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All other countries without sideloading mandates
We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
- AppleTechnology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.
Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.
I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.
Welcome to the good side. ;)
I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)
UMSDOS?
I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)
I honestly don’t get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don’t get the reasoning.
People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can’t use something and instead have to use apples device which isn’t as good and more expensive but it’s white! Like I can’t get a fucking white one.
The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.
i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn’t open the filesystem on my PC
People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple
Idk why people told you that but it’s never been true. iPods didn’t give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.
I dunno maybe my friends were too stupid to manage it.
But I got told you couldn’t get it on there and you couldn’t get it off their.
I didn’t see the point. Didn’t seem like owning it, seemed like apple owned it.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty
No shit.
From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?
Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.
No. Still punching Nazis and Apple fan bois in the face for supporting fascistic backwards authoritarians.
I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.
The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.
Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.
We’re never going to shut up about Apple. Ever. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to not read it!
Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.
need to slow down and read carefully
The irony.
" from my point of view, the Jedi are evil"
Anakin sounded like a total ass too when he said it
Apple products are all about stupid proofing.
Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.
Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.
No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.
Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.
It absolutely is a valid business strategy, Apple has been winning with this strategy for like 15-20 years now. Their shit IS Fisher Price computers and Fisher Price phones and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Most people are fucking dumb and it is designed specifically for them. So for the love of god go buy something else. Please. I’m begging you and everyone else who thinks they are smart - STOP BUYING APPLE STUFF! Like holy shit do something inconvenient for once
I do. However, computers should function as computers.
True but don’t try Tinder dating with an Android phone, lol. Apple products get you dates!
https://www.garnerstyle.com/2023/07/tech-wars-why-some-women-think-android.html
Any women who (who we’re already assuning I’m interested in enough to take on a date) won’t go on a date with me because of my phone’s OS are dodged bullets imo.
My 12 year old son has a Samsung Galaxy S23 and is a total Samsung loyalist. I hope he doesn’t have to dodge a ton of bullets.
Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Hope the sandboxing is really strong.
Vulnerable people can be walked through malware installations over the phone, or via guided workflow.
Also, naughty nations/employers can pre-load spyware onto devices they require people to use.
Definitely excited to see what the best use cases are but will await headlines this year about misuse.
Their branding: “Apple. Defective by design.”
Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasn’t my choice. I was 10.
One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy
I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be
I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.
“We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it’s not safe to live there.”
“What about all the people who can’t afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?”
“Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again.”
The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists “on an island” doesn’t fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.
what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately
That might work
POC? Proof of Concept?
People of color
But there’s millions of them.
Even if we don’t tolerate them, what should we do with them?
Diffuse sanctions, with exile being used in extreme cases
But remember that hierarchical systems and states will always devolve into fascism given time, and the number of people calling for fascism would greatly decrease, given a different system
Yeah, let’s make Texas into a communist heaven!
Deport them. IDGAF about the consequences.
Yes but look at the alternative: a country united under far right rule. We suffered for 4 years of that and are looking at another 4 years of it if the dumbass anti-Biden memes are taken seriously by enough sheeple.
Huh. Welcome to “you should have been rich adult” club. I’m not alone in such shit.
Stop being poor, dang it!
20 minutes into the future: “Poverty comes from poor character”.
Also look up “prosperity gospel”. Clive Barker has nothing on that.
How do all those immigrants move, though? Are they all secretly rich? Or are you, in fact, just comfortable enough not to want to move?
They don’t move, either. I’m married to a first-gen immigrant. Getting here is a massive undertaking, but then?
And what do you mean, all “those” immigrants?
They move at least once in order to be immigrants, from their home country to the foreign country they now live in.
I mean literally every single immigrant because that’s the definition of an immigrant.
rich enough to move
Just so we’re clear, you’re simultaneously too rich to move (like a Guatemalan farmer) and too poor to move (like a IT graduate)?
Is it possible for you to rephrase that comment? Don’t quite understand what you are getting at.
To make it abundantly clear, for most people on earth, and for most of human history, being poor was and is not a blocker to moving. In fact it’s a great enabler. Comfortable middle income people don’t move.
Haha nice trolling bro
Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck
Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.
It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.
It wasn’t direct democracy though.
No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.
If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.
The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.
I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.
Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?
Exactly.
People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.
People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.
Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.
A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.
There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.
This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.
The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.
The government couldn’t pass that legislation
We had an election for a new government
The government lost seats and lost their majority
The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.
The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.
The prime minister is ousted by their own party.
We get a new prime minister.
They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.
We have an election
The government gets a big working majority
The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.
The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.
The government are then forced back into the house by the courts
Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.
The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.
COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.
Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.
The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.
It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)
The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote
Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.
The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.
We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.
It’s a mess.
Okay, but it was only finalized in 2020. That’s probably why it feels like it hasn’t been that long.
“You haven’t had a date since Brexit” was a funny burn I ehard once I remembered how long ago that was.
We are getting old eh?
Just shows that an eight year old iPhone is still reliable today, receives updates and the approved apps work perfectly fine on it!
Does it?
Naw. The oldest supported model by IOS 17 is the XS/XR line from 2018 September. So only about 5.5 years.
However an X/XR/XS should still work very well today, maybe after a battery swap about three years in to keep a 80%+ capacity.
When I was your age, I was already 15
Vote to rejoin.
I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Every single election.
Congratulations you made everyone feel old
Excuses excuses.
I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.
Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!
Reee kids get out
Can Canada take UK’s spot?
Can Russia? Asking for a friend. Obviously Putin relocates to Hauge.
brexit went great huh?
It wasn’t my dumb idea.
The people who voted Brexit weren’t concerned about their ability to side load apps
Following the last few years the list of topics they were concerned with is growing very slim.
Well they were basically only ever really concerned about two things (immigration and muh sovereignty), they didn’t give a shit about anything else, they’d even say it would be worth the UK going backwards for decades to get out of the EU.
Muh sovereignty and mah freedom might be cousins.
One is just harder to spell.
They are well on their way to becoming the 51st State!
52nd*
Canada and UK act all haughty about being superior to the US but we have MAGA here and the UK has similar, and there is a reason they are called TERF island.
the UK has similar
Our idiots are idiots - they aren’t insane idiots. MAGAts can only happen in a country without universal mental health care.
Have you tried accessing mental health care here recently? We have practice nurses prescribing SSRIs, not mental health care.
Thanks, brexit. yet another win 🙄
Imagine buying a piece of hardware and actually owning it.
grapheneos, calyxos, lineageos, etc.
Still got to worry about firmware. We don’t own shit.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware knowing full well that doesn’t work the way you want it to and then bitching that it doesn’t work the way you want it to
There are no phone OSes that work the way we want, so we should just never say anything, as consumers?
If you can’t find an OS that works for you between android, iOS, the multitude of custom android roms, symbian, and Manjaro on the pinephone, then I suggest you either stop being so picky or make your own.
The true Linux alternatives for phone are not usable like android and iOS are. Android and iOS are still garbage. I am unable to make my own. However I am also able to see obvious faults. Luckily on computers we have Linux, but we really don’t have options like that on phones. The best we have is custom Roms but it’s not the same as having a bunch of really good options.
Sounds good to me. Then these annoying posts might stop.
Would have been nice if they actually shipped devices to people who paid.
I’m not sure what you mean, but they do ship devices. Whether or not they are interesting is another topic.
They finished shipping their backlog of Librem 5 crowdfunds and preorders last year…
After diving every buyer stress for over a year.
Everything we think of as owned is only borrowed from the Earth
You’re going to give it back?
I will be taking my shit to the grave! Fuck, that’s literally giving it back to the Earth.
No you won’t. When you die you lose control of your bowel muscles. You won’t be able to retain your shit.
Another Brexit Benefit
Fuck Nigel Frog face Farrage, The Haunted Victorian Pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg, Lord David Pig Fucker Cameron, Maybot, Boris I don’t care where I stick my Johnson, and all the rest of the Tories who either actively supported this or were to self interested to not rebel as their leaders doubled down on their Brexit folly again and again.
As a mainland European I find Brexit absolutely hilarious. Even Labour is now like: “we didn’t get the bad press, so we’re fine with Brexit now”.
You should never sideload. Cranes are not designed to be loaded that way and the crane or the load could move unexpectedly.
Always lift vertically.
Would a different bird work?
Damn, there goes my lateral raises.
Enjoy your walled garden, you paid for it.
I got it for free. It used to be my Gran’s.
I don’t know how to interpret this comment
Gran is short for Grandma. Hope that helps clarify.
not sure that was the problem
He saying he didn’t pay for the walled garden he’s now stuck in, he inhereted the iPhone.
When is a gift not a gift?
Ooh I know this one
When it’s a jar!
So how big is this garden?
Yes I am, i bought to Apple fully know that it not allow side loading and happy with it. If I want side loading, I would switch to Android immediately and stop bitching about Apple. (Not that I said you bitching but alot of other people are doing it)
Time to get an Android, I guess.
Always has been
Just as long as you get one of the few models that are unlocked or offer a long lifetime of updates.
I ended up installing LineageOS and have been getting updates almost weekly ever since.
getting updates almost weekly
Quantitiy ≠ Quality.
I’d use it more as a gauge on how active this device is developed for.
True, but still beats the maybe 1 or 2 updates I got over the lifetime of my other phones.
Definitely!
That’s the thing though, you can get devices from other manufacturers and you can get unlocked devices with Android. Those things aren’t even options with Apple.
or offer a long lifetime of updates
In Samsung unpacked event Samsung announced that it will extend Android And Security updates to 7 years
I think OP meant phones which are popularly supported by custom roms-The only way we can get a lifetime of updates
Samsung still doesn’t allow for unlocking the bootloader in the US, so after 7 years, the phone basically becomes ewaste due to lack of security updates. Repairability, I can’t speak on, but they probably still glue their screen.
That’s not even counting the fact that SoC vendors put these unmaintainable amount of patches on top of the Linux kernel instead of contributing to upstream Linux, so that their device can use a generic kernel. This leads to the use of ancient Linux versions on embedded devices with no room for upgrade without a third party porting mainline Linux.
“Smart” TVs/IoT devices have the same issue, but often times worse. You’d be lucky to get a new Android version on an Android TV, let alone a new kernel version, or the ability to run a custom OS, with documentation on how provided by the manufacturer, along with stock firmware.
There’s also the problem of companies (mainly ones based in China) not releasing source code for the GPL-licensed software they use, such as the Linux kernel. Very common issue, especially with Mediatek products.
Apple is so locked down I fail to see what the appeal could be in the first place, there’s very little customization, only one hardware manufacturer, and they’re more guilty of anyone else in the market of planned obsolescence.
iPhones historically have lasted 5+ years while android manufacturers tend to support a phone for maybe 2 years.
Only justnow are companies promising 7 year support for Android, but even then Google has been full of shit lately like their pixel subscription that they cancelled right when users were beginning to be eligible for a new free phone.
You can complain about the headphone jack, but Apple devices last far far longer than comparable devices. That goes for Macs too where the hardware lasts 10 years, and Google and Microsoft just tossed millions of devices in the trash by dropping support.
Linux has longer support than anyone, which should serve as a model, but of the tech companies Apple is the least guilty of planned obsolescence.
The ecosystem is the thing holding me here. Everything works so seamlessly and the products are very good (imo). I don’t have to worry that my watch and headphones might not work with another company’s phone, or at least not as good. If there are headphones and watches that would work as well, seamless and long as Apple’s, I’m open to suggestions. Apple might be behind with innovations, but when they implement something, it’s done right (usually)
Havent had any issues with my headphones conncectivity wise.
I turn them on, they boot and play music.
No connection drops or anything else.Only pairing wasnt fully automagically.
I suppose if you’d buy 1st party brands, you’d get even that but that’s only a one time thing anyway so whatever.Tested with a Pixel 7 Pro and Jabra Elite 85h
The true magic is how seamless they immediately switch between phones and laptops. If I’m listening to a podcast on my phone but need to join a teams call or want to watch a video on my computer, I don’t even need to pause the podcast. The switch is immediate and automatic to the new audio source.
Also audio sharing with other people with AirPods works really well.
They typically last longer than non iPhones.
More importantly, I am a middle aged software developer who doesn’t want to customise his phone. I am happy to have a handset where I am limited. Gone are my days of geeking out and customising everything. I just want something that works for me.
The time to get an Android instead of an iPhone was any time since 2008 when Android first became available.
My situation is complicated.
Brexit effect. Slowly but surely starts to show some results.
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Imagine if steam only enabled refunds for australian customers and no one else, lmao.
There are other countries with mandatory refunds.
That’s where the keyword imagine comes in.
Yes, and I’m imagining other countries suing and getting ye olde auzzie treatment, too.
Main point of the argument is that Valve said screw it, and gave everyone refunds, because it was the right thing to do
All other countries without sideloading mandates
Every 3rd world country that was already jail breaking and sideloading apps anyway:
Was Brexit really worth it?
If you have the kind of tax affairs you really don’t want auditing, quite possibly.
Did somebody say “Brexit Dividend”?
This year EU will get sudden spike in tourism and immigration
To sideload iPhones apps? Lol
/E: I realised you probably meant pretending to be in those countries… duh
Why pretending if can be there for real? Not that US minimum wage is not lower than average teacher salary in my country.
I was too retarded to realize this was a joke and was in the middle of replying seriously.
But yeah I just bought a one-way ticket to Athens.
