Over 100 children at the school are susceptible to virus.
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Religion, plain and simple. Religious zealots turning their back on science.
And Christian Nationalist lobbying pushing anti intellectual legislation and measures.
It keeps republicans in power
This is entirely too simplistic of an answer.
Religion is part of it for some people, but on the whole, this trend is the result of multiple issues with our culture, our education, our media, and a whole host of other things big and small. All of which have been exacerbated in recent years by bad actors.
It’s really satisfying to say things like “religious zealots” but the world is not that simple.
Religion is a root cause, or at the very least (on a good day) a root enabler
All religion is a borderline cult and with that you can control: Peoples sex habits, Peoples tastes, Peoples beliefs and from there you can control their very core behaviors and moral definitions (What’s right and wrong)
Read up on how brainwashing happens and then read up on what most religions control and teach and you’ll notice a lot of similarities to bonafide cults. The only difference is Catholicism makes you not eat meat on Fridays and wears you down through indoctrination little be little, a bonafide cults will idk throw you in a small room to starve until you believe the leader is God reborn or something.
I’m not saying the world would be united and there would be no evil, but maybe if religion was never a thing we would default to logic and reasoning instead of defaulting “to a higher being”
To anyone who includes the education system in the argument about why people are stupid:
Teachers in those schools are either teaching through their ignorant religious lens or have their hands tied by the religious government. They teach them math, but not to think critically.
They’re taught to start their logical process with far different assumptions/givens than pure science. In what other circumstance would “because it’s written in an ancient book” be understandable reasoning.
I firmly believe that without religion, all those other “complicated” problems would not be nearly so complicated.
I work in vaccine tech (though mostly to make them cheaper or make them for things rich countries don’t care about). It is absolutely religion that is the problem in the US. Show me the atheists that aren’t taking MMR, TDAP, flu, hep, and covid. That’s not a thing.
Can we agree religious zealotry isn’t helping?
I agree it’s oversimplified, but I don’t think it’s oversimplified to the point of being incorrect.
During the pandemic it was overwhelmingly the hyper-religious MAGA types that were peddling that stuff… and I just don’t think that kind of misinformation ever could’ve (or ever will) propagated as effectively as it did without religious leaders and other ideologues abusing that sort of mindset.
With all due respect, my friend, you’ve given an unintentional answer to OP’s question. Americans have become so convinced that there are only two sides of every issue and all of life’s problems are caused by the people on the side opposite me. This is a false dillema and plays directly into the hands of people who are most powerful. “United we stand, divided we fall”, indeed…
In truth, there are many reasons why people don’t vaccinate their kids and I’d be willing to bet that religion isn’t at the top of the list. Many parents are simply negligent. Either they’re too busy or stressed or incompetent or so unaffected by the issue that they simply can’t make it a priority to commit to the regular procedure of vaccination. Or they simply don’t trust the government or institutional authorities who promote vaccination. I imagine a lot of people are simply “natural health” fanatics. At least that’s what I’ve seen in California.
Anyway, I think it’s not very helpful to reduce complex issues affecting the world’s largest diverse population to mere frustrated axiom.
No.
Lol. Religious adherents make up about 76% of the population of Florida. Unfortunately I can’t find exact statistics for Broward County.
Meanwhile, the school in question reports that 89.3% of their students are fully vaccinated. It is therefore highly probable that the majority of those fully vaccinated children have parents who are religious adherents.
Meanwhile, the World Health Organization reports that Measles cases have been increasing across most regions mainly due to missed vaccinations during the COVID-19 years when health systems were overwhelmed and fell behind on routine vaccinations for preventable diseases.
The “anti-religion, pro-science” gang is surprisingly scared of statistical science…
Religion is a plague of idiocy, but that is not what’s causing this. Conservatism is what’s causing this.
Progressive people who are religious tend to be pro-vaccine. Conservative religious people and conservative atheists tend to be anti-vaccine.
Tbh I have no idea what sort of thing is going on in the US, but it’s not religion, I have not seen any of this weird shit you all claim where I live, like you said it maybe tied to conservatism rather than religion
We’ve politicized everything. Seemingly at random, but we seem to have decided science is left wing lies. Send help.
I wish the left had 1% of the power the Christian right weirdos think we do.
We are the help, friend. You, me, and everyone else in the US that opposes the bullshit. We’re also the majority, and you shouldn’t let the vocal minority forget that.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/mmr-vaccination-rates-in-us-states.html
Missouri’s vaccination coverage is statistically the lowest among US states at only 85.8%
Massachusetts has the highest rate of vaccinations of all US states at 98.3%
The United States was among the first countries in the world to be declared free of measles as early as the year 2000.
Florida is ranked 25 among states, right in the middle, with 91.9% vaccinated against measles.
The problem is when the exceptions group together such as in a school with a reputation for allowing any exception, and become a huge risk cluster. Clearly that many unvaccinated kids are not normal
I didn’t find a ranking by country but at least one map grouped US as “purple” in the most vaccinated group. I think we basically had a success and called it a day. The crazies came out, they got together, they built on their craziness, and created their own high risk areas that brought measles back. Meanwhile we’re complacent, thinking it’s a solved problem
Unfortunately that is not a US only thing. MMR vaccination rates have fallen in quite a few countries.
It isn’t just the USA. There are anti-vaxxers all over the world.
But you are seeing a transition from a relatively stable and prosperous time to one less so and people are freaking out as to why. One of the seen solutions is to reject modernity and embrace tradition.
You also have a lot of mothers who have hinged their entire self worth on being good mothers. They’ve been sold an idea that vaccines cause autism and there hasn’t been an outbreak of these diseases within their lifetime, so they don’t understand the benefits in this cost-benefit scenario.
You can just call them ignorant idiots and in this case money doesn’t buy intelligence.
This is more as an attempt to understand how they got there, possibly to prevent that from happening in the future.
Unfortunately, the antivax crowd is not unique to America, but has spread worldwide
The way it was explained to me, or at least the way that made me really comprehend the underlying why… is that this is a direct and foreseeable consequence of our for-profit medical system and the systemic abuse of trust it’s bloomed.
Say, for instance, you suddenly feel ill.
You have to avoid calling an ambulance because the ride alone with bankrupt you.
So you learn to mistrust emergency responders.
You se the doctor and learn your ailment is uncovered.
So you learn to mistrust medical insurance.
You go to the pharmacy and your medication costs almost as much as your beaten down used car. And to boot, it’s full of ingredients you can’t even spell. Who knows what it does?
So you mistrust medicine.
But hey, there’s this Organic all natural snake oil, it’s only $10. You take this placebo, and hey (by complete coincidence) You feel better, and more importantly, you’re not bankrupt!
So the masses have been taught, at every stage of medical care, that ‘the system’ causes more harm than good. So now you’re subconsciously looking for any reason to reject it.
Enter Trump and the Pandemic.
The man didn’t just light the oil spill that was the American distrust of the medical system, he took an industrial flamethrower to it.
It’s easy, and even justified, to blame Trump for the embarrassing and deadly rejection of modern medicine we’re afflicted with, but it wouldn’t have gained traction in the first place if capitalism hadn’t gotten so beyond out of control.
Conservatism. That’s why.
While I have plenty of issues with modern American ‘conservatism’; a good chunk of the anti-vax movement was initially driven by some of the ‘crunchier’ members of the left (ie. alternate/natural medicine, crystal healing mom-type people)…
Yep. When my eldest was nearing school age we lived in a pretty bad district so we went to a private school open house. Total yoga crowd. Checked the vaccination release data that night and less than half the students were up to date.
Now the thing is, this was 9 years ago. So while it is technically true and for a brief period of time places like Mississippi could brag of a higher vaccination rate than San Francisco it was 9 years ago. It is no longer the case.
Freedom for everything also includes freedom to be stupid. And some are taking that seriously.
A few years ago the UK let their population vote to secede from the EU. The vote was barely 50/50 and the government changed everything based on a single vote. They are now measurably worse off than before, while still continuing on their path even though nobody wants to. Literally no one even wants it anymore and they can’t go back. That’s stupid.
Americans vote for guns and against vaccines all the time. They get what they want. The people are stupid but the system accurately reflects what people vote for.
“The system accurately reflects what people vote for.” …Boy I have this fun American institution called the electoral college that begs to differ. Trump lost the popular vote but he sure did become president. Further examples? Majority support for the right to abortion in poll after poll but guess what? SCOTIS repudiated decades of precedent and decided it doesn’t exist as a constitutional right, at which point multiple states severely limited the right, often against clearly expressed public sentiment. America is not a democracy and it’s national politics so not serve its people.
The people are stupid but the system accurately reflects what people vote for.
Sort of. It really depends on where we’re talking.
If we’re talking about the national government, then no, it actually doesn’t. The president is not elected by popular vote, and the Senate is a deliberately anti-democratic body that does not represent the people proportionately. The Republican party controls nearly half the Senate despite Republican senators representing far fewer Americans than the Democratic senators, and moreover, the Senate doesn’t pass most things with a simple 50/50 majority.
We have an archaic system that’s based too much on geographical lines drawn up centuries ago and not enough on what the citizens of the country actually want.
So yes, in a very loose sense, a great deal of Americans want these things and that’s why we have them, but it’s definitely not a majority.
Should probably add gerrymandering to the list because that’s a fucking HUGE problem.
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As I recall, it wasn’t a single vote, they ran it a few times to get the results they wanted, didn’t they?
No. That’s what the sane people wanted to do after the first vote came out as a demonstrably bad decision.
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Well, I stand corrected. That reduces my sympathy for them, which already wasn’t in a great place with them opting to become TERF island. I guess there’s solid reasons why their GDP is on par with the lowest southern states.
Hey, it was a Brit, Andrew Wakefield, that started it.
Gullible idiots + Internet
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As a US citizen from New Jersey… we’re not really sure. I think our southern states were left in the sun too long, and our western states went insane from isolation. Northeastern states are fine, we’re not in denial. Housing is too expensive to need therapy.
New Jersey? I have two words for you:
Chris Christie
By the way, I forgot his name so I just searched for “fat Republican”. Lol.
We don’t understand it, either. - most, but sadly too few, Americans
Because the vaccine has microchips so Bill Gates can track you. No, this is not true but it is believed by some. Some people will believe anything, except scientists,and these people have very loud voices even though they are about 30% of the population. Fox news and now FB and other platforms just amplify their nonsense and hate. Not an excuse but an explanation of what we are dealing with.
Jesus. Lead. Manipulation. Jesus. Lead….
I’m American and wonder the same thing about these people.
Don’t give DeSatan any ideas.
I’m so tired of this. What is wrong with YOU thinking all Americans think this way? Do you have any idea how wrong you are? Seriously, do you?
What the FUCK is a gun vending machine? I’ve lived here all my life and I have no idea what you’re on about. Was it some fringe thing at a Texas gun show or something? Are you THAT impressionable to believe everyone in my entire country is like this?
Edit: Downvotes without any response to my valid rebuke. You might as well not bother, I’m just going to assume you’re one dude with six accounts.
80% of Americans have had at least one vaccination for covid. That’s quite low, relatively speaking, but it clearly disproves the broad assertions that all, or even most, Americans are to blame here.
This sort of distillation dismisses the countless supermajority of sensible Americans that are not only fighting tooth and nail against ignorance like this, but are dealing with it at a very local level. Being judged for the ignorance of our minority is not only cruel here, but it also ironically makes you seem very ignorant yourself.
Hey guys, thanks to anti-vax grifter podcasts we now have diseases we had almost defeated circulating again! Humans are so cool!
I fucking hate this place
I feel such deep and powerful hatred because it’s not just a sudden illness that goes away. People don’t realize that not only will some of these children die but some of them will develop lifelong debilitating illness such as central nervous system diseases including SSPE as well as a type of AIDs. Viruses cause permanent damage.
In the same way that Polio can cripple people, Chickenpox can cause shingles, and the Spanish Flu lead to a worldwide outbreak of Encephalitis Lethargica characterized by a chronic loss of consciousness trapping you inside your own body like a prison.
Those people are subjecting this to children. If I wrote the laws, this would be a crime punished on the same level as murder.
I don’t hate the place. I hate many of the residents.
I hate myself most of the time but that’s another subject
Right?!
The solution to this problem isn’t just “within your reach” IT’S IN YOUR FUCKING HAND!!!
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Sad the children have to suffer for their idiot parents.
It’s worse than that. Vaccines are not 100% effective and some people have legitimate reasons why they can’t get a vaccine…and those kids are getting fucked by other parents’ poor decisions.
Non medical exemptions need to go.
Vaccines are not 100% effective
Ah ha, so vaccines aren’t effective! /s
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The devil is in the details though. Covid vaccines are not a good example of this as they mostly reduce the risk of dying from Covid. You can still get sick and distribute the virus, it is just a ton milder and much less dangerous (which is still useful and you should get vaccinated obviously, just saying before anyone thinks I am anti vaccine). The measles vaccine however prevents people from getting sick at all, unless I am mistaken.
You aren’t mistaken.
Afaiu it also saves them from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis, which is a delayed death sentence.Exactly. Long measles is like slow rabies
Yah, less contagious, but as deadly, which is kinda horrible 😕
I hate that people in charge were never able to properly communicate this subtle difference.
Some vaccines give you immunity, others resistance.
Some people thought the vaccine for covid was supposed to give immunity and when it didn’t they thought they were lied to and started to distrust vaccines 😕
I hate that people in charge were never able to properly communicate this subtle difference.
It was communicated just fine. I got that info. You got that info. It was out there. But the signal to noise ratio was unreal. People seem to prefer soundbites and false dichotomies over accurate, nuanced information. Sprinkle in a metric shitton of wedge issue misinformation delivered via sledgehammer and you get what we got:
VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE GOOD!
GRANDPA HAVE VACCINE BUT STILL DIE!
VACCINE STILL GOOD!
I HAVE VACCINE BUT STILL GET SICK AND BOSS MAKE ME STAY HOME AND NO GET MONEY! VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE… BAD?
DOCTOR LIED! SCIENCE BAD!
Well actually…
YOU STUPID, VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE BAD!
COVID OVER, NO NEED VACCINE!
HOORAY!
Sadly, ou are mistaken. The 89% of vaccinated kids are at risk of measles as it is circulating in that community.
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How does a greater immunity make you not susceptible? It decreases your susceptibility, but doesn’t eliminate it
Friend, I don’t think you’ve ever known shit
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Manatee Bay in Weston Florida. I saved you a click.
It’s a very affluent neighborhood in a very affluent city. Homes start at $1 Million in the entire city. Feel bad for the kids.
Great. They just had a huge soccer tournament there this past weekend, with kids (and parents) travelling from all of Florida and out of State. This is going to be 👍
If your child is vaccinated then they are 97% protected.
You’re probably still more statistically likely to get bit by an alligator, or stabbed by a homeless man.
Thats not how statistic work.
At 97%, a thousand children in attendance were exposed that would translate to 30 vaccinated children being infected.
If 30 children at the tournament were stabbed by the homeless, it would be international news and be labeled a massacre.
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You’re probably still more statistically likely to get bit by an alligator, or stabbed by a homeless man
I mean, we are talking about Florida, so I still don’t like them odds
Failing to vaccinate a kid (unless there are legit medical reasons) should be a chargeable offence in the same way that letting them sit in the backseat of a car without a booster / seatbelt is. These parents, as stupid and credulous as they are, have endangered their kids and some of them might suffer life altering injuries or death from that.
They endanger more than just their own kids.
Any parent of a kid that is unvaccinated should be charged with abuse and child endangerment IMO.
At first I though this was a bit draconian; that is, solving what is largely an education/misinformation issue and diminishing civil liberties all the while opening the door to abuse from a more nefarious government — on the other hand, it would force the topic of vaccinations into a court of law where anti-vaxx fallacies would fall completely flat.
Personally I’d much rather bring up charges against the primary sources of such misinformation; then that might cause them to think twice about spreading lies in the future.
But America is open for business when it comes to grift. From Alex Jones and Joe Rogan to Steve Bannon — they understand that the gullible are profitable.
The problem is with primary souce is that for all intents and purposes there isnt one anymore. Sure back in the 90s there were but its a lot like creationism, a rat king of lies and stupid shit. Self perpetrating bullshit has to be dealt with via other means.
If this continues for a couple of generations we will have weeded out the idiots, fucking bullshit it comes at the cost of innocent children.
Ironically, this is also the pro-life crowd, too. Weird how they don’t care about the lives of children.
Just before birth. After birth, it’s all bootstraps.
After birth in bootstraps would make a horrific AI generative art prompt
Not even before birth. There is no push for helping pregnant people in any way, more the opposite.
I doubt it, they breed too fast.
No matter your side, that’s not a cool way to talk about people.
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Measles existed for thousands of years before vaccines, but we still have idiots…
Tbf, it wasn’t as self-selecting before the vaccine
Sadly, the stupid people had children…
Idiocracy
It really is the roaring twenties all over again
Though now we’re roaring out of frustration.
(Except for the suit for breakfast it really is pretty close.)
My wife and I call it the rawring twenties.
If I had a time machine, I’d abduct antivaxxers and take them back in time before vaccines existed and ask them to explain their position to someone who lost half a dozen children to now-preventable illnesses.
Wow, who could’ve ever precicted not vaccinating your kids because you saw your neighborhood drunk stay at home mom who believes in healing crystals “explain” why scientists are wrong was a dumb decision that would lead to this ?
I think this is Nature’s way of reducing the population of stupid people. If you’re too dumb to listen to the advice of scientists, you’re probably too ignorant to survive in modern society. I feel sad for the waste of humanity but I have no control over your stupidity.
The issue is that it’s impacting the children of stupid people (who very well may already be vaccinated). I find it difficult to rejoice in the suffering of innocent people for the actions of another.
Lol “survive” on a longer biological scale means living AND reproducing. These idiots are capping off their own bloodlines
Oh absolutely! I apologize for not making it clear that I blame these stupid people for their stupidity.
While not always the case, the children of stupid people often become the next generation of stupid people.
Is it time to go get a MMR booster?
The CDC doesn’t recommend it in most cases but you can get one. I’m glad you asked because I didn’t realize MMR boosters were even available for adults. My mom has cancer and is on chemo so I think I should get this. If you don’t fit any of the cases that the adult booster is recommended for I suppose you could just say you don’t remember getting it as a child or that you have a close relative with cancer and see if they sticks. But, I mean, I’m not sure if you actually need to justify it. Maybe you can just walk in and get it.
I am currently ttc and they made me get tested to see how my antibodies were for measles, mumps and rubella (and some other diseases we were vaccinated against in childhood). My rubella antibodies were pretty much non existent now. It can wear off over the decades. Was told I should get the MMR booster before becoming pregnant. So I guess maybe its not a bad idea for us adults to get our antibodies tested, or maybe go ahead and get the booster if its available in your country or area if you are in your thirties or older. Especially since a bunch of parents are no longer vaccinating their children, the herd immunity isn’t protecting those who either were unable to get vaccinated or the antibodies from infection/vaccination have worn off. My stepfather completely lost his hearing in his right ear because he got measles as a boy (before the vaccine was created). So even ignoring the horrible painful rash you get, it can also make you deaf, blind, or kill you. A lot of us have forgotten how damaging these diseases can be, we’ve been spoiled by our vaccine protection. Even if you got your MMR shots as an infant it does wear off and you will no longer be protected by herd immunity.
edit: i wrote father in law instead of stepfather
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I never heard of Gene Tierney, I’ll look at your links. I can’t imagine what it was like for them to know that an ignorant fan caused their child to have such difficulties for the rest of their life. I got MMR booster a couple months ago and my husband is currently getting bloodwork done to see what his titre levels are too. There’s been a concerning uptick of cases where we live and the MMR booster is in shorter supply now so our doctor doesn’t want to give them out unnecessarily if he doesn’t need them.
Thank you very much for your well wishes, it was nice reading a kind comment (even if I am 2 months late).
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Yes just get your titers tested, that will let you know. It’s a simple test.
Seriously, I’d like to know too. I’ve always thought that you got them and then you were done. But maybe that was counting on there not being a bunch of disease vectors walking around.
From this comment thread it looks like I should go get it. Could go get antibodies tested but then I gotta make 2 appointments and I’m too lazy.
We just need more good guys with guns to fight off the evil Soros measles 5G virus implant.
If someone calls the cops and say the measle striken kid needs a health check, they can absolutely cure him with bullets.
Looks like little Timmy…
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