Frag your commanders.
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And yet, you’re still doing it.
As they say: historians have a word for Germans who supported the Nazis because they liked their economic policies, or were afraid of Communists, or they wanted power, or they wanted the business, or any of a hundred other reasons. That word is Nazi. Historians don’t care what their reasons are.
were afraid of Communists
It works really great when you draw a circle around everyone not in your tiny camp of Tacolovers/white supremacists and declare them to be “Communists” as so many of the conservatives do.
I’m sure they did much the same in Hitler’s Germany, too. Everyone that didn’t adore him were probably called socialists, trade unionists, and Communists.
“I voted for Mr. Hitler because he’d be good for the economy. I didn’t go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can’t blame that on me.” --German Citizen, 1946
Hitler wasn’t elected, unlike Trump. People voted for the Nazi party, and Hitler was appointed.
Americunts literally voted to elect a convicted felon, rapist, pedophile for a president. So, yeah…
It was a facetious comment, meant to make a point. It wasn’t meant to be an accurate slice of history, but you know that. This thread is full of lots of insufferable “Actually…” types.
And Trump didn’t win, it was rigged, and we ALL know it, even MAGAs.
How was it rigged? Asking so we know what to look for next time.
They just had to change one race in only 7 swing states. Those states had MILLIONS of ballots that were straight Democratic tickets, with Trump at the top. Who votes like that? Have you ever heard of such a person? Has one ever been interviewed on TV? And why were they only in the swing states?
Trump has cheated on literally EVERYTHING in his entire life. He considers it his competitive advantage, and thinks everybody else is stupid for not cheating, too. He was also facing a probable life sentence in prison, unless he could become president again. So we’re supposed to believe that the only time in his entire life that he didn’t cheat, was the one presidential race that could keep him out of prison? THAT’S when he decided to play it “Fair & Square” for the first time?
Furthermore, he had the open public commitment and assistance of two foreign Oligarchs with no loyalty to America, and plenty to gain, with UNLIMITED hacking resources, conspiring to rig the vote. In full view of the world. They fucking bragged about it publicly multiple times.
And again, all they had to do was switch the votes in one race, in only seven states, and Trump won ALL seven states, a statistical impossibility.
AND AGAIN, why are all those Democratic ballots with Trump at the top concentrated in those seven swing states?
C’mon, it’s not some wild conspiracy theory, it’s simple Critical Thinking Skills.
“it” in this case being standing around and picking up trash
Don’t bring logic to these people, it’s an absolute waste of time
Equating the national guard to “nazis” shows how little you know about either.
The National Guard are not Nazis… but they can be.
Our Gestapo are a different story
Yeah for real what a dubass for calling people who help nazis nazis. Smh my head
Unrelated. My pedantry forces me to point this out:
“Smh my head” = shakes my head shakes my head.
But maybe you really did shake it twice.
They’re also a Republican voter, and voted 3rd party in 2024. If they don’t think this is what they signed up to do they’re a fucking idiot.
It’s crazy how we keep having this discussion when the real issue is democrats nominating establishment candidates instead of ones who actually serve the working class.
We need to direct all of our energy towards fixing them. Republicans are beyond saving.
Cool, then quit.
One can’t just quit the National guard. There’s a contract that holds them for a period of time. Imagine somebody signs a 6-year contract in 2022. I don’t think they can be held liable for Trump’s actions when it wasn’t even clear he wasn’t going to actually run again. I signed a 4-year contract as an active duty service member in 2021. I got out in January last year and so I’m thankful for that. But every day or so I have to think about what my colleagues would have to decide. They’re not in it to subjugate people. They’re in it for a steady career and because they believed in a liberal America and looking to make the world a more stable place. The military is a sword and it really depends on who’s using it, whether it’s good or bad.
I knew someone who defected from the military. Wasn’t supposed to do that. Broke his contract. He’s still alive and he owns a house and he’s got a wife and kids and a good job.
Yeah, that’s because it’s more like having a felony when you are dishonorably discharged, but who knows given the context of your story what happened. Was he enlisted or an officer? Which branch was he in?
Like different things could happen depending on the situation:
United States > Military > Army > Active Duty Army United States > Military > Air Force > Air Force National Guard
These are both the military and being defective would be awol. Sure they are all under the UCMJ legal system, but that can be applied differently in each case.
There are different types of discharges from the military a depends on how that army unit wants to report that particular solider.
It’s just more of spectrum of thins that can happen.
Defected? Like went to a different country?
I’m assuming they meant AWOL (absent without leave).
Yes, that’s the term. He went AWOL.
That sort of thing goes on your record though. You don’t simply leave the service without the government knowing. They will literally put a warrant out for your arrest
I think statute of limitations on most of the common ucmj articles maxes out at 5 years? It’s been a while, but short version is a cousin of a friend went awol and basically hid on a shrimping boat for years until they couldn’t come after him anymore. Not easy for sure.
Wait a minute, wasn’t that a scene from Forrest Gump? 🍤
Yes, I guess. But can they? Without consequences, that is.
I suppose everyone has their own set and level of consequences that keep them from immediately reacting or trying to stop events.
Sorry, Americans. You had 20-30 years to stop this slow motion reactionary train wreck without risking serious consequences. You failed to do that, so now your choice is to do it the hard way or just roll over and give up now. All indications point to you having already decided to do the latter.
I’m American and I agree. People can downvote us if they want, but what we believe is true. There is literally no way this ends peacefully, and we shouldn’t just be rolling over and taking it. Our whole country is a fucking joke full of larpers
Things have to get much worse before people do anything on a large scale. In most parts of the country, day to day life is unchanged.
I don’t disagree at all with that aspect. As a minority who has been screaming at the others, it’s hard to both try to explain why we’re going down this path while totally understanding why the world is looking at us like we’re all insane. Fire may be the only remedy at this point.
I disagree with the timeline. I’m old, and things were already in motion when I was born. This has been a long train wreck with so many false points of hope and promises of change tricking and deluding us.
I have the same take on humanity as a whole. It’s been a long road of disappointment with lots of missed exits to possible better times.
I need a more direct tag than Canadian
Edit: Canadian Troglodyte, got it
can they? Without consequences, that is.
What are the consequences if they don’t?
The national guard is both state and federal, and can be subject to penalties under the Uniform Code of Military Justice at times just like active duty troops.
If you just stop showing up, your unit declares you AWOL, and this can carry criminal penalties under the UCMJ. They may ask local law enforcement to bring you in. Jail time is a possibility in aggravated cases.
You could claim certain types of mental illness, that you’re experiencing gender dysphoria, or fake a disqualifing medical condotion and you may or may not be discharged or face a court martial based on wether or not they think you’re lying.
Depends on the branch, but you could try gaining weight and failing your PT test, however the process of getting discharged could take months/years.
Failing a drug test would probably the be the fastest way out, but you’re potentially going to get dishonorably discharged, which can be treated as equivalent to a criminal conviction in some regards.
Declaring yourself a consciencous objector could work, and is probably the closest to simply quitting, but the process of being discharged could be lengthy and involve some investigation to make sure your beliefs are “sincerely held”. Again, you may be dishonorably discharged or face other penalties if someone really wants to be an asshole about it.
EDIT: After some googling. If activated under federal orders or participating in their annual training and therefore subject to the UCMJ, the consequences for a National Guardsman found guilty of desertion could be as severe as death. However, this is historically rare in the modern era.
When not activated, most states have their own code of military justice, which often mirrors the UCMJ.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/885
Some other relevant reading:
Staying in has consequences too, it means he’s a Nazi soldier fighting against Americans.
I mean it is though open a history book and do basic research hell Kent state is well known for example.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
We’re finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in OhioGo read up on the natural disasters they respond to also.
okay? and that needs to be the national guard and not a non militarized order because? Thats like defending police because they occasionally do semi good things. The entire job is broken and primarily oppression based irrespective.
Picking up trash is honerable
Hey when I joined up to get my own country’s armed forces to pay for my college, most of the ads highlighted our own regular-force army swinging (rappelling) down from helicopters to bundle people up for extraction; or marshalling aid in some random warzone; or wading through rubble.
The training backed it up. We were, back then, primarily a unified force to be deployed for support, and only rarely armed. And, since we do not have a national guard, that’s the role we needed to sometimes fill. That, and so many sandbags after a bit of a long walk. ;-)
Picking up trash isn’t glamorous and thrill inducing, but it’s still honorable and (sadly) necessary.
The worst day picking up trash or searching for an escaped felon - why are all bases near prisons? Weeeeird - is still better than the best day getting unknown mud in your teeth and wounds. ;-)
There’s an “it ain’t much” meme in there for sure!
I mean, multitudes do it for free, on daily walks or nature outings. But do you.
Following orders is exactly what you signed up for bud.
This is the oath you take when joining the US Army:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
The important part there is the mention of the UCMJ, which states that orders cannot be illegal, violate the Constitution, violate international law, etc.
The important part is the “and domestic” bit. Active duty troops are oath bound to engage Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the United States. Their decision not to this far is a breach of their duty.
Better late than never though - do your job already, troops!
A tyrannical government is a domestic enemy, and that is not a matter of opinion.
Yeah it is lol what you thought they’d draw the line at Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m sure a lot of Nazis said that before the German economy got a conquest-based sugar high. That ain’t happening here. Really, it could have. Somehow they have fucked up regime change in two countries whose populations are suffering greatly under economic sanctions. Typically fertile ground for such adventures. There is something of a mixed blessing in the fact that Trumps criminal regime is all but completely staffed by losers and nincompoops. Let’s hope they fuck up implementation of a permanent military police state as well.
Except, that is exactly what you signed up for you bag of expired meat.
No, the national guard is not ICE. The national guard is basically manpower on command and often times not with anything violent in mind.
Think aftermath of a hurricane or tornado, or building levees in a flood.
They’ve shot plenty of US citizens too.
You have no clue
Yeah you did. You just wanted to do it to brown people in a different country.
You’re a nazi, and deserve to swing
In the national guard? Their recruiting ads are more like swinging under a helicopter saving someone from a river. Or digging through rubble after a tornado. They’re not exactly the same kind of people. Think of the headspace being more like that of a volunteer firefighter. Yeah, they were dumb to think that’d be reality after the last 25 years, but that’s where their head likely was.
Congrats, you win the stupidest comment on lemmy award
Fuck the military, and everyone in it
