I see this as an absolute win! The point of decentralized social media is that discussion happens across many different linked sites. It doesn’t work if lemmy.world is the only big site out there.
Sure have your beef with the admins of another server, but why get upset that discussions are happening there?
It’s only really a problem when comments get removed or people get banned because they have opposing views.
Pro palestinian comments get removed on lemmy.world. Some people have the same argument as you but about diametrically opposing idealogy
I have not had a single Pro-Palestinian comment get removed from world, and I’ve had some pretty confrontational conversations in support of Palestinians.
That’s been my experience as well
There’s definitely not a concerted effort by the admins to suppress Palestinian support. What I’m hearing is you said something dumb that’s technically “pro palestinian”, and it got removed for being dumb.
Have an example? It should be in the modlog.
As the top comment points out, they banned Linkerbaan. You could argue it was a public service.
That’s a lot of context to read through. Thank you for the link.
i’ve had a lot of discussion on palestine and israel across instances and so far i dont think i’ve had a comment directly removed over it. Granted i’m more moderate on the position and not an extremist in any case so that probably helps my case a lot but still…
It’s important that one group of people should not be able to monopolize the discussion. I believe it’s important to the long-term health of the fediverse even if I don’t agree with some of those groups.
The real solution would be for the decentralization to be happening in the background and for the platform to be accessible from one website and to let users take care of their own feed themselves.
But then it’s centralized on one website and the person who owns that domain has control over the whole
They only have control in the sense that they can shut down the website, but the content itself isn’t in their control. It would also be possible to have the hosting under a decentralized entity controlled democratically by the people providing the hosting space (à la DAO/DAC in crypto).
I just feel like the whole problem the fediverse is trying to solve is admins slowly selling out and then having to move somewhere else. Having one website still has that problem of switching costs if you want to go somewhere else, you lose access to everything in that sphere of content. If the sh.itjust.works admins go crazy and start moderating in a way you don’t like, you can go sign up on another instance and not lose any of the communities or people you used on your former instance.
But you still rely on the admins of your new instead to decide what content you have access to and on the admins of others instances for the same thing. What I’m saying is that the admins shouldn’t have that kind of power. Heck, the website issue could be solved by having a disconnection between the front and back end.
Decentralize the hosting and make the data available to all (this way all hosts have some of the data but not all of it and you can have all data backed up by other hosts so no host can just nuke part of the website) this way anyone is able to create a frontend. So sh.itjust.works would just show me all of Lemmy’s content in the way the dev decided would be best (the UI would be of their choosing), but I would be the one deciding which communities and users I’m blocking. If I decide I don’t like how my chosen frontend works anymore I could just go and log in to another frontend using the same credentials because the data isn’t hosted on the frontend’s servers.
No admins, just community moderators.
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia for their shit.
Don’t make it your identity to defend horrible shit, anywhere.
Past or Present
Banned.
This, but unironically is ml experience
Confirmed! I was banned last week from the privacy ml sub for commenting
something along the lines offound exact comment from modlog which states ban was for violating rule 2 = “Be respectful” (i.e. anything the mods disagree with).Nothing. OP is a tankie / Russian PsyOps operative. If you care about a Russian billionaire who’s surveillance capitalism platform refuses to even acknowledge requests to remove criminals, you deserve to live under the boot of Russia’s authoritarian Kleptocracy. Save your energy for the **_actual_** wars on encryption and privacy that western plutocrats and capitalism are waging under the lie of Freedom™️.
I would argue the tankie instances/subs/users are actually Russian operatives, instead of CCP — same as it always is/was on Reddit.
Literally
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia
But you still have to admit that the West is better. Otherwise you’re doing a Whataboutism
lemmy.world users when lemmy.ml user don’t immediately suck up to political propaganda
There’s a reason why having both world news communities from both instances is a good thing. You’ll receive a much wider range of sources and bias, as well as the perspective of people who don’t completely agree with you.
Staying within on instance community creates an echo chamber like reddit. There’s even such a wild difference within lemmy.world between c/Politics and c/News, despite them often posting similar news and info.
You’ll receive a much wider range of sources and bias, as well as the perspective of people who don’t completely agree with you.
That’s why I often interact with Truth Social /s
The biggest differences seems to be .ml Russia and China are never wrong and Israel drinks the blood of Palestinian children. On .world Israel is just bad, and China and Russia have problems.
normally i would be inclined to agree with you, but when we’re talking about people who “believe” that the left is more of a fascist threat than the political right in the US, i don’t think that should be a valid held opinion currently.
They are both generally left. I wouldn’t call that unbiased
Being non-right is a level of bias I think the world can live with.
Yes, unless you are the mbfc site
I genuinely have no idea what this is. I just came here for the cat memes. There are very few cat memes here.
Since blocking .ml, I’ve not accidentally contributed to things there. As a result, I haven’t had any hate in my inbox since. Just nice, respectful interactions and discussions.
Ooooh I’m about to stuff that inbox FULL of hate!
Your mistake is not having lemmy.ml blocked
How? I keep seeing hexbear comments even though I blocked the entire instance
I haven’t found Lemmy.ml to be all that objectionable. It’s not like they are hexbear.
Try criticizing China’s government on one of their posts.
You don’t even have to. Most the time they’ll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
They would never do that in China.
Sometimes they delete them silently and purge the mod log. I received a message from an admin once telling me that they don’t know how, but somehow another admin had hidden my comment from everyone else without notifying me that it had been removed, and purged the logs. I could still see it, but nobody else could.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
We’ve always been at war with Ba Sing Se.
They can do that?
Criticizing the Chinese government is xenophobia! Straight to the gulag.
Happy cake day !
I’ll have you know that China is the greatest nation on earth.
Those people totally deserved to be silenced, jailed or killed. The Chinese government is the one trustworthy source of truth. Reality it mistaken.
Your Honor, I rest my case.
They’re not as bad as Hexbear, sure, but they’re constantly turning everything into a political discussion.
After spending a bit of time on communities based on their instance, you just get so sick of hearing about it.
Hexbear are vile, ML are just annoying.
Why are they vile?
hexbear is a circle jerk of neo tankie ass shittery.
If you show up in hexbear, and say literally anything moderately outside the scope of discussion you cop an immediate ban and get told to kys by like 12 people in about 12 seconds.
That was my experience at least.
Just like world?
world is better, there’s a lot more normies there. They’ll also generally talk with you rather then telling you to kys even if they yell at you while doing it.
I appreciate that part.
Go visit and see for yourself.
So no actual reason just continuing the rumor?
It would be extremely easy for you to pop in and see for yourself, if you don’t want to take my word for it.
I’ve seen one of their users say it’s ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven’t seen much else from there because that’s when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.
Wait until you see there thoughts on the evils of the west. They spout out propaganda and don’t do a lot of free thinking.
Not to say that regurgitated propaganda is unique to communism but it certainly is very common. It is the cold war way of thinking.
No they are tankies. I got banned from the comics sub for criticizing a comic that gave a, to put it nicely, very one sided perspective on communism.
Communist != Tankie.
Communism is explicitly an economic framework. “Tankie” defines authoritarians who believe in the Communist economic framework. That leaves a lot of room for all other sorts of Communists.
True, but only tankies remove/ban you if you’re even mildly critical of China or Russia
Yes, we know. .ml are authoritarian boot suckers.
You know, that would be a worthwhile discussion to have; but that hinges on the mods not banning and removing the comments of anyone with a critical perspective. As of now, this is not possible on lemmy.ml.
Also doesn’t seem possible on world
Tankie was coined by trotskyists to insult a slightly different kind of Leninist. Then anarchists picked it up and started calling trotskyists tankies. Now liberals call anarchists tankies. It’s the circle of life, in a few years if you say tankie people will assume you’re talking about Kamala Harris.
i thought tankie was universally accepted to just be a russia dick sucker but also commie. Why would this ever be applied to anarchists? That’s so vastly different i couldn’t see a world where that would even make sense.
From a liberal perspective what’s the difference between MLs having “critical support” for the Soviets or China and anarchists celebrating historical anarchists like Makhno and the CNT-FAI who burned churches and killed kulaks too? If anarchists are online supporting US foreign policy then liberals can assume you’re just a liberal and any claimed anarchism is just larping, but if anybody throws a brick through a Starbucks window that’s tankie authoritarianism stealing rights and freedoms from the Starbucks shareholders.
the most obvious difference is that the soviet union and china are massive government entities.
Most anarchists don’t really give a shit about much outside of the general tenants of anarchist structure. I for example like it because it’s like libertarianism but if it wasn’t stupid, and it’s also equally as much of a shitpost. Personally i believe anarchy is the state of government between two significant governmental entities, i don’t believe that anarchy holds a true state of power, merely an independent one.
I think that’s where its strength lies, it can be extremely decentralized and extremely productive when correctly utilized. It can very quickly spring up where needed, and very quickly break down when something more complete shows up to the party. It’s a lot more relevant on the individual to individual basis, as opposed to governments which often tend to overreach or extend past what they realistically should be doing. So it’s a nice stand in in that regard.
one thing i’ve noticed, is that a lot of “tankies” will be kind of, stupid for lack of a nicer term, they might believe that the russian government is the best, or the russian military is the strongest in the world for example. Which is not only silly, but arguably wrong. Anarchists don’t generally do this kind of thing. We’re a lot less directly ingrained with these sorts of power structures on a fundamental level.
Granted a lot of us are political active, as is the norm for political types, like i said we aren’t extremely attached to any one thing. I’m sure there are people in my instance who would disagree with what i’ve said, but that’s part of anarchism IMO. It doesn’t really ascribe anything in particular.
you can also look into this instance specifically, as it’s anarchy adjacent. There’s some fun stuff over here.
This is true if you ignore what words mean
In my experience you can’t have one without the other. To be a communist you need to completely ignore the issues with it. Communism isn’t successful without prohibiting the spread of information. Even then it breaks down after a few decades. It is more about hiding the state of things and crushing descent.
I’m far from a noted communist and I’m pretty sure none of those things are definitionally related to communism. Why would a diminishing of public property necessitate prohibiting the spread of information?
Too most on world tankie just means someone I don’t like
I’ve had comments deleted that ran against the grain at .ml, even when they were adequately sourced. I don’t think the instance is necessarily objectionable, but the mods will object to things they don’t want to hear.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment deleted there, but I blocked the instance anyway. Life is too short to engage with people whose values are entirely antithetical to my own. At least not on their home turf.
As long as your sick to non political or historical communities, they are tolerable. Any deviation from above and you might as well be on hexbear.
So then why not just block those subs?
I did block entire hexbear and specific communities on ml. I just meant subjects in general.
Hex-bear is the reason I’m on Lemmy.world. That’s why I think people are overblowing the .ML drama.
You want to see tankies? Look at Hexbear
It is definitely worse on hexbear. However, if you look at the top posts on Lemmy.ml it is pretty bad.
stick to the linux subs and you’ll be ok over there. As soon as politics comes up, they go full tankie.
In fairness they probably find the Lemmy.world politics subs equally as divisive.
I stick clear of politics on Lemmy all together unless I really can’t hold my tongue
This post pretty much sums up my problems with .ml
Just an example of mod tools in action…
Why do you love genocide?
Even Hexbear has interesting content sometimes. Also, they have great stickers.
I don’t get this animosity between instances. That’s why I’m on lemm.ee: it feels like the capibara instance.
And unfortunately lemmy.ml is getting more online traffic recently.
Is it? It looks pretty stable to me. Conversely, world, lemm.ee and shitjustworks are all experiencing slight but noticeable growth.
Lemmy could really do with the ability to transfer an account to a new instance. The only reason I’m still on lemmy.world is because I can’t be bothered to set up an account on another instance that may be as insufferable.
As for communities, Lemmy just isn’t large enough to be picky. World is the biggest instance, but is still dead on anything that’s not either a Reddit clone or a popular community.
What’s a better way to make our little community bigger and better that having pesky antagonisms over every little difference we can find.
We better centralize over a single instance of people thinking exactly like we do.
Big /S by the way.
And I’m not even from .ml but come’on, we share more than we disagree on.
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias and will literally ban you for not agreeing with their interpretation of Marxist-Leninist communism.
Bad faith “conversation” is their thing.
Many of their communities are becoming “the Donald” type situations.
You choose to socialize and mingle with who you want
I fully expect the MAGA mentality is fully transferable to any other far-left ideological group with a purity doctrine that is exclusive and abusive to outsiders.
This mentality is actually ideologically agnostic and will ride any wave it can to feed the emotional needs of the adherent.
How is that different from say news on .world?
They both ban on ideology.
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias
My guy, you’re posting in a thread that’s just Overt Bias + Meme. I don’t think anyone here has room to talk
This is a meme.
I also don’t see anyone running around spouting misinformation here and deliberately misinterpreting history.
I also don’t see anyone get banned for their opinions here.
I got banned from a .ml meme/comic sub the other day for knowing more about world history than they did.
For calling the outright misinformation what it was and just generally not agreeing with them
Many .ml communities are becoming (or already are) their own little the_donald type communities.
ML is run by tankies, who historically infiltrate, corrupt, and eliminate anarchist projects with anti-socialist, anti-communist, and hierarchical methods and motivations. MLs are to Anarchists as a tapeworm is to a cow.
Edit: stay mad, tankies.
I disagree.
I’ve worked in actual political projects in the streets. And I haven’t found that.
You can be forever reading online why some people are the evil incarnated. But when you met and work with people for a common goal reality tend to be better.
Judging without truly knowing is one of the things we all should be striving to avoid. There are wonderful people everywhere.
I would recommend yo actually go participate in some common local political protects of you can find some. For me it was eye opening to see that despite one or two things we have common goals, objectives and very likewise minds.
I also refuse to participate in the endless split of the leftist space, and the never ending false divisions that only weaken us. So for a long time I’ve refused to identify with any particular leftist group. I am just for the common benefit of humandkind and will welcome anyone with the same goal.
I don’t know why you are using in person community praxis as a refutation of an online space being toxic
Real life isn’t online, the issue is an online space being shitty
I don’t find .ml specially toxic or shitty. I certainly hasn’t been called “asshole” by any .ml user or in any .ml space recently. Couldn’t say the same for other instances… There are wonderful people everywhere, and sadly bad people everywhere too. As far as .ml .world or any other of these big instances I don’t appreciate any more toxicity in one place or other.
You’re assuming a lot about me, typical of tankie apologia. You assert these things without evidence defying my own experience and the wisdom of history. Why should anyone trust you, and even if you’re not making it up, why should we ignore the weight of evidence that lies beyond your anecdotes?
You do you. I refuse to keep weakening our common political space for nothing. Because that’s what we’ll get if we keep dividing. Nothing.
You sound like an appeaser. If you want an imperfect ally, I recommend liberals. Less dishonest and not as likely to round you up in the middle of the night and put a bullet in your head. Liberals are also more numerous than tankies, less indoctrinated, and not usually as politically aware which makes them easier to educate. There’s no reason to side with tankies over liberals. Tankies also famously divide the left from liberals, probably because they realize if Anarchists can unite against their common enemy with liberals the tankies can’t leverage power away from the Anarchists.
Tankies aren’t even leftists, so don’t pretend that their spaces are leftist spaces.
Got any more names to call me? I’ve already got called tankie apologist, appeaser, anything else?. You have lots of names for those who think different than you. Also lots of hate, sorry for that.
You choose your allies. But don’t deny people working for the betterment of the working clase the name of leftists, please.
Edit: I just realized that by liberals you probably mean American liberals, democratic party and such?, not economic liberals? It can be confusing from people elsewhere. Anyway, american “liberals” let’s say the democratic party is cool in my book. Afaik also working for the betterment of their people. But not American so people over there may have a better understanding of those. Where I live the equivalent would probably be the socdems, which are of course allies of mine.
I feel no need to side between (american)liberals and communists. If some of those refuse each other it is their problem, I would consider both part of the left spectrum and be willing to work with each.
names to call me
I said what you sounded like and what your rhetoric was typical of, I didn’t call you any names. Here’s an actual name for you in particular: You are an asshole. You tried to call me out, assumed things of me that weren’t true, and now you’re pretending that I’m treating you unreasonably. Fuck all the way off.
Yes! Communism is rampant on there! Not that I’m against it, but they will mass downvote anyone who asks a question that’s against their views. Anyone else?
Isn’t that the basic political community/subreddit experience? If you go to truth social, I don’t think you’re gonna get many likes
Echo chambers, hmmmm
I don’t know. What’s the problem with lemmy.ml?
Any part of any discussion that verges into criticizing Russia or China gets removed by either mods or passing site admins.
Any comment that is anti-the-West gets a pass no matter how uncivil, inflamatory or dishonest it is.
Why? What’s so different between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml (idk what the ml is for)
Different site admins.
Depending on which mods you allow, which sitewide rules you set, and not least how you applu or not apply the rules, you get wildly different instances.
It’s full of originally stupidly pro-communist, now joined by the stupidly anti-communist people. Most of their discussions are “communism good you dumb” and “communism bad you dumb”, with a bunch of kindergarten level gotchas.
ok, i got it
mllemmy
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How can I block instances on Lemmy?
The app I use had the ability, I imagine you could do it through your user profile on the web as well.
I use voyager for iOS so if you fall into that bucket I’ll happily help.
I’m currently on Voyager as well but I can’t really seem to find it.
Settings -> filters and blocks -> scroll down to
instance blocksand add it there.But of course only block the entire instance of your own free will my dude, you will of course lose access to “content”
Thanks a lot! I just blocked .ml and hexbear since I’m kinda sick of seeing their bs.
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I love .ml and it’s where I go when I’m in the right mood. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but I say meet .ml halfway.
Right you are, I am almost complete opposite end of political compass from .ml but still end up having interesting discussions and finding commonalities. To me .world is where the echo chamber dwelling momos live.
