• BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    From the shitty artist compensation, to the AI content, to their exclusive deals with Joe Rogan you need another reason to stop using Spotify???

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    30 days ago

    Either buy the albums from the musicians or pirate that shit and just pay to see them in concert. Fuck all these companies.

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    Yes, Spotify is not an ethical company. However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing. Germany is just two doors down from Russia.

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      However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing.

      I would argue that spotify ceo doesn’t give a shit about europe achieving defense independence (the company donated money to trump). I would also argue that europe pretty much already spend in war as much russia does and that wasting public money in war is not a good thing.

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    29 days ago

    Kind reminder that no streaming platform is very good on the ethical front. There are no ethical alternatives because the root of the problem is the legal strangle hold labels and record companies keep on artists and commercial music distribution.

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      29 days ago

      The ethical alternative is listening to mp3s straight from your own hard-drive, just like we did in the '50s.

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          then do that. If you don’t have enough space, get an external hard drive. If you want convenience, you can attach the hard drive to a raspberry pi and access the music from anywhere. You’ll probably never get as convenient as spotify, but hey, you gotta decide what your values are and if that means being a streaming-vegan then that’s the sacrifice you gotta make.

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            I feel like there is a step missing here. Do you mean physically take the raspberry pi and HD with you (I mean, you could but it’s not terribly elegant) or are you talking about just setting it up to stream the music.

            If your referring to streaming, is there a program you can recommend to easily stream it outside of you home network? I.e. access anywhere.

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              Leave it at your home network.

              The simplest solution IMO is to access it via an SSH or SFTP connection. I have these connections bookmarked in my file browser, so I can open them up just like any folder on my hard drive.

              Some people use jellyfin as a client which has a kind of netflix-like interface. I haven’t researched to find out if there’s anything with a more spotify-like interface.

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                I’ve used jellyfin for years but never tried to remotely access it. From what I’ve read you pretty much have to use something like Tailscale. It’s something I will probably give a shot at some point.

                I have never used SSH or SFTP. I will have to look into that. I automatically assumed that to access my files remotely I would need to pay for a static IP address. I’m assuming this is not the case? I’ll have to read up on it.

                Thanks for the info. Time for me to dust off the raspberry pi 4 and play around with it a bit.

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                  Instead of paying for a static IP address, you can pay for a domain name and have a script on your home network update the domain name to point to your current IP address once a day. It’s a pretty common practice.

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        I have found a bunch of my new favorite songs this year on Jellyfin. Some of them are pretty old too, lol.

        It worked pretty well doing it the old human-based way, where I got a bunch of albums because I liked the band or even just a particular song. Listening through those or just playing the whole pile on shuffle led me to find plenty of gems that I stuck in my playlist.

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        Not actively, they stopped trying to make money long ago. Since 2018 you can’t buy anything from them and artists are leaving. No new releases since then, of course.

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          I suppose that is to be expected. They were really not noticed, and spotify more or less put every other option out of business.

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      29 days ago

      Tidal puts artists first, and pretty awesome.

      Can’t promise that’s how they are forever, but that’s how they are today.

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      Well sure, since you ask… Spotify might be crap, and the CEO is… Well, the usual shit person CEOs tend to be. That doesn’t make physical media any better, digital media is by far much much better in many ways. Specially if you go sailing with your wooden leg and hook hand and parrot on the shoulder. You don’t want to carry all the extra weight of physical media while sailing… And if artists sell directly their music even better, I always support artists selling on their own without intermediaries.

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        Hip hop was created when a generation of poor kids inherited their parents music collection. Some artists benefitted.

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    Is there another music streaming service around, so I can leave? I use it damn near everyday and the accessibility is what I crave.

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      I switched to Tidal a couple years ago and I’m happy enough with it. It’s cheaper than the comparable membership tier I was paying for with Spotify. The higher fidelity streaming is nice and supposedly it pays artists the most over any other steaming service. Their recommendation algorithm doesn’t index so heavily on your favorite tracks like Spotify’s does, so I’m discovering new music a lot more.

      The UX isn’t quite as smooth as Spotify’s. I can’t cast from the browser app and it doesn’t remember what I’m listening to between devices. When I first switched there were a lot more bugs but I haven’t noticed as many over the last year.

      After Tidal inevitably succumbs to corporate rot, I’ll be switching to owning my own collection and self-hosting. But until then, I’m happy with Tidal.

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        Tidal is owned by Square (the mobile payment app/company), and I think Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) owns that. So, probably safe to say it’s already pretty corporate.

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              This is just the first article I found

              https://fortune.com/2024/10/30/jack-dorsey-layoffs-streaming-music-app-tidal-block-leaked-email/

              Honestly I respect the way he called musk on his bluff and forced him to pay 40+ Billion for Twitter, but this article cements him as an asshole in my book. Whenever you see a CEO saying “we need to function like a startup” what they really mean is “I have no fucking clue how to run this business, so I’m going to go back to the one thing that worked for me”, not realizing that it was mostly luck not startup culture that cemented their early success.

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                Talking in CEO speak seems pretty mild compared to being on the board of an AI military company. I know there is no perfect billionaire so I’m not going to advocate for Dorsey. But if that is the worse thing about Tidal, I think I’ll still support it.

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                  Sure! I was just trying to answer the question. I’d point out that his current attitude is exactly how enshitification starts, so the writing may be on the wall for Tidal. After all, it was started as a passion project by a group of actual musicians and then sold, so the soul of it is likely gone too.

                  Spotify used to be the good guys, too.

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              As someone who was briefly interested in his podcast/video blogs, it becomes highly apparent that his approach to everything - even something as personal as music - is completely backwards and wholly centered on poor metrics around perceived efficiency as opposed to anything remotely logical. His ideas are fully derivative of the latest trends in the worst way while missing the point on how to implement them in any kind of reasonable way. He’s just another member of the modern-category Silicon Valley CEO: hoodwink everyone, hop on bandwagons, get yours first for the least amount of cost, market yourself as an enigma, who cares about the actual product, when in doubt do lay-offs.

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        Isnt Tidal responsible for the problems of high quality music formats like .ogg? Making it hard to find and download from them.

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      Honestly thata the issue I ran into. Napster and tidal were both in the running for a minute, both were more expensive, tidal is ran by Jay z and Napster is owned by a tech bro. Honestly, I’m more inclined to go back to cd.

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        Its such a massive PitA to self-host things. Dont get me wrong I love the idea of it, it works in theory, and then you get an update for one of the multiple services you have to run to make it work ex-prem, or your isp does some funky stuff and drops out. There is such a massive time sink into self hosting that its not a reliable answer for 90% of people.

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        Yep, I’ve started buying all my media again, even music. Don’t want my copy of a movie to get censored, don’t want my music to get delisted.

        The only exception is games. Damn you, steam, for being so awesome in every way except ownership.

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            All we can do is fight when the time comes. Hopefully his successor has the same values as him.

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          I’m absolutely there on movies, even running my own jellyfin, but I listen to such a wide variety that I don’t even know where to start getting some of them in physical.

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            You don’t necessarily need to buy physical to own. Most of my music comes from Bandcamp in the form of FLAC and mp3, but I have CDs and vinyl as well.

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                Bandcamp is where it’s at! If you are ever dissatisfied with the music industry’s proliferation of stupid and samey music, Bandcamp will surely have something for you.

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      I use a Revanced YouTube Music app that doesn’t play any ads, and it functions almost exactly like Spotify.

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          There’s a Revanced community on Lemmy, and they have a discord with all kinds of resources and tutorials to help get it all set up.

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            Revanced is a project that works exclusively with YT content as far as I can tell, right? This is an interesting project, i will try to follow along.

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      Do you have money? If so, buy music you like from the artists. Bandcamp is pretty good (though they sold out, and might enshittify).

      I’ve been buying music for years and have a big library now

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        30 days ago

        Is there anywhere that guarantees access to purchases forever? Ive purchased music in the past from other providers that went under and lost access to it all.

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          Bandcamp gives you drm free copies of the music. I think you can do flac, mp3, or ogg. They do recommend downloading your copy after buying it because in rare cases something can be removed

          I’ve bought some CDs directly and then ripped the music myself, too.

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          Aside from actually downloading the audio files and stripping any DRM off them? No one will offer truly perpetual access, because that means maintaining infrastructure forever, which simply isn’t going to happen.

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            Understand the argument of perpetuity but thats certainly not what I would ask for. CDs and physical media have a life expectancy too but at least I can make copies of those.

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              You can always rip cds and records you buy to a nas with a raid setup and an external drive you put in cold storage…media forever then

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                Yea, Ive got a Jbod sitting around somewhere. Just being pedantic but thats not forever either, there is no physical media that so far will last into infinity. I really thought that was where we would be by now considering how popular VHS, DVD and Vinyl and CDs were.

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                  Forever as in, multiple lifetimes…

                  Yes, sadly physical media advancements are dead. I always thought it would be fun to see what comes after cd, if the internet hadn’t come.

                  If only we could go back to reel to reels, such a great sounding format that really lasted (have some from 1950 that sound good as new) but the machines take care, and people dont listen to music at home anymore. And making tapes uses a lot of plastic that im not crazy about. But I love them anyway.

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      Tidal pays the highest per play amount to artists, and Apple Music also pays high (second highest for mainstream artists after tidal last I checked), and they have a massive library -but obviously they’re an evil megacorp so use your best judgement.

      I personally use Apple Music but then I’m fully ensconced in the Apple ecosystem, so it works for me.

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        I have become frustrated with Apple musics library management as the only Apple products I use are iPhones anyway

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        Back almost a decade ago I was using Google Fi and it had access to YT Music when that existed. It was easy to use, but the content was limited and I found it very hard to find new music.

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    Convinced the wife to drop Spotify for Tidal with this shit.

    Fucking hell, find out here it’s owned by Dorsey. Just doing the trial for now, so may give quboz or however it’s spelled too.

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      Qobuz is great, been using it a few months now. Probably isn’t quite as advanced in terms of recommendations etc. as Spotify so have to do a bit more of the leg work deciding what new stuff I want to check out but that’s been a positive for me and how I engage with new music.

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        Yeah, in doing some research on Qobuz, their recommendation engine is way behind Tidal/Spotify. I’m really enjoying Tidal so far, which is a shame. I’ve heard of some people using Qobuz alongside Roon to use their recommendation engine, but I’m not sure the wife would like to add another layer to just pressing play.

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    Spotdl is a command line program that is easy to use, you just need to feed it the playlist link and it will download all the songs off YouTube.

    You can then self host with azuracast or airsonic. Azuracast is what I use but it makes it into a radio station more or less, sonic I think is more of a spotify clone. There are a few other options.

    The subscription fee can then be used to support your favorite small time artists through other means, without the middle man.

    https://github.com/basings/selfhosted-music-overview

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    I’m not subscribed anymore, but as someone who uses the desktop client mainly it’s hard to find a good alternative (good UI, snappy)

    Deezer and Qobuz are meh. I won’t use Apple or Amazon. edit: or Google.
    Maybe Tidal? Are there other ones?

    I just found a third party player for Qobuz though. Not enough features but cute:

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    Would love to see a bandcamp revisit. Not as popular as Spotify but at least sales go to artists now. edit: wasn’t aware about the union busting. kinda sucks there are no good alternatives.