To go deeper: some animals act curiously, others with fear, but only a few of them understand what the mirror does and use it to inspect themselves.

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    There’s been an extensive marketing campaign to convince people that LLMs are intelligent. I wouldn’t call someone a subhuman for assuming there is some truth to that.

    Of those that understand what an LLM is, I think you can divide them into two groups, the honest, and the dishonest. Honest people see no use in a bullshit generator, a lying machine. They see it as a perversion of technology. Dishonest people have no such objection. They might even truly see intelligence in the machine, as its outputs don’t differ substantially from their own. If you view language as a means to get what you want, rather than a means to convey factual information, then lying is acceptable, desirable, intelligent. It would be difficult for such a person to differentiate between coherent but meaningless bullshit, and a machine with agency making false statements to pursue its own goals.

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    Huh…so what you’re saying is that mirrors are actually AI.

    THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!! EVERYBODY COVER YOUR MIRRORS!!!

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    Not nearly enough people understand this about our current models of AI. Even people who think they understand AI don’t understand this, usually because they have been talking to themselves a lot without realizing it.

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      Except it’s not their reflection, it’s a string of phrases presented to you based partly on the commonality of similar phrases appearing next to one another in the training data, and partly on mysterious black box modifications! Fun!

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      I like to describe it as a “force multiplier” along the lines of a powered suit.

      You are putting in small inputs, and it’s echoing out in a vast, vast virtual space and being compared and connected with countless billions of possible associations. What you get back is a kind of amplification of what you put in. If you make even remotely leading suggestions in your question or prompt, that tiny suggestion is also going to get massively boosted in the background, this is part of why some LLM’s can go off the rails with some users. If you don’t take care with what exactly you’re putting in, you will get wildly unexpected results.

      also, it’s devil tech so there’s that.

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    The mirror test is frequently cited as a means of testing sentience.

    OP I think you hit the nail on the head.

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      lol, Is that the same gorilla that you see in other bathrooms? Or (like me) you meet a new gorilla every time you wash your hands?

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        I think he’s the same guy. I used to try to bust him up but he just kept multiplying into more pieces and then coming back whole every time I saw a new mirror, so I eventually gave up

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    False. My reflection can’t tell me that pressing the Steam button and X will bring up the keyboard on Steam Deck’s desktop mode.

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        Uhmm … you never had a pet bird Im guessing?

        Seeing all bird masturbate up against a mirror is just par for the course when you have bird pets. Its gonna be either a mirror, a favorite toy … or you.

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        Animals aren’t cursed with the human ability to think our way into harmful and unproductive behavior due to conscious re-interpretation of information around us. Except for occasional zoo-animals in captivity that fall in love with inanimate objects.

        Something something about our species basically being in captivity.

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      I love the idea of a bunch of woodland creatures (completely unaware of what mirrors are) investing heavily—and aggressively—in mirrors and mirror-related technology.

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          Investor Squirrel 1: “All you have to do is gather your acorns right here, and they will instantly double in value!

          Investor Squirrel 2: “Bro’, we’re so sentient!!!

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    If I understand your statement correctly, only the most intelligent creatures would understand that LLM’s are themselves?

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      But they are a reflexion of ourselves. If you look at the algebra and stats underneath, you’ll realize that they spit out whatever it is in us

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    the “mirror stage” by lacan is worth looking into here but no, I don’t think humans automatically think the llm has a sort of reified other, but as we get past an uncanny valley and into generations growing up with entire personal histories in an llm - I can absolutely see that happening.

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      I think most people using them know that there’s not something there, and yet when using it they’ll still act as there is. Even giving it that benefit of doubt in what it outputs as valid, as if it’s from another person, maybe even one who knows more than they do. So it’s a gray area of “not believing”.