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You underestimate how crazy fundamentalists are. For them, it’s worth dying if it saves the fetus, because for them a fetus is a living and breathing child.
Here’s the thing though. When THEY need it, it’s ok. They’ll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.
Very fucked if you live on an island though. Not only do you need to be rich, you need a visa.
At least the Dominican Republic will be getting a new penal code this year that allows it in cases of life-threatening complications this year. Then you can pray that the courts let your doctor do it instead.
They’ll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know
Not the poor ones. The poor ones die.
Class war, not culture war.
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Not if it was diagnosed in a regressive state.
The record of the pregnancy doesn’t go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.
“It’s okay. They’ll make an exception for me. Because I’m special.”
- Republican women
My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.
What’s her reasoning that others should not have that option?
She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.
Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt/is it actually a feasible option to take out the hurt?
But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.
I’ve read that conservatives model the world as “strict rules that have exceptions made on a case by case basis”. That maybe works if you’re in a small village. Smarter people realize that doesn’t scale and you should write better rules in the first place.
Oh but it does scale: Abortions are forbidden with the following exceptions:
- The carrying mother requests one.
- The carrying mother is in no condition to express her will and her pregnancy puts her life in danger, in which case we can refer to consent forms she would have already filled covering such cases, doctors and her family).
“I thought they’d make an exception for my abortion” sobs woman who voted for the Women Dying of Pregnancy Complications Party.
US maternal mortality rate:
2016: 17 women per 100,000 births
2024: 19 women per 100,000 births
That is an 11% increase and higher than any year in the 2000-2019 timeframe.
Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it’s more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop
Not the rate but the needlessness is the issue.
The rate is the factual evidence that denying women healthcare creates real harm.
A singular case of denied abortion leading to death is enough here. It is not about the statistic threat but the unnecessary death.
That may be so, but the numbers are where you point to show how deficient the US healthcare system is towards pregnancy and mothers.
You seem to be under the impression that the average American understands numbers.
That’s not what the numbers show though. You need more numbers and context to do anything rigorous.
What I meant is that their quoted numbers alone are insufficient.
How about both? You don’t need to deny or dismiss any other valid supporting point in order to drive your point home. Every unnecessary death is wrong. An increase in unnecessary deaths is wrong. It’s terrible en masse, and each one is completely unforgivable.
Just for a comparison, Canada’s maternal mortality rate for 2023 was 12 per 100,000.
Oh, here’s the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn’t (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.
You forgot about when their shitty husbands fuck their secretaries or some underage girl.
For some yes, but for others, that’s just the punishment for the (insert derogatory term) who tempted/stole their husband.
Spoiler: it’s when the guy isn’t white
And the GOP says: “OK, then you die. Sucks to be a woman.”
Yeah, I mean that’s just Jesus telling me to swap them out for a younger model. Blessed!
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The treatment for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.
People really dance around this issue, but we simply need to give women access to safe abortions for unwanted pregnancies.
No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!
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Doesn’t affect them until it directly affects them. They won’t support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.
Fermi’s Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.
The procedure for a stillbirth removal is an abortion. Often in the third trimester.
Isn’t that the third point?
Trigger warning. You don’t need to read this if you’ve lost a baby.
Miscarriage care is often associated with a fetus that could not survive outside the womb, has encountered issues (from birth defects to bodily stresses), and is now being expelled. The biggest risk is bleeding out. If you’ve ever seen a hemorrhaging post partum woman it is quite dramatic. If standing, it can be a like a tap turned on and is creating a large puddle of frank blood at the woman’s feet. Supplying blood to a fetus is dangerous for a mother when the connection is severed, even in normal childbirth. Miscarriage care ensures that once the dead fetus is removed, by natural means or the abortion procedure, the bleeding stops.
It’s important to know that the D&C procedure is used for all manner of gynecological reasons, many of which don’t even involve pregnancy. Polyp removal. Biopsy. Etc. A miscarriage D&C may not even be removing the dead fetus, that may have already occurred, but the D&C is done to ensure all dead tissue bits are washed out in addition to making sure the bleeding has stopped.
Stillbirth is typically associated with a third trimester fetus/baby that can possibly survive outside the womb. Except it unexpectedly dies in utero instead. These are large bodies, not like the standard miscarriage where tissue sized between a rice grain and a baby carrot is expelled. This time, the corpse will remain, decomposing in utero, until an abortion is performed. The biggest danger here is sepsis, or full system infection causing mass organ failure, due to this corpse presence. It’s why that teen girl in Texas died when no one would help her with stillbirth removal, aka, an abortion.
It’s important to spell out stillbirth since there are still major misconceptions voiced regarding third trimester abortion stats.
thanks for the clarification
I think that’s correct, but when I read it my mind went to when it happens much earlier earlier, so I think it bears specifying.
Won’t work on them unless they’re actually in the process of dying.
Conservatives don’t care about being warned about things. They only care when those things happen directly to them and they have to actively deal with the consequences.
Remember seeing some pristine examples of this during COVID. Conservatives in the process of dying in the hospital and then start begging for help.
“I’d kill a thousand women!”
"… ‘If it means saving one unborn child?’ "
“…”
What if the unborn child is going to be a woman?
She’s only saceificeable once shes past the age pedophiles are interested in her.
That’s fine… Unless that unborn young woman is also pregnant.
They mean the first part. That’s for sure.
They think it will be just poor women who will die, so they’re ok with it.
They think it’s “god’s will” until it happens to them.
It has nothing to do with rich vs poor women. It is ungodly women who deserve it.
Unless of course they have it happen to them. Then it is undeserved.
I’ll just never understand how they look at abortion as murder of a human and then commit a genocide against some brown people somewhere else. Literal demons.
Because they see brown people as animals.
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Get fucked scammer
They view the foetus as a person, but not the brown people
I’d say it’s entirely about power/control for them. The ones who are not in power, especially the women, are just being duped by their propaganda.
You think these fuckfaces give a fuck about their possible future health?
That image is terrifying
Its also the most attractive picture of a maga woman
That’s a lot of gender affirming care.
