I’ve seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What’s happening?
World users are just mad that the lemmy devs use ML which means they can’t verifiably call them uneducated morons, and ML users are mad that the World users are just smart enough to know the difference between socialism and communism that they won’t just auto buy into it lol.
ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
lemmy.world is kind of run by pussies. They blocked the piracy sublemmy for no real reason other than that.
It doesn’t surprise me they are butting heads. Hopefully the instances that allow interaction with both instances triumph over those that try to restrict access.
ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
It’s run by Russia bots who are pumping our Kremlin talking points whilst deleting anyone who is critical.
I got deleted for pointing out Putin runs a mafia state.
Shit even the Russian communist don’t like Putin.
They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
I wouldn’t phrase it at that. They’re fans of Russia, China, Iran, and pretty much any other country that’s antagonistic to the US. This regardless of whether said state is communist, especially Russia, which has become fascist under Putin’s rule.
In short, the .ml owners are tankies
If you disagree that .ml are communist and insist that they’re “tankies” instead, it seems to imply that not all communists are “tankies.” However, every single communist I’m aware of is called a tankie. What does a communist who isn’t a tankie look like? Are there examples of such a thing?
Are you saying communism necessarily implies authoritarianism? What about anarchists?
Are you seriously conflating communism with authoritarianism?
It’s like you guys went through the red scare and instead of figuring it was a stupid insane witch hunt without any real foundation, decided that the republican definition of “communism = evil” was actually true, but you wanted in anyway. It’s ridiculous.
It’s such an irony to me that people who call us “tankies” and say that we are somehow caricatures of communists, always make such caricatures out of themselves. Like, instead of engaging with any of FunkyStuff’s very reasonable, calmly stated questions, you go off about how we (“tankies”) just decided to be evil, and calling us ridiculous while behaving in such a ridiculous, blatantly and needlessly antagonistic way yourself. It’s over the top.
Paraphrasing:
FunkyStuff: asks a calm, concise series of questions that are meant to help clarify the issue.
lunnrais: “See?! Look how frothing these evil, ridiculous lunatic tankies are!!”And this after correctly recognizing that the red scare was a terrible witch hunt? But it was people like us, people who believe what we believe, that were the “witches” of that particular persecution. We are simply what most communists in the world look like, we believe what most communists in the world believe, people who have very clear and consistent views. But instead of honestly trying to engage or actually understand why “tankies” believe the things they do, you just smear us with lies and pretend that the position of Marxist-Leninist communists is just some bananas, made-up-on-the-fly, contrarian position, rather than one with deep foundations that have been developed over decades of intense thought and practice including by people fighting in the trenches for their own and others liberation. To you, were the Black Panthers “tankies”? Do you know about their mutual support of and with North Korea, or did they just decide to be “evil” to pwn the libs? Was Che Guevara a “tankie”? Is Michael Parenti? Were they all just ridiculous contrarians who liked the picture that reactionaries (“republicans”) painted of them?
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only thing I know is the cm002 wierdo guy. did not know it extended beyond him who I dunno could be a wierd cabal for all I know.
Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.
Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷♀️
Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.
Still coming up to speed on the terminology here, but labels aside, I would hope we can all agree on the fact that society should work for the people first. A society that works for corporations and the rich first (I’d argue that most developed nations show advanced stages of this, regardless of capitalist alignment) will decay internally, like a cancer. I think we’ve seen the global decline of society working for their members since the mid 1900’s.
This has resulted in a broad rightward swing in the US, and to a slightly lesser degree abroad. People feel like they’ve been taken advantage of. And they have been, but mostly by the very rich, and it’s getting exponentially worse by the day.
Argue nuance if you feel so inclined. But my point is: the more that we’re divided by these labels is to our detriment. And when I say “we”, I mean “not the ownership class.”
Do you work? Do you draft a paycheck anywhere on earth? Then you’re getting fucked, because those who don’t draft a paycheck to live basically don’t pay anything to partake in society. We pay for them. We truly live in a welfare state, but it’s not the poor that are the recipients but the rich.
Tankie or not. Western or Eastern. We’re all manipulated into serving the will of the powerful, and constantly at odds with one another when our plight is similar. We all don’t want to get fucked. But the more we’re divided, the easier it is to conquer us.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
You are talking theory.
Now, in practice invite the MAGA over to your side, and see what happens.
Good luck!
Translation: consent needs to matter. Tankies do not care about your consent. They want to advance the cycle through the destruction phase to get to the other side that is all magical rainbows and fairy dust - just exactly like Russia, China, and North Korea are so well-known for, obviously.
And they will not let anything get in the way of achieving their goals. Not even facts.
Please do not allow yourself to become used like a tool by the oligarchy. Like both the (leftist) tankies and the (rightist) MAGAs have. They share in common a love for authoritarianism - and guess who gets to be at the top there? Hint: it ain’t us!
Tankies want me and everyone that I have ever known or even met to literally die.
Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.
.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.
they don’t discuss and they don’t read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.
I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.
Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can’t get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I’ll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)
Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than “the dunk” process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know… I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪
I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I’ve checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.
“the only communists who are actual communists are the ones who cater to my sensibilities as a liberal”
The only person spewing alternative facts is you, you can’t seem to regurgitate a post without making up bullshit.
ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization
for the record when people say ‘Death to America’ it’s wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.
Concern about the ‘fall of Western civilization’ is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.
also this isn’t limited to election seasons, death to america
Death to America
I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you’re quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that’s probably not cool beans, you know?
Osama Bin Laden and I happen to have the same position that the end of the USA as a political entity would be a positive thing. I probably also agree with him that breathing and having meals is necessary for survival.
Are either of those propositions made less true by virtue of Osama also believing them?
Death to America is a saying that goes back much further than Bin Laden, and there have been many good reasons for many people to say it. I’m sure many of the people indigenous to the land (that wasn’t “America” to them) had a probably rather similar phrase and said it probably rather often as that entity commenced with their genocide. And since that time, it’s not as if there hasn’t been a lack of good reasons to call for the destruction of the settler-colonial project responsible for the worst imperialist cruelties since the British Empire (the immediate ancestor). But you might consider questioning why you seem to only associate the phrase with that one particular person.
I dunno man. You have a dog? Hitler had a dog…
I use she/her in case it doesn’t show up in your app.
This isn’t quoting osama bin laden, it’s an Iranian slogan/expression.
America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America
Visit .world before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: .world will sell out as many Palestinians as it takes to buy political time in hopes of a blue wave that is definitely going fix everything and bring America™ back to its wholesome big chungus status.
Whereas ML does not want to carry out genocide to buy time for pointless political waffling, go figure.
I really do love the tagging feature for the boost app, all I see is green tankie tabs everywhere when you guys show up.
Oh hey, I remember you. You’re the one who was equating anti-capitalism with being tankie.
https://lemmy.world/comment/21783242
Not beating the toothless lib allegations…
Lol yea I’m the toothless one…the guy who’s probably been tagged by a lot of people here for being staunchly pro2a and advocating for my LGBTQ+ people to get trained and armed…yea
for being staunchly pro2a
Off topic, but there’s a LiberalGunOwners community if you weren’t aware. Not as active as it could, but still
Yea I’m subscribed to it.
Did you vote for Kamala or did you allow Trump to take power?
Will you be voting for Ted Cruz, or will you allow Mecha Hitler to take power?
Your political narcissism is incurable. Enjoy fucking people over for your feels.
he said, stepping over the bodies of 500,000 children
I just want to add to the discussion that I think it’s perfectly healthy if two instances don’t like each other and/or have different outlooks - it’s the beauty of the fediverse and having decentralisation that they don’t have to agree on everything.
ML is run by people who are not only communist, but also communists can do no wrong, capitalists can do no right. Just being communist most of us could live with, but the second is a problem. When someone cannot agree things like genocides that various communist governments are a bad it is really hard to have productive conversations.
communistsTankies.yes. the openly call for murder, theft, and various form of violence against their ‘enemies’.
and if you suggest maybe that’s not such a great idea, they basically tell you that you should die too.
But on the other hand, perhaps I should smile more, even as I am being murdered? (Dials gaslighting up to 11) Yes, it is surely I who am in the wrong here, rather than them.
(/s in case it is not abundantly clear)
Dials gaslighting up to 11
literally every post you make does this
Yeah but they’re totally sarcastic this time!
The stereotype is that Lemmy.ml wants to play with Stalin’s balls. Lemmy.world wants to play with, I don’t know, Obama’s balls? With Bernie, Bill Clinton, and Reagan watching from the corner?
Something like that, anyway.
HEY ML WHAT POLITICIAN WOULD YOU DESCRIBE US AS SUPPORTING IN VAGUELY HOMOPHOBIC TERMS?
ML: …
Liberals and communists hate each other, that’s pretty much it
It’s not even that. The specific brand of “communist” the ML admins stan is really just redfash, so all other leftists despise them, even as they insist their 100 year old dogma is the only correct philosophy.
It’s also not just that. Dessalines and Nutomic are just basic fucking assholes. Petty and power hungry, and occasionally transphobic, they spend more time banning users and making drama for stupid shit, than they spend writing code, and then have the audacity to guilt people for money.
Dessalines in particular is so fucking cringe, he literally will not post outside of his shitty little fiefdom, because he cannot handle any internet where he doesn’t have his little “I win” ban button.
ML users aren’t really communists though - they are leftist MAGAs who believe in alternative facts, only paying lip service to communist principles but not in a genuine manner. i.e. tankies.
that’s weird because both you and the right both support genocide and ‘tankies’ are the only ones who don’t
OpenStars spewing bullshit once more, shocker
I get more of an impression that people in general do not understand what they believe. There’s a lot of that in the post information era we live; its also an easy excuse to look down my nose at people of course lol.
I think this is pretty insightful. There also is no definitely right answer. Some people may view China as communistic and others may view them as a dictatorship.
Considering they made more billionaires than the US this last year I think the communism thing is a bit of a stretch. At this point they are looking pretty fascist to me. Obviously ML isn’t going to agree to that
But what they will do is ban you for saying that (if you said it in one of their communities)! 😉
I block ml users on sight so I didn’t even notice
block me if you haven’t, you seem painful to interact with
I dunno man. I just signed up as reddit imploded. I wasn’t thinking political ideology. I just needed a refuge. I’m happy, and grateful for my adopted home.
Tbh I blocked all ml posts from my all feed and started blocking ml users on sight for my own mental health
I get in almost zero arguments online now and actually enjoy using this platform
Sorry about the block. It’s not you, it’s your instance.
I signed up for the developer’s instance because fuck reddit, and I do dev work.
Server choice had nothing to do with any political shit. I barely knew what federation was at the time. Lemmy immediately proved there are as many bandwagoning idiots as reddit here.
I have nothing to say about world though, I don’t use the platform that much.
I originally did this and ended up having to remake my account on .world. I just couldn’t stand the negativity and constant fighting on .ml. I was able to find a non-ml alternative to every community I was subscribed to. YMMV but it was completely worth it for me
I’m not hopping instances, I will just leave. Social media is worth very little to me. Abandoning it would mean nothing to me.
The fediverse isn’t going to be one all-encompassing thing like reddit. As time goes on, there will be different “sections” of the fediverse to accommodate people with different interests.
Lemmy.world, being run by pussies, thinks that because they’re the largest instance right now that they get to dictate the direction the fediverse goes in. As more people wake up to their censorship, more instances will sprout up to resist it.
It’s great that nobody is beholden to the decisions of either instance’s admins. That’s the beauty of the fediverse.
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.ml users engage in a lot of violent fantasizing of mass murder and state sponsored violence until that everyone believes what they believe. basically everyone who isn’t a communist or anarchist, should die. and once everyone who isn’t a communist/anarchist is dead, the world will be a perfect utopia with no suffering. that’s their view.
.world users aren’t screaming about murdering people.
This post is a good example of said slander/infighting, as MLs are inherently not dogmatic, and having consistent values is painted as being homogenous.
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What’s with all the new users in the past week or two?
Big push to move off of American sites in response to Trump. So lots of Europeans and what not are joining here.
It’s literally called Lemmy.MarxistLeninist get your head out of Stalin’s arsehole.
Omg you guys believe that?? The .ml is from Mali 😂 it’s because Mali domains were free for the longest time.
What does that have to do with being dogmatic?
lol, dunning meets kruger.
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I’m very glad I do not know what ML is, it sounds annoying.
I like both instances.
Found the guy who’s political ideology can only be described by a fringe Indian faction of the TNO mod for Hearts of Iron 4.
Capitalists use fascism to defend democracy from communism.
What communism? I hope your not referring to China. More billionaires made in China than the US this year is pretty much incompatible with a belief they practice communism.
The entire Chinese revolution shows us it was a violent revolution not a peaceful evolution. This is why most people, after seeing leadership never really change, would recognize it as a dictatorship.
Being a capitalist dictatorship puts China squarely on the fascist board.
And tankies love fascism as long as it’s used against capitalism
They do.
Communists don’t have to lie or censor others to get their point across.
Just tell the truth and more people would be sympathetic to their cause.
I don’t even mind communists, it’s tankies I hate
Left or right…it’s just a bunch of individuals with opinions and/or groups with agendas. The instances themselves have become “sub-reddits”.
