• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 hours ago

    Alternative title:

    One third of Americans are dangerous, potentially/indirectly violent sociopaths, with no capacity for independent moral reasoning.

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    The other third couldn’t say anything beyond enthusiastic gagging sounds while swallowing a boot past the laces, a feat both impressive and concerning.

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        That one-third carries guns and flags. Which as much as it makes us cringe, it carries with it political capital. The same kind of political capital that has shaped political landscapes for centuries or millennia.

        We need to meet power with power, and shed this idea that civility and proceduralism is somehow inherent to democratic society. I would love to see the day my progressive allies pick up assault rifles and drive around with American flags stuck all over their trucks (or Subarus.)

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        We really need to reconfigure our voting system so it no longer filters OUT the intelligent and incompetent, and filters IN the criminals and morons.

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    They’re executing white American citizens 1300 miles from the southern border.

    This isn’t about immigration.

    It’s about intimidation in order to illicit a response so they can assume total control. Because they are fascists.

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      correction, they are executing white Americans.

      for decades BIPOC were executed on the streets and all they got after USA largest protests in history was a street named after them.

      the whole system was rotten from the beginning, what changed is that the rot is now affecting white people

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        Nah, the GOP is a fucked death cult circling the drain and hemorrhaging supporters. Americans on average are about as cool as they have been in a while. It sucks that it takes seeing the ICEstapo horror show play out in front of them for months is what it took, but they’re more pro-immigrarion now than they have been in years. Say what you will about the absolute numbers, the trajectory of public opinion overall is good.

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          So why resist them if they are doomed to fail?

          Are you watching different news than me? This “fucked” cult just coordinated over years to successfully capture the government, and started doing ethnic cleansing in short order.

          Claiming that the fascists are doomed to fail seems naive at this point in the fascist descent.

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            Fascists are always doomed to fail cause it’s an incredibly shitty way to actually run a country.

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              So then why did we have to sacrifice an entire generation to kill fascists in World War II?

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            Why resist if we are doomed to fail? Things are bad but this is a winnable fight with the people on our side and they’re coming our way more and more with every stupid atrocity this dipshit government commits.

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              Who’s saying we are doomed to fail?

              Things are bad but this is a winnable fight with the people on our side

              This goes completely contrary to what you’ve said so far. Everything you’ve said so far makes it sound like you think this is an unlosable fight.

              There is a lot at stake here, and there’s no guarantee this fascist doom spiral is just going to fizzle out on its own. The goal now is to get as many people armed as possible.

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                Everything you’ve said so far makes it sound like you think this is an unlosable fight.

                Well, I do actually believe that, sort of. I think fascism given a long enough timeline inevitably sows the seeds of its own destruction and will radicalize everyone living under it to the point that they’re willing to kill and die fighting it. However, the longer that takes to happen the more people and communities that will be irrevocably destroyed by the fascists, so I definitely do agree there is a lot at stake here and we need to push this process along as quickly as it can go whether or not it’s inevitable.

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      1/3 of the country don’t really pay attention to anything if it doesn’t affect them directly.

      The biggest drama in my family is how my uncle failed to pay child support and now has to go to court. They only recently learned about ICE like a week ago, even though they’ve been in the news in my city for the past year.

      At my night classes, someone brought up Epstein and a student my age said that she thought it was released a few years ago. I don’t think she’s stupid. She has like 5 kids and was attending night school for more job experience.

      I won’t be surprised if the Superbowl will be the first time a large percentage of Americans even learn about ICE.

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        Perhaps a dumb question, but I’m not from the U.S, so a genuine question here: Why might the Superbowl be a way for a lot of Americans to learn about ICE?

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          Because they’ve announced that ICE will have a presence at the Super Bowl, and nobody can understand why. Is it really necessary to show up and harsh the buzz of everybody who is spending a fortune to have a good time? I suspect it’s in retaliation for Trump not being able to attend because they know he’ll be booed mercilessly, and perhaps even be a target for assassination. So they’ll send ICE to get some airtime, and intimidate the rest of America.

          There are also plans to send ICE to Italy for the Winter Olympics, which is an even weirder idea.

          I would imagine the idea is to demand a contingent go to the Super Bowl and the Olympics, and then give the assignments out as rewards for the leaders and the soldiers who have been the biggest assholes.

          It kind of reminds me of Gimme Shelter, the documentary about how the Rolling Stones allowed the Hells Angels to be the “security” at their big tour ending concert, and the bikers got really violent, and ended up murderering a guy right in front of the stage as the Stones were playing. I can’t wait for ICE to start beating people in front of the cameras at the Super Bowl or the Olympics. That should go over big.

          Obviously, ICE has far too much money.

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          Because events are when the general population actively pay attention. It’s why ads cost so much during that time.

          Someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch the news is probably going to be watching sports. But they’re also probably watching it with a half dozen friends, who they can talk about it.

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        At my night classes, someone brought up Epstein and a student my age said that she thought it was released a few years ago. I don’t think she’s stupid. She has like 5 kids and was attending night school for more job experience.

        Yep, so much of people yelling about “stupid” voters is victim blaming people experiencing poverty and the US’s lack of social safety nets

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          When you are working multiple jobs, and trying to keep your kids from becoming juvenile delinquents, drugged out zombies, or pregnant, it can be hard to keep up with the daily news.

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          I know through studies of the economic anxiety that the poor have, which led them to elect the populist right, but I didn’t personally feel it until I lived close to an underprivileged area. They do not get support from the government, and any social housing is blocked by the property-owning middle and wealthy class, because it brings down the property values. As a result, the poor are made to compete for limited resources with migrants, who themselves are victims of imperial capitalism through foreign interventions and environmental exploitation, leading to climate change and its resulting economic decline of the land prompt people to move. The competition for resources makes both locals and migrants go at each others throats, while the rich are laughing their way to the banks with the wealth pickpocketed from the rest of us.

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        A lot of people don’t know about ICE because of personal distractions, but also the hyper-personalisation of mass media cooped all of us into our own bubble, which gives us information blindspot. We don’t really watch TV anymore, so we no longer share the same sources of information. Most people these days use social media for news, but the algorithm of social media curates our desires, which then forces us into a tunnel vision. Hence, we each live in different sets of reality, seeing only what the social media shows us.

        But on the one hand, and I don’t know what to make of it, people genuinely switch off from the news because it makes them depress. I understand where they are coming from, but being completely cut off from news is just silly. A friend of mine did not even know about Trump threatening to take over Greenland.

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    how is that possible when its not even legitamate immigration enforcement. they have went to far in their invasion of cities and disregarding the consitution.

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    Two-thirds of Americans say ICE has ‘gone too far’

    How many are willing to do something to change it?

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    The thing that bothers me is that in 2024, polling found a majority of Americans favored Trump on immigration and trusted him more than Harris to do a good job on the issue.

    When I guessed what Trump was going to do about immigration, it looked a whole lot like what he’s actually doing. It wasn’t especially hard to guess because he said what he intended to do. While that’s not a guarantee with a habitual liar, he did have a record of attempting to keep campaign promises.

    What the hell were people who trusted him on immigration in 2024 and don’t like what he’s doing in 2026 expecting?

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      In 2002-03, I told anyone who would listen that the Iraq war was a stupid idea, and that went so well (/s) that GWB actually won the 2004 election (unlike 2000)

      By the end of 2006, almost everyone said they opposed the war and had always opposed the war, that they were outraged by Abu Ghraib and soldiers being killed by IEDs and etc.

      In my experience, Americans aren’t bloodthirsty monsters, but they have crappy imaginations and memories, so they have to actually see an obviously terrible idea get played out and be completely terrible before they will recognize that it is terrible, and then they’ll tell you they knew it was terrible all along. I don’t think we’re much different than people anywhere else in the world in those regards, though.

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        We see a lot of people without imagination, when it comes to the elections being stolen or the possibility of civil war. I personally think many people are rejecting reality, trying to comfort themselves with the idea that nothing can change. Nothing can get better, but it can’t get worse either. Thus, nothing needs to be done by them.

        Anyhow, it will be up to people who have more spirit to decide the direction of this country. Hopefully, you and I will live to see a better world, forged by our hands.

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    Are the two thirds ready to do something about it? Or are they waiting until Trump cancels the midterms first?