I’m sorry you have to deal with that sort of toxicity in your family. There is no good rebuttal because it just seems like a lack of empathy, no one can make her care.

I’m sure that’s rough for you. Wishing you happy holidays despite this callus friction. 💜❤️♥️😘

You cannot logically rebut a bad worldview. Plant seeds of doubt, protect yourself, and move on.

I’d tell them to shut the fuck up and not to speak that way about people in my presence.

My parents try to bait me into silly and shitty discussions like this, usually prompted by some conservative bullshit they saw on their preferred news program, and I just very simply say: “We can’t discuss this because it is going to make me hate you.” That’s been enough to put an end to it for me.

Value is a superficial, arbitrary concept. Their value view is different from other people’s. Zoom out far enough, and you can argue that nothing has value. Look around, and you can attribute value to many things, countless times.

So, value to whom and in whose eyes? They can’t find value to and for others.

Depression is not just an excuse for laziness.

So the Nazi stance, basically.

Honestly, I’ll take that over people who say depresses/disabled people have rights, but also don’t want to actually provide any kind of means for them to exist. Both lack compassion but one is honest about it.

I hope your parents are divorced and you can stay with your dad. If not, find someone else to stay with. Your mom is about as healthy as HIV.

"OK, Boomer. "

By the way your mom describes depression, it’s obvious she doesn’t understand what it actually is. She likely thinks depressed people simply sleep all day and feel sad. I would start by asking her to define the terms she’s using, have her define depression and value, then ask what she believes laziness means. The way she frames this suggests she’s repeating something she heard rather than expressing a considered worldview. It probably isn’t her own position; she’s just agreeing with it. Ask her what she actually believes, assuming she has a coherent position at all. Finally, close the discussion by asking whether she has actually read the Bible from front to back. That question usually ends the conversation.

Can’t ban chemtrails but you can reduce contrails which play a weirdly large part in warming up the planet irrespective of fuel consumed.

Just putting the word out for an underrated climate thingy.

Have you ever tried to coordinate 5 people to do something well? Do you know how hard that is? And you think thousands of well educated professionals, all over the world, are somehow working together to confabulate lies like “depression” just to justify laziness?

That would be my argument.

You’re mom’s an awful eugenics supporting cunt who isn’t worth speaking to and you would be better off cutting all contact than even looking at her.

Sounds like your mom wanted a little slave to obey her and instead got a human child with an individual character that wants to be loved and live free. Well, people do that a lot. Try to get away from there. Focus on what you’re good at, train your skills try to stand on your own feet and make a life and a living of your own. Then you can start living independently and get away from people with such cold hearted inhumane points of view.

(Only productive people’s live are valuable, seriously? That is just social-darwinist garbage… In my country there used to be a asshole with a funny beard who propagated this point of view a lot and he ended up shooting himself in a berlin bunker in '45)

Every child deserves unconditional love from their parents. It is their decision to set a child in this world not the child’s. The child owes nothing to their parents. They’re human beings not little slave servant puppets. Be aware that you’re no longer the helpless child. You’re an adult now. Help yourself and be the kind of parent to yourself your mother never was able to be. And you’ll find people who care and love you for who you are and not only for your productivity.

I’ll speak to the humans have value part, but just briefly saying someone diagnosed with depression is just being lazy is bigoted against people with serious mental health diagnosis and is the same & just as gross as saying someone diagnosed with a physical condition like cancer is lazy.

You may be interested in learning about Alan Gewirth if you haven’t had the chance yet.

https://iep.utm.edu/gewirth/

He argued for universal human rights based on our inherent agency. The argument is laid out better elsewhere, but a short version is something like this:

1. We humans have agency, that is desires & goals to accomplish. For a child it can be as basic as I’m hungry -> eat food, but this is something that gives us normative structure (you should do a thing). For example if I have the goal of graduating from school I should attend classes, I should do homework, etc.

2. Every goal you wish to accomplish can have different requirements, but two that are always present are the freedom to pursue your goals and the wellbeing to accomplish tasks necessary to achieve your goals. So you would need the right to freedom and wellbeing to pursue and achieve your goals.

3. Because your agency gives you the right to freedom and wellbeing to pursue and accomplish your goals, then everyone’s agency grants them the same rights.

If you accept the 3 items above then violate other people’s freedom and wellbeing then you would be objectively wrong and inconsistent in your beliefs, because you believe you have rights by agency but deny those same rights to others by the same reason (agency) they hold.

The people who are actually valuable would not say such a thing.

Who decides what’s valuable? She probably isn’t valuable under certain metrics. She thinks broken legs are being lazy?