https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/16tqihd/settings_updateschanges_to_ad_personalization/
Reddit just decided it was a good idea to REMOVE the option to disable ad personalisation. Good job u/spez. We know what you’re doing.
Time for a new influx. Everyone still on reddit needs to advertise lemmy.
And not join-lemmy.org, that’s confusing. Just pick one of the larger servers like lemm.ee or fedia.io and tell people to browse it and click “Sign Up” if they like it.
I’d recommend a smaller community to help spread the load. I originally signed up on .world but they were having some growing pains (And a disgruntled idiot ddosing them) so I moved to .ca which helped tremendously.
I really disagree. For learning lemmy for average people, big instance is best.
There is a point where people who stick around are likely to make a new “real” account on a different smaller server, after they know what they want to browse.
Basically big instances should be like training wheels.
Yeah tbh this is how I did it and I consider myself tEcH sAvVy - still started with .world because I didn’t know where else to go.
I went to iusearchlinux.fyi and came back to .world about a week ago. It seems to be doing very well now.
You need to know the special password for .ca
Is it “sorry”?
I’m Canadian anyway, so I have it memorized.
Hello Canadian, I’m maple syrup!
We may be related, I’m 40% maple.
I see! I’m actually 33% polar bear and 66% maple, we may be not so distant cousins!
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maybe start posting links from lemmy like what happened with digg (i think? wasn’t there for it)
Oh, okay. I had no idea. I was like “How far do I have to scroll to find out what reddit did this time?”
Wouldn’t affect me anyway, because I use an ad blocker.
It still means they’re selling your info to advertisers
Yup ads and posts on reddit are becoming even more indistinguishable, the “organic community” is just a selling point for marketing because you can embed yourself in it, basically just exploiting their users. The metrics to gauge ad performance is based on things that make the site shitty as well. Reddit, at least the big subs, haven’t been organic in this way for a long time, it’s basically a simulation of an organic online community at this point.
Why are these people still there, do they just stick around on reddit to complain about it?
Because other people are there
Network effects are real
I think the average person is not willing to take 5 minutes to figure out how Kbin or Lemmy works.
Kbin, at least, for the end user is just as simple as reddit.
Before I left Reddit, I searched for alternatives and saw that people recommended Lemmy or Kbin. But I didn’t know what those things were. I assumed they were just Reddit clones hosted by someone else. I didn’t know that I could create an account on Kbin and interact with other posts in the Fediverse. I didn’t even know what the Fediverse was. So I was stuck with this decision of “do I try Lemmy or Kbin first?”
When I decided to try Lemmy, the first thing you need to do is sign up on an instance. People recommended beehaw.org, but that required filling out an application to join. That seems weird, since I never had to apply to read Reddit. I decided to try another instance (sh.itjust.works) but was worried that I was missing out on what people had recommended about other instances. Maybe I chose the wrong one? Maybe I should make an account on Lemmy.world instead?
It took me a little while to grasp the concept of federation and realize that it made no difference as an end user which instance I chose. I stuck with it, as did everyone reading this, but I think it’s fair to say that the average person has similar barriers to entry. We’ve overcome them, but many, many people will not.
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Boost is lovely and polished and you can see that tons of work has gone into it.
Tell you what though: while I was waiting for Boost, damned if the Voyager (fka wefwef) PWA came out of nowhere with (I think) some of the nicest UX of any of the contenders, plus an insane release schedule because they can just push changes whenever. Voyager is honestly what has kept me here. (…he says, posting from Boost)
you joined early on, you had to work at understanding the fediverse. now there are plenty of places that explain everything.
True, the concept of the fediverse is probably what confuses people, it’s never explained clearly. I hope it’s growth helps spread information about it, how it works and why you want it.
Hating Reddit is the usual Reddit routine, the one you may be rewarded for with Reddit’s updoots.
They should come to Lemmy to complain about Reddit, like the rest of us.
reddit has ads?
Reddit is ads.
Yea, ublock always blocks them on old Reddit. So this technically won’t affect me.
I’m sure old.reddit is on its way out in the near future.
Just want to say that every time Reddit does something shitty like this, Lemmy will get a boost. And with Lemmy constantly getting better (both community and platform), I’m willing to bet these boosts come with smaller user drop offs every time.
Which is to say, keep up the good work Reddit!
At this point (and with Sync, as I used for reddit), Lemmy is indistinguishable from my reddit browsing experience. Except on Lemmy I don’t encounter constant hostility.
I don’t encounter constant hostility.
That sounds like something one of you people would say. 🖕/s
You can fuck right off with that attitude, mate.
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and my axe
There are still few very niche/local communities here that I have seen, at least active ones. But that’s only because of the much smaller user base
There are a couple of communities I miss, like r/fountainpens and r/suzukisamurai. Im sure I could figure out how to create those communities, im not sure I’d be a good mod.
tbh there won’t be much to mod in niche communities. so don’t let that stop you.
You’re probably right, but I’d really hate to have to clean up a bunch of nazi shit from my nice family friendly Samurai circlejerk.
do you plan to post “nazi shit”?
Nope.
- I believe you would be
- you can always get better mods to help/take over in the future.
Be the change you want to to see in the world
i experience some hostility on lemmy, but i haven’t noticed any bots here cruising for karma.
I have gotten way more bans on lemmy so far, just for calling out tankies. Or simply enumerating the UN definition of genocide.
Lol lemmy has a Tankie problem but they’re being drowned out. They get mad because they can’t just own the libs I guess!
I’ve been lucky so far, but ever since leaving reddit I’ve been in an infinitely better mood. Sometimes reddit would bring out the worst in me as well, and I’d be short with people or needlessly confrontational. You could tell when I was in a shitty place mentally because my post history would shift from light-hearted and sentimental to easily annoyed with frequent cursing. Reddit’s algorithm really fine-tuned its way under my skin, and I found myself increasingly angry as the years went on. US political issues really got me going. I was never more irritable and mad at the world than I was over the past few years on reddit. Now all of that is just gone, and my Lemmy usage is about 20 minutes per day. I’m in a much better place.
The quality of posts and comments overall isn’t where Reddit was. That comes with volume, though.
Also, I haven’t found a single niche community that does what Reddit did. For instance, if I’m into a specific show, Reddit was my go to place for discussions about a new episode. Lemmy does not have that for any show I watch.
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Niche comes with volume too. And really, niche is what’s important, not the broad strokes (I’d argue the boons of Lemmy are broad strokes at least). Reddit is worse for a lot of reasons, but man oh man, how can you convince someone to come over when the value is in the volume? I’m still primarily on Reddit, actively contributing to the problem.
I think the hostility is about the same tbh, only different is this place uses the term Tankies a lot more.
That’s because there are a lot more tankies
That and the impact. The amount of communism or total and complete anti capitalism without nuance or depth, right or wrong. Reddit was very left, but not like here!
Tankies aren’t communists anyway. They’re Russian trolls, CCP shills. Those are fascist dystopias. Just mention Ukraine being invaded and they go ballistic.
Well you might have to block the Linux spam but otherwise I agree.
What did they do this time?
but also, with every influx it waters down the spirit of lemmy a tiny bit in exchange for more activity / content / perspectives. which generally is worth it so far, but even still i can already see some discussions on here getting worse, with shittier viewpoints i wish were quarantined in facebook
No it it also has the effect tof the people who dropped off probably won’t come back. Yah I tired it and it sucked. Lemmy blew it’s big chance. Yes it has grown but could have been bigger.
I don’t think it works that way. A free service like Lemmy can be tried multiple times. People aren’t just going to ignore something forever cause they tried it once and it sucked. People understand that software evolves over time.
You overestimate most people. “KDE is bad. Admittedly last time I tried it was 15 years ago” is a real quote that I read.
All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving
I saw one that said they would stay until Reddit charges a fee to use the site…like why are they staying??? JUST FUCKING LEAVE
One even said “there are no viable alternatives” when talking about Reddit, like excuse me what the fuck?
I’ll probably get hate, but the content just isn’t there. I tried using Lemmy as my main, but most of the communities I’d follow on Reddit just weren’t on here, and if they were, they would have a couple hundred of subscribers at most, and there would be 7 different versions of the same community on different instances with no way to measure quality at first glance. Lemmy thrives for geeky hobbies that surround the FOSS space that gave birth to it, so communities like Linux or Unixporn have a strong enough presence, but for pretty much anything else it’s just not there yet. Is this a negative feedback loop? Yes, but there isn’t much to be done about it until shit REALLY hits the fan
PD: As an added, Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times, even more so than Reddit already is. Like seriously at times 90% of the content on my feed is just shitting on Reddit plebs
New communities, you’ll just have to yell into the void for a while until people start to yell back.
Ehh, I’ll just wait and check back in a few months or so.
yeah that’s honestly what I found as well. once I discovered you can patch RIF to use your own personal api token, I’ve been continuing to use reddit. it’s such a subpar experience compared to what it used to be tho
I’m surprised they let you use your own API token. During the API apocalypse, Spez specifically said that was “not allowed.”
Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times
I always assumed that since both upvote and downvote counters are visible, it won’t be the case. But boy I was wrong. The political/news posts are always a constant shitshow reminiscent of T_D.
They’re used to what they know, and change - even for the better - seems wrong.
People forget how bad reddit was when we all moved from digg.com. It was bad. It would crash every other day.
Lemmy is far more mature than reddit was during the digg exodus.
I wasn’t an early adopter of Reddit, or Lemmy, but this sort of has the same issues of momentum as web browsers do. It doesn’t matter how they started. Where they are now is the standard, and that’s what you have to build to in order to be a viable replacement. With browsers it’s the capability to serve pretty much any page with all the bells and whistles, with Reddit/Lemmy it’s all the posts, comments, and user base. I think it can happen, but it won’t be easy or fast. I’m not worried, though. I think we can rely on spez to send more users this way until a suitable number of users have joined.
I’m a trans woman here, and to be honest change of any kind is so scary that it is unbelievable. Like when I finally got approved for hormone, the prescription stayed at the pharmacy for like 2 or 3 weeks before eventually I decided to call a friend…
I knew that if I went myself I would probably just chicken out or maybe I’d pick them up and just put them aside somewhere, simply because I knew that there would be no going back. I didn’t even want to go back, but the fact that I couldn’t was still scary.
But my friend made me take them right then and there, as anybody would, as he always had a good ability to talk me out of my inhibitions.
It’s been about a decade since then and lemme tell you, life is better on two legs than three.
Hell I had been wanting a Reddit alternative for the longest time because the place was a shit hole from the beginning, but traditional online forums are dead.
It took a Perma ban from the whole site for me to make the switch, it’s going to come sooner or later, it’s a ban happy website it wasn’t even the first time.
Even then I felt like a criminal on the run.
PS: a bunch of right wing trolls have reported my account for threats of violence, simply because I said something about Star Wars that they didn’t like.
I got a permaban, and had to write an appeal letter to get them to look at what I actually posted to realize that there was not even the slightest hint of a threat there.
Ironically the second time was for abusing the report button, something that’s not even listed in their terms of service, because that was easier than actually looking at all of the bigoted things that I reported. I try appealing that too, but never got a response
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Realest answer here. Truly a reddit moment
All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving
I think because they are uninformed. They are looking for alternatives, and don’t know about Lemmy, or don’t understand Lemmy, etc.
It’s exactly this, I only found lemmy through a sticky comment inside a post 2 days ago, and I’ve been wanting to get off Reddit for months
Loki it might help if the special interest boards were more active, also the porn is way more well hidden here than it is on Reddit.
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You haven’t encountered them on your front page yet???
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Wait you’re getting it on your front page?
How?!? I subscribed to every porn instance I could find and still all I’m getting are politics, programming, and for some reason atheist memes.
I think you should change your default page from All/Local to Subscribed
Unfortunately, to understand lemmy is to be on lemmy. You have to be here and experience it.
They have to make that leap of faith. There’s nothing to lose anyway, there’s no requirement to delete reddit to become a lemmy user. So what’s holding them back. Mauve they believe the anti lemmy post on reddit or maybe they just say they want to leave reddit but has no real desire to follow through.
What a shame. Imagine if all those users were aware about the Fediverse
these people are the same group of people that won’t leave twitter. some people just live to be miserable and complain about things one hundred percent in their control.
it’s insane and i can’t wrap my brain around it.
It seems to be human nature that people are resistant to change, and it appears that are kombat instincts from when we were monkeys that can only be satiated these days by arguing on the internet and complaining.
You’re simply have to find a way to take the soul out of the human and put into something better. unfortunately I don’t know that Souls exist
There aren’t viable alternatives. We don’t have the active niche (and not so niche) communities reddit does. And even if there was somehow a meaningful mass exodus, these little instances would break like wet toilet paper trying to hold a bowling ball.
I don’t say this to be critical of lemmy. I’m happy here. Just being realistic.
Yeah we don’t need to be like reddit. I’m happy if rss usage becomes stronger . So those niche communities can stay wherever they can thrive but still be reachable through rss.
There are no viable Alternatives because they won’t come here, to the viable alternative. Seriously I would love to be able to go on special interest boards again but unfortunately the crowd is still on Lemmy.
Who’s prostate do I have to massage with a rubber glove in order to get a simple conversation about Dragon Quest going on around here?
Americans confused at what month “27” is
I’m American and confused by what the 2023 day is. YYYYMMDD ftw
ISO8601 all day, every day
Quinvigintember of course.
I just realized that September 7,Oktober 8, November 9 and December 10 is a thing. I feel a bit dumb now. Then I got mad cus it’s screwed up. Was it some Romans squeezing in extra months or something?
I was just reading about this a little while ago. Basically the year used to start with March, and they didn’t have names for January and February since not much happened in winter. Eventually they got named and turned into the first two months.
I love the thought that January and February were so boring they didn’t even get names.
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Other folks say The 5th of November instead of November 5th
This is a reddit or even Twitter level shit comment. Please take your ignorant self back to either of those platforms. The dumb American trope is overused, largely inaccurate, and tired. Steal some new material from someone more witty and try again.
I don’t understand it they go through the same Bumtober as the rest of us
It’s the second marchcember of the year!
Don’t forget to donate to your chosen instances to keep them going.
And the Lemmy devs
When Boost for Lemmy went live, I didn’t even hesitate to uninstall Reddit.
I stopped using Reddit the day boost went offline.
Same here
Boost for reddit still works fine
Thankfully Boost came out the same week Relay went to monthly subscription only. I actually forgot I had set Boost to install automatically when the app was released.
I spent the few days before Boost was released giving the official Reddit app another shot, and remembering why I hate it so much.
Boost making it easy to sign up and get started was the final step on my path away from Reddit.
Same thing. I specifically waited for Boost for Lemmy to release in order to create an account. It feels familiar enough, so no problem.
Fuck reddit! I’m never going to contribute to that website.
What is Boost? Searching for it pulls up a bunch of different things.
Oh wow. I booted up Boost this morning as usual, scrolled for 10-15 minutes, and didn’t realize I was on Lemmy instead of Reddit until this post.
I find it fascinating that their own app can be so horrible when there are so many amazing alternatives that exist(ed)
As I removed everything from all my Reddit accounts and deleted them, except my porn account for some nieche fetishes, I don’t care. Let it die and save the porn.
Absolutely, though to be fair I trust the anonymous random people running the thousands of fediverse instances and communities far less than a legitimate, traceable company that gets third party audited and has to, at least, follow national laws.
I don’t love Reddit’s owners obviously, but yeah. When it comes to privacy, I don’t have any misconceptions about Lemmy being private in the least. Unfortunately :-(
The difference is advertising. Lemmy has no incentive to sell you out. A company like reddit will squeeze every legal penny out of your personal info and then some more illegally if they think they can get away with it.
That is unless the instance owners enters into an advertising deal with a company.
To keep the instance “afloat”
just wait 5 years, the fediverse will either be dead or swallowed up by meta. the only two things it has to go for it is the decentralized nature and the absence of open advertisements.
They didn’t figure on Reddit making it 5 years either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The US has zero privacy laws and, as far as I know, Reddit follows zero audit frameworks (eg SOC 2). Additionally, Reddit currently does not follow its legal burden under state laws.
I’m not saying your mistrust of the fediverse is wrong. I am saying your trust of corporations is completely unfounded and very naive. Trusting the US to do anything is equally naive (see Yahoo, Experian, and multiple alphabet agencies).
Unfortunately, reddit has been too long and entrenched in society to “remove” it from our browsers. It is very different from Twitter or another social network. Lemmy is a great project. I hope it works and establishes itself as a real alternative, but it still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, the Reddit/Lemmy format is resource intensive, and that’s the problem with a service like this.
It’s my simple opinion. I support any fediverso project, but reddit, today I think it is irreplaceable.
I really hope that reddit will shut down
It won’t shut down. I see it more going the way of Yahoo - a once juggernaut that stumbles along a shell of its former self.
Not until people stop using it.
no, it won’t, nor will xitter of facebook. it’s delusional to think multi-billion-dollar-platforms backed by big money, the content industry and several clandestine consortiums will cease operation because a single digit percentage of users decided that some hobbyist internet platforms held together by tape and a hail marry are the future. we’ll be lucky if places like this are still around in a few years.
then it wont contain the toxic users
Fuck spez, man
The best part is, the normies are probably going to stay on read it no matter what. Meeting we can have a picture of what the internet must have been like before the endless September, now that’s a boomer ass reference if anyone ever heard one.
It will be like that, plus political posts.
Because people are addicted to spreading their political opinions like evangelists of old.
And they never think you mean them when you ask them to stop, becuse then other team is evil, and inserting their political opinions in to everything is their personality now. It’s tut only way they can get them likes.
Social media changed society and sadly, I don’t think escaping to the Fediverse can out run the political borest.
I think we will see the damage reversed, part of that is going to involve finding these places that have become the centralized forces of the internet go under. Something Twitter and Reddit are doing as they drive things off the platform
If you’re the one “remembering when”, you might be the boomer ass.
No shame being old. As long as we’re the “good” old
“I hate it when I see an old person and realize I went to High School with them.”
