about in the middle of Norway. It’s nearly always dark in the winter and nearly always light in summer.
Sorry, but I prefer this to winter days where I don’t see the sun at all because it’s only up while I’m at work.
But sometimes when there’s snow and you have the moon shining it’s just unbelievably pretty. But yeah, I’ll take more sun over less anytime.
They’re equally awful but in their own ways.
No. No i think roasting when you open your front door is worse.
does depend on where you live tho. up north the summers aren’t so bad
Okay, yes, im sure in the arctic circle i would love the temperate evenings.
Seattle has an awesome summer and it’s not even that far north. San Francisco’s is downright chilly!
I don’t mind high temperatures on their own, but I’ll die if they’re combined with high humidity.
Sorry, but over 105f you literally die. At 115 it feels like an oven outside.
105 femtowhat? I have no idea what those numbers mean.
Thats fair. ~4(3?)c. The temp your brain cooks at.
They’re both equally just fine imo. During winter it can be really bright with snow and sunshine feels so much better and during summer I just get heavier curtains.
As a northern dweller I love the sun up at 9-10pm, sun up at 3AM not so much, especially because it also wakes the birds up
Your attitude is entirely dependant on your latitude my natty dude
If I were near the equator: is this a joke I’m too 0° lat to understand?
Yea, here in New Orleans the sun is setting around 7:30. Elsewhere in the post people are talking about the sung going down at 9:00 in Germany. So I looked it up and apparently New Orleans is further south than Cairo.
X-Files in Alaska:
Fox: “Why is the school closed on a weekday?”
Mulder: “It’s 10PM Fox.”
He’s talking to himself? Must be the lack of sleep.
Uh, I’ve never actually seen the show, but I’m pretty sure Fox Mulder is the guy and something Scully is the lady.
Dana Scully.
Fun fact; she wasn’t allowed to play an FBI agent in anything else for a long time as to not dilute the Scully character
22:40 here
Iceland?
Denmark
I wish, Toronto is too far east in its timezone so the sun is up too early and goes down too early
Lol what? Toronto is basically smack dab in the centre of the eastern time zone, if anything it’s a little west of the true centre which I think is NYC
cries in Montreal
But more evening sun means better light for evening events. I don’t know of too many early morning events other than work/commute and fuck the boss’ extra 5% productivity from the average person, I’d rather drive in the dark.
More evening sun means my night needs to start later, and the world doesn’t get pretty til late
“I love everything about nights but I can’t stand the day, the sun melts calmness away.”
-Bracket
Your logic doesn’t make sense. In other threads you’re arguing that you can’t go out when it’s hot, so stay inside instead. That’s how you get ready for bed anyway, by staying inside. How does the sunsun staying up later change your night routine at all?
Guess what it does do? Make afternoon outdoor activities much safer. Biking, rock climbing, running, literally any outdoor activity is much safer in daylight.
Youre assuming
- I never want to go outside. That it would be healthy to do that.
I want to avoid the sun. Dinner outside at my favorite restaurant, fucking on a famous homophobe’s grave, third outdoor activity normal people do.
2A. Afternoon activities
So do them in rhe afternoon during the two hours it’s light out!
2B. Safer!
Heat and heat stroke are hazards too.
- Staying inside is good for sleeping anyway
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
Your logic gets more and more obtuse. You want to go outside, but you want to avoid the sun, you want to do activities outside, but only in a two hour timespan (completely ignoring commuting and that many activities take longer than that). You talk about heat stroke like it’s happening to every single person who goes outside.
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
This comment makes even less sense. You want to be outside, but you don’t want sun, but you want to sleep when it’s 8 pm, but that’s the coolest time of the day if it’s not dst. Like seriously, none of your argument makes sense. And fyi, I spend the majority of my day outside. Even working from home, I’ll work in a hammock outside. But I’m also not the average person. The average person commutes to a location to work and then has to come back home, get ready for their activities and then go from there. All of your suggestions are completely at odds with that.
And fyi, shade exists. This is honestly one of the most troll conversations I’ve ever participated in, acting like the sun burns you the second you step outside and you want to be outside without the sun. If you want to be outside without the sun then go out when it’s dark. You can wake up at your normal 5am time and get a great amount of dark cool weather. And the rest of us can live normally.
Sorry i can’t telk if you’re a morning ‘person’ or a troll.
Tbh id settle for a split difference, just get rid of the time shift. It’s more of an issue in the winter.
Basing everything on our system of description rather than using a rich descriptive system to define things is the problem of so much of our shit.
I love it, for real. Short winter days suck, especially after going back to standard time. Having light in the evening is wonderful.
You are wrong and i prefer the outdoors being remotely habitable.
Even at like -40, theres gear to make it tolerable. At 100f/40c, it’s just an oven, and even survivors will need shower+salt
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You can adapt to high temps. Drink water and consume enough electrolytes, and your body will learn to be more adept at keeping itself cool. Meanwhile, your brain will get used to high temps. The problem is that you are avoiding the heat, which means your body never adapts.
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For heavy exercise, simply do it earlier or later in the day when temps are cooler. Warmer regions developed the siesta for a reason.
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If you really hate it so much, move.
You can ada0t to medium high temps. You can survive 90f, even 100f.
You cannot adapt to 115f. You go inside, or you die.
hate it so much, move
Okay so you don’t understand that youre talking to anither human and just think disagreement is a kind of attack.
Okay so you don’t understand that youre talking to anither human and just think disagreement is a kind of attack.
No. I think that moving is an underutilized option. If you live in Alaska but hate the cold, move. If you live in Alabama but hate gun nuts, move. If you live in Briton and hate… being miserable as a lifestyle, then move!
Like, there are all sorts of ways to mitigate unhappiness. But at the end of the day, if something intrinsic to the place you live is really making you unhappy, then there is an obvious answer.
Cool, so, will you pay for me to move? Cover work while i get setyled in a new part of the world and find that?
Find me someplace i won’t be murdered for personal/demographic reasons with wither i like?
All I can say to that is - can’t do attitudes can’t do anything. You created a list of problems, and are acting like they are unsolveable, instead of seeing them as a checklist of things to get done to obtain a better life.
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It’s hot & humid here in the subtropics but even so I love this season the most. I was born here and grew up without AC so adapted I guess. Being still in the shade with a breeze I am comfortable up to a pretty high temp but here the summer has afternoon storms that cool it a little so the evening, while hot, is usually 25-27 not 40.
Our indoor AC is set to 26. That feels cool enough in the summer, so evening is comfortable.
I cannot get comfortable in the cold, no amount of clothing seems to work, I just don’t generate that much heat.
Riding home on the bike is MUCH safer in the daylight too.
safer
Coward! More seriously; solvable by making car use dangerous.
40
40 is a lot, but thats kind of the upper limit. Lot of places get hotter than that now.
not endothermic
Oh, cool toy time! get chemical warmers, battery warmer, etc. They exist and are simple.
The time doesn’t affect the weather. It’s still going to be hot or cold out for the exact same length of time. Time zone changes only affect whether you’re working or playing at those times. I’d rather have the option than be forced to be working when the sun is out.
Living by our kinda-bullshit abstractions we made to describe reality and avoid deeper understanding as if that were material reality, in defiance of material reality.
You live in a waking lie, you drown in a sea of bullshit, you propagate a cognitive disease. Please stop.
You have a problem dude. You can’t even form coherent sentences, much less come up with an argument that works for yourself much less the majority of people on earth.
I apologize for resorting to poetry in the obvious failure of empathy and prose.
One of the reasons why i vehemently hate summer. The other one is temperature. And another one is people. Too much people.
What if I told you that ALL the seasons have people in them? Kinda gross to think too much about it.
That’s what I forgot to add. True, but summertime here is full of shitty tourists, while local people spend more time outside making annoying and noisy parties.
Seconded. I’d rather sunset at 4:30 and freezing my ass off than torturing myself with the summer heat that comes with the late sun.
You seem like a well adjusted person that is fun at parties.
Oh. I forgot to add I also hate parties.
