How about the governors suggest that their residents don’t travel internationally with ammunition?
It is very unlikely these people were carrying ammo.
they admit to it.
Ryan Watson, 40, of Oklahoma, a father of two who was most recently arrested for unknowingly having ammo in his bag on April 12, remains on the island. Both men previously told Fox News Digital that they had the ammo in their bags from prior hunting trips.
Michael Lee Evans, 72, pleaded guilty to having ammunition in his bag on April 24, according to local news outlet the Turks & Caicos Sun. His sentencing hearing is scheduled for June 18.
why are you fabricating bullshit?
I’m not fabricating anything. I’m skeptical that a bunch of irresponsible gun nuts keep getting caught in a nation no irresponsible gun nut has ever heard of, while somehow avoiding capture everywhere else.
Its also strange to me that people on a site all about ACAB when it comes to their own nations are not throwing that skepticism to a nation they also have likely never heard of.
You stated: It is very unlikely these people were carrying ammo.
they admitted to carrying the ammo.
look buddy just because you’re not familiar with the turks doesn’t mean it’s not real. your lack of experience and geography knowledge doesn’t poof it out of existence.
https://jalopnik.com/a-gun-is-stolen-from-a-car-every-9-minutes-in-america-1851472717
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/san-antonio-guns-stolen-cars-18570908.php
you really think the gun nuts put that much thought into storage and care for their firearms and associated material huh?
what a buffoon.
I like that I reference the fact that irresponsible gun owners suddenly flocking end masse to a place they wouldn’t have hears of turns into you accusing me of having never hears of that place.
Like… What? Okay.
I get it, you like to argue on the internet and being mr. Smarty pants is super important to you. But at least make sense.
I like that I reference the fact that irresponsible gun owners suddenly flocking end masse to a place they wouldn’t have hears of turns into you accusing me of having never hears of that place.
en masse.
not end.
why the fuck would people flock to a place they’d never heard of? do you stop to read the shit you’re writing?
I don’t like to argue on the internet, I like to point out how stupid, inane, and poorly constructed your arguments are. I’m sorry, but I don’t have the time or crayons to draw you a picture so it’d make sense to you.
I think you should be taking your anger out on your mother, not randos on the internet, or therapy.
Or go back to reddit. Have a good night.
“I have never heard of this country, therefore any arrest made there is a conspiracy.”
Your logic is flawless, way to go
…i never said that.
Dude. They admitted they had the ammo.
I mean there was some Nazi guy caught masturbating to gay porn and his Nazi supporters now claim it’s the Jew provocation. Do you really expect a different outcome here?
It’s part of the Jewish agenda to turn our white supremacists gay.
Happens all the time!
Per the article ‘Four of the detained Americans have admitted they brought the ammunition — but by mistake.’
Then how did they find ammo and why have several admitted they brought the ammo and “forgot”?
Sounds like you’re full of shit.
Why is this not happenong at the same rate elsewhere?
People also admit to many things they never did while in custody.
Something fishy is happening here.
This happens in other Caribbean countries too. If you were to fly to Bermuda or Grenada you’d get in trouble for carrying this stuff.
Yeah, the Brits (since it is a British territory) have been trying to frame every single American to put them in jail since the rebellion!
People also admit to many things they never did while in custody.
Do people? Is that the thing?
Okay. Um, while in custody I never … hopped on one leg.
But why is admitting to things we’ve never done in custody a thing?
I do not ageee with the poster you respond to, but false confessions are a serious problem. Often (in the US) they arise from hours long interrogations without a lawyer, in which police are allowed to lie about the evidence they have. This leads to situations where a suspect feels like they are done for even if they didn’t commit a crime. When a plea deal is then put in front of them which they are told would be much preferable to getting sentenced without it, they sign and admit to a crime they never committed. It shouldn’t happen but is a thing that unfortunately does occur.
That said, I doubt it being the case here.
fuck that, its not hard to check your luggage before traveling.
Stop throwing the weight of the US government behind trying to protect assholes.
I agree they’re stupid, but these aren’t people with malicious intent, and you want them to spend 10 years in prison? What do you think this solves?
I mean, all they had to do was take the least amount of effort possible to ensure their luggage was clean.
If they couldnt muster the give a fuck to do that, and intentionally went to a country that they know has these laws…Then why should I muster enough of a fuck to wring my hands desperately over the situation their own lack of care and concern created?
i think this solves the problem of idiots and assholes thinking they can flout rules and get away with it, regardless of its malicious or willful incompetence.
Don’t search your luggage? Straight to gulag!
How many years have you taken yoga to be able to stretch and twist like that?
No one is asking you to care about them.
The question is whether or not you honestly think sending these people to prison for 10 years makes any sense. It’s the same thing when some poor black kid gets caught with some weed and goes to jail. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, and it’s easy to point at their actions and say they were “idiots” for doing drugs and carrying it around them, and that they were “flouting the rules” by having a controlled substance. But I also know an injustice when I see one.
And there is precisely zero indication that these people are “flouting the rules.” This would actually more likely apply more to the kid with some pot, because they know it’s against the law and they likely know they have it on them. Why would you bring a handful of ammo into a country on vacation with no gun or anything? Hell, even if you had a gun, a few rounds isn’t going to do much.
You’re trying to paint it in the worst possible light. Slow down, take a breath, and think about this rationally and objectively for a second. Does this really solve a problem? Is this a good thing for our society? At least one of these people is a parent, do you really think it’s great they lose their parent for 10+ years because of two bullets accidentally left in a bag? I just can’t fathom how anyone sees any justice in this. There’s no requirement that you think so vengefully.
“If you had a gun, a few rounds isn’t going to do much”
LMFAO one round is enough to commit murder
LMFAO one round is enough to lose 12 years of your life, instead of you know, scanning, seeing they have one round, pulling them aside, taking it out. Yaknow, like what’s done with fluids.
Missing the forest for the trees.
It doesn’t matter who thinks what. There’s a law and it was broken, off you go to jail.
Good thing all laws are ethical, moral and make sense. I imagine everybody on lemmy will agree that laws are the best thing ever that they never break.
Having weapons or ammo on you as a civilian is 100% unethical and immoral.
Sure buddy
This guy fascists
yet when we talk about the morality surrounding selling stupid, violent and dangerous people firearms you get laser focused on literal (MISINTERPRETATION) of a 200yr old document. And your stupidity and support of said stupidity literally results in dead kids, by the thousands.
Tell me again about the morality regarding the cult of the bang bang, please.
That’s fucking hilarious.
“WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDRIIIIN” argument about someone who loses 12 years of their life and isn’t there to raise them after a single round is found in their baggage. Isn’t that what police do with potheads? Guess that’s justified too
So law and morality are the same?
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Ive travelled over i ternational borders with a dime bag in my luggage that i didnt even know was there until weeks after i got home. Dont be obtuse, there are lots of compartments in luggage whrre something as small as a bullet can hide even if you check the bag. Who the fuck gives a full cavity search to their luggage everyrime they use it?
look man just because you’re apparently a junkie fuckup who can’t control his sensitive items does NOT mean the rest of the world’s standards should be dropped to accommodate your idiocy.
its crazy how these dumbasses keep tattling on themselves like it somehow justifies this shit, isnt it?
real bright lights all around.
“But officer I left my gun in my car” https://jalopnik.com/youve-got-to-stop-keeping-your-gun-in-your-car-1850929717
“I’m an incompetent, careless and entitled asshole, so obviously I’m going to argue real hard for these other incompetent, careless, entitled assholes so I dont have to be held accountable for my own actions!”
It keeps complete morons off the streets and out of reach of firearms.
Because people who completely lack the necessary care and disciplin should not be armed.
You honestly believe that over a decade in prison is a good punishment for this type of accident? We are talking about it possibly resulting in kids being without their parents for the bulk of their childhood. Do you really think society is better off if that happens?
you and I both know they won’t spend a decade in the clink. IF they get sentenced then the state dept will go to work and these jackasses will pay some kind of fine.
Don’t want to go to a jail in a foreign country? Don’t break their fucking laws. It’s really quite simple. And each and every one of these idiots admitted to their crime. Not a single one is innocent.
you and I both know they won’t spend a decade in the clin
I would hope not, but I know nothing of the Turks and Caicos legal system, so it would be extremely presumptuous of me to claim I know that.
IF they get sentenced then the state dept will go to work and these jackasses will pay some kind of fine.
Either they do something now, or after conviction, I don’t particularly care.
Don’t want to go to a jail in a foreign country? Don’t break their fucking laws. It’s really quite simple
This is the whole point, it seems these were completely unintentional violations of their laws. The way you write this makes it sound like they just don’t care about the laws there.
unintentional
people unintentionally break US laws all the time, yet our system still punishes them. and foreigners who visit and do the same too.
it’s a law system, not a kindness and forgiveness system.
The way you write this makes it sound like they just don’t care about the laws there.
I think the Turks is fucking justified in being upset at the endless line of assholes who KEEP TRYING TO BRING AMMO into their country. It’s not an isolated incident.
people unintentionally break US laws all the time, yet our system still punishes them. and foreigners who visit and do the same too.
Does it really need to be explained that two wrongs don’t make a right? It seems mad to me that one would say “these people should be punished because the us justice system does some things poorly.”
I think the Turks is fucking justified in being upset at the endless line of assholes who KEEP TRYING TO BRING AMMO into their country. It’s not an isolated incident.
They didn’t pass this law because people were unintentionally bringing tiny amounts of ammo into the country, they passed it because the law wasn’t strict enough to punish people smuggling in ammo for gangs. How does one actually convince themselves that they were actually targeting tourists with 10 years in prison because they accidentally bring ammo in the country? Lol
The punishment is first and formost for being terminally stupid. It is high time to stop cuddling the idiots. They broke the law, they should serve. Or do you think that law is just a joke?
Why do you feel people need to spend 10 years in jail for being stupid? And no I don’t think the law is a joke, I think this one is very unjust.
stop cuddling the idiots everyone!! They’re getting far to warm and cozy
I travel a lot, both with and without guns. And ammo has a way of ending up in the weirdest little folds of your backpack and clothes.
Okay, So good on you for admitting you are not capable of keeping track of your shit.
US government still shouldnt be stepping in to protect you from your flagrant disregard for competency.
I live in a socialist haven, would never move to a third world country.
If that’s the case you shouldn’t be trusted with guns and ammo
Never said I’ve lost my ammo or been stopped at the security checkpoint.
I never said that too.
That’s why you should treat guns and ammo with care. Have you never learned to count?
You’re funny. I shot tens of thousands of rounds every month, so no, I do not count individual rounds.
The German army shoots more than you do every month, and they do count individual rounds.
Yep we figured that out after your first remark.
You don’t sound like a very smart person.
You sound like a judgemental cunt
You just keep reinforcing the stereotype
Dumb and tactless. The classic gun-nut combo.
You literally called him stupid. Wasn’t that tactless?
Go read the person’s comments. I think most will agree that their behavior is dumb in every sense of the word. They need to know that. Not that anything will change, but at least they’ve been called out.
Sooo you being tactless is okay, but them doing the same to you isn’t.
I travel with and without. I have bags specifically for firearms and ammo. That way when I travel somewhere that having just one round of 22lr might be an issue I use a bag that never had my firearm stuff. It eliminates the uncertainty.
Kewl. Till one actually slips by and you are getting 10 years in jail for it.
poor, poor persecuted gun nuts. why won’t someone think of the gun nuts?! ah, they’re truly the victims.
lol. go to Caribbean jail
Ah yes, “let’s put them all to death for owning guns” crowd is here.
ah the ‘violate sovereign nation’s laws’ crowd is here.
how many times do you think they should ignore their laws being violated? 3? 5? 12?
Ryan Watson, 40, of Oklahoma, a father of two who was most recently arrested for unknowingly having ammo in his bag on April 12, remains on the island. Both men previously told Fox News Digital that they had the ammo in their bags from prior hunting trips.
Michael Lee Evans, 72, pleaded guilty to having ammunition in his bag on April 24, according to local news outlet the Turks & Caicos Sun. His sentencing hearing is scheduled for June 18.
What a childish take.
How arrogant of those American governers to assume they can just dictate how other countries deal with people smuggling weapons into their country (even if those people claim to have done it as a casual accident).
You’re naive if you think it won’t work.
20 American doctors starving and dehydrated in Gaza, Israel hitting their supply trucks being shipped in. If the U.S doesn’t care about 20 doctors, they surely don’t care about a few numbnuts
The US, and certainly it’s government, is not a monolith.
You got it backwards. It’s not about the people - it’s about the principles! What do you think the US cherishes more - medicine or guns?
How so??
Impact to tourism notwithstanding, Turks and Caicos imports 75% of its goods from the US, which also supplies 99% of its petrol. They’re not putting anyone in jail for 12 years because the person accidentally had two pistol rounds in their carry-on, let alone a citizen of their biggest trade partner.
Would America just release tourists who broke their laws?
What is an American law that’s equivalent to this?
Weed is legal in Canada, illegal in the US.
Marijuana maybe? I don’t know how strict the guns laws are there but that’s the closest I can think of.
Bring along a Kinder surprise egg into the US and see how understanding and friendly the US legal system is to people who made a honest mistake.
You can bring them back with no issue. It has never been an issue, just a regulatory prohibition on selling them.
Better example: drugs which are legal in other countries but not the US.
What would US law enforcement do if they found you with illegal (in US) drugs, eh?
They sure as hell wouldn’t be letting you off with it.
Copyright infringement, DRM circumvention, and “hacking.”
See: Aaron Swartz
On January 6, 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT. Federal prosecutors, led by Carmen Ortiz, later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release.
oh I can think of tens of thousands of people imprisoned for just holding a tiny bit of weed. bet some of them were mexican, canadian and otherwise foreign citizens, do you think that gave the local yokels pause in putting them in jail? charging them?
LOLOL
I say, keep them an extra week, and let the US gov pay the fine for not noticing on departure.
They should be locked up, maximum sentence. American idiotic laws don’t apply, they are just like everyone else. Criminals that broke the law and smuggled ammo in. Ignorance is not an excuse of the law, American justice system loves that phrase.
Yeah, no.
It seems that these Americans have discovered that they can’t just ignore the rule of law in other countries.
Let them deal with the consequences. Let them lose that American exceptionalism.
Nobody gets a free pass for breaking laws in America, so these Americans shouldn’t get a free pass for breaking laws in other countries.
I agree, but on the other hand 12 years? This sounds more like a 12 days crime…
Loose ammo can creep into all kinds of nooks when a box spills open. I’ve found rounds tucked into the fold of a range bag years after the spill.
It’s exactly why my range bags and my travel bags nexer mix.
Are we talking about gummy bears or explosives?
If you let ammo lose around the house, you have MUCH bigger problems than travelling
Somebody goes on a hunting trip. Among other things they pack ammunition. The cardboard box of ammo breaks open and 100 rounds spill all over the inside of their bag. A year later they go on a different trip and bring the same bag with them, and there’s a loose round in the folds of the bag they don’t know about, but the dog sniffs it out.
That’s why I have separate bags and cases specifically for traveling with ammunition.
honestly they should be securing their fucking ammo better. cardboard boxes aren’t meant for travel. the packaging it’s sold in isn’t meant to stand up to abuse. stop pouring casings around your luggage and you’ll have an easier time with this.
Loose ammo can creep into all kinds of nooks when a box spills open. I’ve found rounds tucked into the fold of a range bag years after the spill.
this is why you don’t pleasure travel with your bang bang kit. spent almost a decade in the military, travelling CONSTANTLY, from training to war zones and all over for technical stuff - never ever tried to bring ammo onto an aircraft.
That’s exactly what I’m fucking saying.
so you agree they didn’t have an excuse. cool.
I’m saying that people screw up and explaining a simple way to avoid the same mistake.
Here on Lemmy saying that you have bags just for carrying ammunition will get you labeled as a baby-killing MAGA extremist because you’re so into guns you accessorize with custom luggage for your murder-toys.
I’m explaining that those ammo bags and cases are there specifically to avoid accidents just like this - not as a tacticool fashion statement.
Here on Lemmy saying that you have bags just for carrying ammunition will get you labeled as a baby-killing MAGA extremist because you’re so into guns you accessorize with custom luggage for your murder-toys.
or you know, you could be one of the 2 million people on reserve, guard or active duty. I had bags for both and even with that, never, ever brought home live or blank ammo. it’s a sensible precaution if you’re around lots of loose ammo, but also, if you take the time to check your shit it really isn’t rocket science.
Nobody gets a free pass for breaking laws in America
You might want to check your notes on that one…
You recognize the injustice of it, but still some individuals, who have not wronged anyone with their acts, should receive lengthy prison terms because you don’t like the perceived policies of the us.
Also let’s point out that there is absolutely zero evidence that these people are ‘ignoring’ the law. It seems they are just idiots who made dumb and careless mistakes. You just need to paint it way to justify the completely unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state.
No, this has nothing to do with the US.
If I go to the US, I have to obey US law or go to jail. Similarly, if a US citizen goes to another country, they have to obey THEIR laws. If their laws say you go to jail when you break them, then what are you crying about?
No one is saying they shouldnt have to follow the law because they are Americans. People are pointing out that this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous that someone would spend over a decade behind bars for making a dumb mistake. the law isn’t just regardless of what country it is. This is one of the times I have zero problem with the us throwing it’s weight around to protect it’s citizens around the world: to save them from ridiculous punishments for making a mistake.
this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous
Don’t crime, don’t do time. Isn’t that what conservatives love to tell everyone?
SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, they have laws, you obey them or fuck off.
Idiots chose to visit these countries, and chose not to clear their bags of sensitive items that are literally prohibited in those countries.
they fucked around and are finding out.
Don’t crime, don’t do time. Isn’t that what conservatives love to tell everyone?
So do you say the same thing when some young black person goes to jail for a small amount of marijuana? I’m pretty liberal can see the injustice in both of these. I’m not sure why people have such a hard on for seeing these otherwise innocent people going to jail for a stupid mistake. It’s like being a conservative and cheering on black kids going to jail for possessing pot.
Why do you want to see them in jail so badly? Have you asked yourself this?
two points here:
one: it’s not the same as the black kid; these people are electing to travel out of the country. that kid is living in his environment. when you leave our nation for another, you accept the rules of that nation will apply to you. if you don’t want that, DON’T SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TRAVEL THERE.
A better question: if these travelers are such freedom loving gun enthusiasts, why don’t they patronize countries that invite their tourism? HUH.
And two:
Want to travel? You don’t get to bring your own rules.
Try taking a small amount of marijuana to singapore.
Do I agree with their laws? NO. Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No. I have better things to do with my life than languish in a jail or be executed for pot.
Holy shit, you’re actually trying to argue that it’s unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.
You’re very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don’t like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.
Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No.
Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn’t “attempt to find out” they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?
Yeah say that again keeping in mind that the US regularly has killed civilians in the past, sometimes by mistake, sometimes as expected collateral. Sounds a bit hollow, then.
Why do so many people think it’s a good argument to say that because the us does some bad shit, otherwise innocent people should spend a decade in prison for making a mistake? It’s makes zero sense.
This isn’t punishment for actions of their state lol, this is punishment for their own actions.
The state didn’t tell them to put bullets in their luggage.
This isn’t punishment for actions of their state lol, this is punishment for their own actions.
Yes, I understand this, and it’s not what I said at all. Not even remotely.
You just need to paint it way to justify the completely unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state.
Let me break it down for you:
Top level poster was saying noone in the us gets a break, so these people from the us should not get a break.
They think that because the us has bad policies, these people should be punished.
Their position had less ( or even nothing ) to do with whether these actions should be punishable because they themselves are bad, their position is about them being punished as some kind of pay back for us policy.
Nope, this is a deliberate mischaracterization of the argument.
It goes like this:
1 - you’re not supposed to fly with loose ammo.
2 - many countries prohibit you visiting with ammunition.
3 - if you break a foreign nations laws, that nation can and will imprison you.
not calculus, it’s pretty fucking simple.
I can easily follow that logic and I get it. The whole point is that the poster is arguing they deserve to be punished by arguing that people would be punished by the us system. What the us system does or does not do has zero bearing on whether this is just.
Well, if people travel into a foreign country and don’t even care about the laws of said country (not in detail, just reading the governmental warnings would have been sufficient), they deserve what happens.
Imagine I would travel to the US and would bring along some Kinder surprise eggs by mistake. Would those governors show mercy to me? I don’t think so.
Or just serve alcohol to people of legal drinking age (in your country) along with the Kinder eggs.
Yep. Americans would shit their pants if they saw 14 year olds drinking beer or wine - legally.
Americans complaining about the detention: “My countries’ laws are fine and the very standard of reason. All of you other countries should chill out!”
Jfc you shouldn’t have ammo in luggage. Not surprised they were arrestex6
Does anybody know if these guys have oil?
If I were one of them, the NRA would be the last group I’d want advocating for my release…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Three U.S. governors this week asked Turks and Caicos to show mercy to Americans arrested on the islands as a Florida woman became the fifth U.S. tourist to be charged with ammunition possession.
The lawmakers’ plea came as the Royal Turks and Caicos Islands Police confirmed yet another American, 45-year-old Sharitta Shinise Grier of Orlando, Florida, was charged with one count of ammunition possession after two rounds were allegedly discovered in her luggage on Monday during a routine search at Howard Hamilton International Airport.
The National Rifle Association on Thursday urged the U.S. State Department to “use every means necessary to return U.S. citizens home to America.”
That changed in February when a court order required even tourists to potentially face mandatory prison time in addition to paying a fine.
TSA confirmed to CBS News its officers missed the four rounds of hunting ammo in Watson’s carry-on when he and his wife departed from Oklahoma City in April.
“To me, the solution here is to put more technology assists available to them,” Pekosek told CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave, pointing to software that would be able to identify rounds of ammunition, pieces of firearms and various knives.
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Happened in the Philippines around 6-8 years ago, nefarious airport security would intentionally put ammo in a victims luggage with the intention of shaking them for bribe. It lead travellers to wrap their luggage in plastic prior to departure. As far as I know they targeted locals I don’t remember foreign victims.
this is not a shakedown. the perpetrators admitted it and pled guilty. it’s stupid american guntwats who can’t keep track of their sensitive items.
Ah I love this thread, the duality of Lemmy
Hicks:
“I have two bags I use whenever I am going outside my family land, sorry I missed a shell or two from the last time I went huntin, so what, I’m just an American”
Others:
“FUCK AROUND FIND OUT!!! One ammo? That’s like 30 pounds of heroin, I hope you go to prison you dumb motherfucker”
