Lads is it gay to not want to die by climate change?
Real men take the heat.
You either die taking the heat, or live long enough to see yourself taking the meat.
Super gay. My oldest reusable bag is about 18 years old. She’s a green/white French bag and I really love her.
Wait, I’m not gay. What kind of idiot would believe that bullshit?
Learn how to swim, peter puffer
Water is gay. Dehydrate
I love my reusable shopping bags and I’ve only sucked like 2 dicks
You get a new bag every time you suck a dick. It’s like a prize.
So get sucking if you love reusable shopping bags!
Try not to get any reusable shopping bags on your way through the parking lot!
But the bags are reusable. Only requires 1 gay sex act per lifetime.
If you can remember to bring it to the store.
Otherwise ya gotta visit the glory hole sigh … again…
But I have more than one bag worth of shopping…
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Honestly who gives a shit if someone thinks you’re gay?
Especially when it’s because of something fucking stupid.
I think what this means is that a lot of men out there secretly fear being gay more than anything else.
A few years ago some redneck moron screamed at me from his enormous diesel truck “f*****” when I was walking with the girl I was boning at the time. What I translated it to was “you look physically fit and it angers me that I look much worse than you, especially because I wish I could sleep with a woman who looks like that.” It actually was kind of flattering even though they wanted to hurt me.
Exactly. As a gay dude, I’m afraid of being perceived as gay because of violent homophobes. Other guys are afraid of being perceived as gay because they are homophobic. We are not the same.
I hope you realize I’m saying it’s sad and pointless for straight dudes to care about this
Yee, just agreeing with you. Sorry if it doesn’t make sense, I’m super tired lmao.
I’m in a similar situation, but I’m afraid of being perceived as geigh by violent homophones
Can confirm as a pervert whose gone to “adult video stores,” a LOT of the people who are loudly and violently anti-gay in public can be found lurking in the dark halls of the booths.
i agree, who cares. unfortunately some people do, and do a hatecrime because of it.
I just went shopping with my wife to Anthropologie and I picked up a shawl for myself because it’s cold as fuck in Wyoming (most years) and that shawl is cozy/comfy as fuck. If that makes me gay, then at least I’ll be warm and gay.
There is no greater show of dominance than penetrating another man’s rectum. All true alphas know this. Betas fear they’ll like it.
Okay this is the perfect post for me to share my hypothesis that Elon Musk is an asshole, but is doing it in such a way that he panders to people that listen to Joe Rogan so they stop thinking electric vehicles are just for women and gays.
Remember how brutal society was to male Prius owners for so long?
Again, he’s most definitely a real asshole, but some of his dialouge seems way out of left field, almost like a caricature of a generic dude bro
Another Elon must be playing 4d chess comment. It’s not that his PR team tricked nerds and later popular culture into thinking he’s a revolutionary Iron Man smart boy, it’s that he’s playing a character. It’s satire.
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We need to go back to when men were men.
What is a men?
Nice grocery purse bro
Was there a noticeable difference between straight men and gay men back then in how they dressed?
No, because being Gay would probably get you hanged.
Correction being openly gay would get you hung.
Living together with your Sapphic roommate your entire life was perfectly acceptable.
I think this may be a result of not wanting to lose some male privilege. Caring about others in a passive way that isn’t aggressive or violent is seen as feminine, so they would be lowering their social status. It’s ridiculous that that could be the case. We really need to destruct gender-based privilege.
These are the same types of dudes who don’t wash their own buttholes in the shower because they think it’s gay.
Please tell me you made that up.
Sorry you had to find out this way. Or find out at all.
I don’t wash my butthole because it’s dirty. I don’t want to touch that thing.
It’s too late for me to start.
Edit: I do wash my butthole. Don’t worry about me too much.
It’s never too late!
Green = gay
Let me fix that for you, the overwhelming majority of straight men in medieval/renaissance times in Europe (judging from the ethnicity of the painting and the blue fleur de lis pattern) were agricultural peasants, who dressed in mostly filthy tunics/coifs and if they were lucky, boots, and ate hard bread and vegetables, very rarely meat.
Some of them were a little better off and wore armor.
The 1% ultra wealthy dressed like in the picture. So I’m deducing what this picture calls straight actually means very wealthy. Some of the very wealthy were famously gay too so it doesn’t actually make sense.
It comes off as bigoted because the author seems like he really wanted to make a generalization against straight people, when actually, it’s a minority of people who have this attitude, certainly not representative of straight sexuality, or even men in general. i guess it isn’t bigotry when it’s against a non minority group, right op ?
Your own internalized bigotry missed the opportunity to make a good point about not using bigotry to prevent oneself from doing their part for climate change. This us vs them mentality is exactly the reason why climate change is a divisive issue and you’re contributing to that divisiveness.
That’s a lot of words to say “Not all men”
I envy your ability to be able to focus so specifically on what you’re looking to hear, but yes. Not all men is part of the message. Not the whole message, but definitely a part of it.
Yes, blame the victims instead of the aggressors. This will surely solve the problem!
Wut
Those pushing the sexist zeitgeist are seldom the ones suffering from it. As in, generally speaking, it’s not an average guy that sits there and thinks, “man I wish I could wear a dress right now without being ridiculed.”. Pretty sure that’s what they mean.
Joke’s still funny though because it’s pointing at how stupid the sexist zeitgeist even is. Even if it’s leveraging a bad thing, it’s aware of and making fun of the bad thing. That’s what a good real-world joke does. No one celebrates George Carlin for saying nice things.
Ehhhhh. Victims? Maybe. But that doesn’t mean that they’re innocent. How many of those dudes who are pressured by society then villify and hate those who are gay? How many times have LGBTQ+ folk been hurt because someone was upset about the simple perception of being gay? Fuck sakes there’s a legal argument called Gay Panic that has absolutely worked where straight people freak that someone is gay and then attacks time because they were shocked or surprised. That’s just the violence. How many men say that they don’t wanna be seen as gay and then bully gay folks in that exact same sentence? They will then put down gay folks to make themselves seem more masculine and heterosexual.
Just because you’re a victim of societies bullshit doesn’t mean that you get a free pass to hate. More over, if you want that to stop then you have to be the one to help stop it. You don’t get to shrug and go along with it while saying “But I’m just a victimmmmm” if you’re not trying to stop it or help.
I agree, I’m just explaining what they were complaining about.
Remember, I’m replying to “Wut?” What part of that informs me that you are aware of what they could be thinking?
Oh I know. If that came off directed or angry at you then that was completely unintentional and you have my sincere apologies. Was talking about the idea in general.
Uh, even with the clarification, I’m still confused at what you’re trying to say. You seem very triggered by this, and I’m not sure why.
I’m not the one disagreeing with the joke, so your triggered comment is rather pathetic.
The joke is aware that the sexist zeitgeist is stupid. That’s the point.
I didn’t look at the username before replying. And I’m not triggered. Not sure where you got that from.
Hey man, what do mean?
If men don’t do XYZ because they’re afraid of being perceived as gay, shame the people who have created a society where being perceived as gay is something to be afraid of. The men here saying “I’d like to carry a reusable bag but am afraid of the consequences of people thinking I’m gay” are victims here.
First of all, I find the premise that other people would think that dubious at best, but let’s assume it’s true. What are the consequences of someone else thinking you’re gay? Are you the victim of thought-crime? This sounds more like self victimization.
Its called social stigma. Its been a thing ever since socialization has been a thing. Social pressures are a very real thing. Its not like men woke up one day and decided “you know what? I’m gonna be homophobic today, sounds like a real trip!”
Obviously personal choice is a factor, and a major one at that… but its far from the only one.
Lot of irrelevant content here.
I find the premise that other people would think that dubious at best
Not relevant. What matters is that the men surveyed felt like they would be thought of that way.
What are the consequences of someone else thinking you’re gay?
That also isn’t a rebuttal to my argument. What matters is that these men feel like they’ll be thought of as gay and they feel like that’s a bad thing. These feelings don’t form in a vacuum. They’re taught and reinforced to people in society over generations.
Let’s suppose that the poll said, “8/10 of men are afraid of wearing slim jeans out of fear of being called gay.” Would it not be the obvious conclusion that they’re victims of the patriarchy^1. Neither of the two actions are exclusive to being gay in any way, but society teaches individuals to associate the two.
- Patriarchy not being the worship of male over female but the masculine over the feminine. See why traditionally feminine-acting men achieve less success than masculine men, or masculine women over feminine women.
You’re correct in sentiment, but the joke is fully aware of that. It’s not a joke at all if this is just the simple facts of life. It’s a joke because he’s self-victimizing over the dumbest shit. No one is sitting there ready to shame the guy if he pulls out a reusable bag. He’s doing it to himself. You want us to shame HIM for victimizing himself??
I mean, unironically yes, but please be aware of what you’re saying. There is no attacker to yell at here. Shaming someone for attempting to be normal is a GREAT way to twist them up further.
The joke is contingent on linking completely unrelated factors. If you don’t, the joke doesn’t make sense. Its based on accepting the premise that sexuality has literally anything to do with environmentalism or responsibility.
Sure, its a premise posited by those mired in toxic masculinity… but why accept that premise? That is the core of the joke, accepting a premise that is wholly false.
No, it’s a premise based in the reality of a sexist culture. The fuck commentary do you think it’s trying to make?
Not the person you’re replying to, but I made the original comment in this thread. I made another reply about how this meme’s conclusion is flawed, but its premise is too. And it (inadvertently, I don’t think OP had any malicious intentions) erases centuries of homophobia in the process.
The basic argument being made here hinges on the fact that the person in the top picture (Louis XIV, I belive but I was never good with monarchy) is wearing items associated today as being feminine and says that modern men have regressed in their sexual security for being too afraid to dress that way, but ignores the fact that those items didn’t have those connotations at the time. It isn’t like King Louis said “yeah I know these shoes make me look gay, but I’m going to wear them anyway.” It’s a false comparison between two tome period, attitudes, societies, etc. being made.
Yes, but that is obviously reading WAY too much in to the anachronism. The point is NOT that those were normal back then, but that they magically aren’t today.
The juxtaposition is the ENTIRE point: Sex-based fashion (and most other things) IS NOT intrinsic to the sexes. If you analyze it by removing it from modern context, you no longer have ANY juxtaposition to point at, and thus miss the entire point.
The POINT is that it was different back then vs today. The entire point is to demonstrate that gender expression changes COMPLETELY over time, showing that it is a social construct and not intrinsic to the sexes what so ever.
The point of the message is reinforced by the fact that the modern guy is twisting themselves up over “completely unrelated” things. You guys are literally complaining about things that reinforce the main point.
I would argue they’re the victims and the ones making society that way at the same time.
When I was a kid “that’s gay” and calling people “fags” was very very common. Even in The Office Micheal calls stuff “faggy”.
It was pretty heavily shamed and my dad was very worried my brothers or I might turn out gay if we played with our sister’s toys. I had an uncle say to be careful or we’d turn out with “limp wrists” and he did that stereotypical gay wrist gesture.
And does anyone else remember “metrosexual”? I got called that because I liked wearing nice clothes and putting product in my hair (growing up the expectation in the town I was from was that men tucked in their shirts and made themselves look nice, so that being borderline gay confused the heck out of me).
Nowadays I never ever hear that kind of language (except for online trolls), and that family is very much fine with LGBTQ people (except still fairly confused on the trans parts).
Progress has been slow buts better than I thought it would be as a kid — even the Pope preaches acceptance of gay people (though this gets him some hate).
Yeah as a trans woman I was beaten up for being feminine as a kid. Nothing like how it was for older generations, but I definitely remember it. I remember learning to fear femininity in any form including looking nice in a polished masculine way because it was seen as gay and queerness came with ostracism or at least some people being uncomfortable with you.
It’s easy to forget that that era was a thing, but jeez I remember so many jokes about how anyone who drove a Prius had to be gay, ironically from the same people who constantly whined about gas prices.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that, I was a straight kid and got pushed around for the mere accusations, I can’t imagine how it feels to be beaten up for who you actually are inside.
For what it’s worth, one of my best friends is trans and all my family mentioned above was very nice to her at my wedding, so at least in some circles people really have changed (my family was never hateful, just ignorant before). I wish I could say it was universal.
Yeah people don’t seem to remember just how accepted and extreme homophobia was. That fag word you mentioned? That was used at least once in nearly every episode of Will and Grace. A primetime sitcom. The vast majority of times it was said was also by a straight character, not by Will or Jack. Was also said in a derogatory tone or at least a shameful one. Was one of the reasons why W&G was loathed by a lot of the community. The gay characters were stereotypes that were used to laugh at but had no furthering of themselves. It’s also why the revival failed so miserably. After 20 years it was made abundantly clear that the gay characters were flat and 2D.
Basically the flagship show for gay guys in the early 2000s was made with a surprising amount of homophobia baked in. That’s how bad shit was. Even when we got what we asked for and when a lot of us were super stoked about it, we were happy about homophobia simply because it was still less than what was before. Things hve gotten a lot better but it’s still pretty bad. Constantly reminded that I’m different and lesser.
If hairy sweaty men were not so monumentally attractive then I’d shred my gay card without a moment’s hesitation.
I think I have to give some of those shows a pass, simply because as a small town straight kid Will & Grace and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy were the first gay people I ever saw.
I distinctly remember my brother put them on as a joke and then we all sat and watched them and learned gay people weren’t that different.
The problem with this viewpoint is that in this case, these people are both the victim AND the aggressor. It’s an entirely self-made problem for them, which is precisely what being mocked here.
