Microsoft is just a bug.
Microsoft confirms it’s just a bug.
The jokes are becoming reality, I swear…
The fact that they won’t allow users to uninstall it should suggest some things about their motives.
It’s just too easy to dunk on MS these days. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
Twice. At point blank range. To the back of the head. With an elephant gun.
Or a mortar. Point blank.
Have you ever tried to shoot fish in a barrel?
Well, since the fish are just laying there, at the bottom, motionless and dead it’s pretty easy.
Who said they were dead?
Who said they were alive? The whole premises of the saying is that things are easy.
it’s not for the end user, it’s for the end user’s boss who wants to monitor all their worker drones’ productivity
It’s not for the end user’s boss, it’s there to collect data for the future Microsoft user behaviour analysis tools that will be sold to the end user’s boss’s boss.
it can be for 2 things
but it’s definitely not for the benefit of anyone who’s forced to use it
Why measure performance metrics in terms of output when we can just 1984 everyone’s workstation.
Because that would, at one point, imply a full process audit, which will inevitably lead to some shit-stirring, especially in terms of management’s contribution to said output, making it much easier for the worker to see just how underpaid they are and probably hurting some manager’s feewings. We can’t have the truth! Better to Love Big Brother and blame the Drone!
They have better tools for that.
office boss using tools LOL good one
Hey, Steve and Drake are some of the bosses favorite tools!
User choice is an accident. Got it.
Linux is the future.
not until Linux bros find a way to appeal to newcomers. being curious about Linux is the worst user experience anyone will ever have about any tech related issue.
You aren’t trying to suggest that experienced Linux users are a bunch of arrogant fart-sniffing a-holes who expressly enjoy gate-keeping inexperienced users by being as condescending and unhelpful as possible?
I just came from another post where the user said they would love to switch from Windows and just needed someone to explain how to do it with a list of features and programs they always use and asking what the Linux equivalent would be.
They made the mistake of saying they needed Outlook for work and there was a commenter that basically said that that person was never going to like Linux and they needed to stay far away from it because the user “painted themselves into a corner.” The commenter even took the time to call it “Micro$oft” lol
Micro$oft
I dislike Microsoft and basically everything they’ve done with Windows post-7. Every machine I own that isn’t expressly for gaming is running Linux, and one of the two that are for gaming is also running Linux. When I build a new gaming tower to replace my current Windows one it will also run Linux, I just can’t be bothered to switch OSes mid-way.
And yet people using childish denigrating nicknames like this immediately makes me disinclined to engage with the conversation. I don’t understand how anyone expects to be taken seriously while throwing around schoolyard-grade name-calling like this.
Yeah, I love Linux and would use it on everything if I could, but the bottom line is, it’s cheaper to pay Microsoft for something that “just works” with the literal decades old software businesses have used without major issue than it would be to help fund development for a Linux based version.
It’s not fair, it’s not right, and you could probably make an argument that it’s not ethical, but the fact of the matter is, Windows does work. It’s got a whole boatload of quirks and every day I wonder why I hate myself so much that I chose a career that involves working on Windows so much, but it does do its job.
Plus, I know Canonical isn’t the most popular company either, but do people think them, Redhat, SUSE, and whatever other company isn’t out to make money?
Need to pair it with a stable, easy to use distribution and some good marketing and hardware too. At the end of the day, most people don’t want to spend their weekends scouring forums to understand how to fix some OS issue with a series of terminal commands.
This is my life right now.
I put Linux on my HP laptop…
Speakers give weird sound Media keys don’t work Worst of all: ever since I updated the laptop somehow crashes my router? Like, I don’t even know how this is possible, but it’s happening.
I’m not an idiot but all the solutions to getting these seemingly basic things to work as intended are extremely contrived.
The problem is that HP writes drivers and software for those things for Windows, but not for Linux, so Linux depends on random people to write software for those things for free (which often involves complex reverse-engineering). With Linux you need to make sure you use widely-used hardware that someone has already written support for (this is mostly applicable to laptops and peripherals, which often use custom non-standard hardware). There may be a way to fix your problems, but you’ll have to search forums or issue trackers for the solutions, and they’re probably pretty involved to get working correctly. The router crashing thing is probably just a coincidence though, or the laptop is using a feature that’s broken on your router.
Yes I completely understand that. But it also undermines the “give your older laptop a new life with Linux” narrative that’s out there at times. It’s actually not that easy. I’m happy running Linux but I wouldn’t put it on my moms old laptop…
Everything depends on hardware.
I had the completely opposite experience of installing Ubuntu on HP laptop and giving it to my father. It connected without any problems to his work wifi while his friends brand new windows laptop couldn’t.
I agree. However there are some gems. Got one good piece of advice from https://lemmy.world/u/BombOmOm and now I’m on the Linux train (at least on one laptop anyway).
Please don’t lump us all together.
I don’t think Linux Bros will ever find a way to appeal to
womennewcomers. I think it will take a company that can afford to hire UI/UX designers, marketing people, etc.But, that’s hard because there’s a chicken / egg situation. Selling a Linux-based computer to the general public is going to be very difficult because of the network effects around Mac and Windows machines. Everyone else uses them and so there are people you can ask for help, there are software vendors who make stuff for the platform (also with nice UIs meant for normal people). I can only see someone spending money to make a mass-market friendly Linux in some limited circumstances.
One situation where a company might make a truly user-friendly Linux distribution is if a company like Valve decided to make a game console. They already have the Steam Deck which is doing really well, but nobody’s going to be doing their taxes on a Steam Deck (although they could). But, if they made a desktop-replacement game console that could both play games and also act as a normal home PC, they could afford to spend the money needed to sand the rough edges off the experience.
Another situation might be if a big country mandated Linux for something, either for government computers or for kids in schools. They’d probably have to have a support contract for that, and whoever was supporting those systems would want them to be as user-friendly as possible so they didn’t have to deal with as many support issues. So, if say Brazil mandated that all government employees switch to Linux, that could result in some company making a Linux desktop experience that was comparable to Windows.
Agree with you that gov and education should really be using open source software and hardware. Having said that, a normie friendly UI is what killed android and windows for me. Gnome does a good job being easy to use but I prefer KDE because I want configurability more than out of the box simplicity. I do agree with you though that having hardware paired with Linux software like System76 does would increase adoption. Just don’t take away my ability to configure things how I like them.
Most of the time the fact there’s a beginner-friendly option doesn’t mean that there aren’t also options for more advanced users. This is especially true with Linux.
On phones both Apple and Google lock things down so much that your options are limited. That’s mostly an issue with monopolies not with phones. Macs have a bit more freedom than phones by default, Windows has a bit more than that, then you can go back to Mac if you’re willing to hack around and run QT apps and so on. But, I can’t imagine a Linux distro that didn’t let you ditch a beginner-friendly UI for something more powerful.
I’m still hoping that the success of the Steam Deck will get the ball rolling. Steam Deck success might lead to more games that work really well under Linux. That means less of a reason to keep using Windows. More people using Linux might lead to more software being fully available for Linux, which might get more people to use it. I still think eventually you’re going to need non-hobbyists to come in and smooth a lot of the rough edges. But, stage 1 in that whole process is getting more people using Linux, and maybe that’s actually happening now.
(It also doesn’t hurt that Microsoft keeps shooting themselves in the foot with things like the Cloudstrike bug, and the Windows Recall snoopware failure. Long may that continue.)
From the sound of it, we’re well along the road to better Linux gaming. You have to pay attention to a few things like distro choice, setting up software like wine, and certain tweaks and adjustments, but my understanding is that you can play a lot of good games on GNU/Linux now! If Windows Recall can’t be disabled, I may be diving into Steam, Proton, etc. all over again as I ditch Windows for the last thing I use it for.
You save it for last, but I think your last point should not be overlooked. Linux’s recent successes have been augmented by Windows recent missteps and failures. Considering how bad those are, I think we should credit at least a portion of Linux’s use to Microsoft’s inadequacy in customization and/overreach in privacy.
always, it seems
That’s okay, I hit the Windows uninstall button back in April. It’s been quite nice ever since!
…but was it the “Windows Uninstall” button…or the “format /dev/sda1 as ext4” button?
Nah I used the btrfs button
Mmm, butter… :)
Love me some btrfs, the snapshots have saved me a few times already…
The best and set up fully automatically.
Is called “Windows” because they are always looking in at you. I have been on Linux since they announced recall, and their fucking one drive kept secretly uploading my desktop files! (Kept seeing sync icons, even with all that disabled). Since then I now have my wife, uncle, dad, friends, etc all running Linux now.
How? I have been trying to switch people to linux for over a year and failing
I gave them laptops, Linux mint pre-installed. I used to buy auction lots of broken laptops, so I got them for like $10 each. Threw in an SSD. It works as fast as a new machine for browsing the web and watching YouTube. I also pre-installed some common programs to get them started.
My reason was being that I couldn’t get HDR to work properly in KDE 6 plasma. Also 90% of the features from my graphics card that I use on a daily basis are missing in Linux.
If I didn’t have cutting-edge hardware paired with an Nvidia GPU, I would have already switched by now. I build a new PC once every decade, so I’ll check back in about 3-5 years once my hardware has aged enough that people are writing proper drivers for it that goes beyond the bare-bones featureset.
Just give up on any productivity software. And any specialty software unrelated to programming. And games.
Source: programmer that uses Linux daily.
Gaming on Linux is pretty good nowadays. I’ve only run into one or two games I couldn’t get working. The vast majority of games work with Proton right out of the box
Still doesnt work, even when the person is only using a web browser
But… But they got the good press of “at least you can uninstall”. I hope whoever said that starts a bigger shit storm now.
OF course they had to do it in reverse: it’s not a feature, it’s a bug.
Microsoft says it remains on track to preview Recall with Windows Insiders on Copilot Plus PCs in October, after the company has had more time to make major changes to Recall.
Just in time for Halloween. That’ll be sure to give people a good scare.
Altogether now children “It’s a bug until…it’s a feature!”
How will this work at an enterprise level? I can absolutely say that the company I work for cannot allow that kind of information to be harvested. Our clients would have a conniption. I also can’t see our cyber security insurance covering that.
Don’t worry, Microsoft will hide it in an obscure group policy so domain admins can disallow the “feature”. That ensures that mom and pop shops who can’t afford a full time security team still get targeted by their software.
Man, even with updating the Adxm* or what ever the GP definitions are Windows 11 is already painfully under customizable. Like by a wide margin.
/me Laughs in Windows 10.
I’m still on windows ten. Currently trying to switch to Linux. What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
Switch to Linux and run virtual machines when I need to use Windows.
Right now I don’t quite have the drive to do it, but an end to support for Windows 10 would push me over the edge. I just can’t stand Windows 11, not even because of all the bullshit but just the way it mandates the UI structure - last time I tried it my dealbreaker was that you can’t just have it always display all taskbar icons, you have to manually force each one to show. If a new icon comes up, it will be hidden.
this one drove me nuts.
let me use the damn computer the way i want to. its mine, i paid for it. let me use small taskbar icons. let me remove the ads.
If you don’t have prior experience with Linux, I’d advise making the switch before the end of win10 support. I made the switch a couple of months ago with no experience in Linux, and while it wasn’t a horrible experience it also wasn’t the easiest thing to do. Having the safety net of a Windows partition was really useful during the month or two as I got used to Linux, which I wouldn’t have wanted to do with Windows not in support anymore.
My experience is limited, but not no experience. In any case, it’s not like Windows 10 will be immediately unusable when support ends.
That doesn’t even make sense… that’s actively antagonistic UI design right there. Goddamn.
I might try to setup Win 10 LTSC which has support until 2027, but I mostly use Mint these days. Would still like to avoid Win 11, even if I only use it for gaming.
Im in the same boat, I’ll either move to some cracked version of windows without the recall bs, or more likely some linux distro.
There’s no reason to trust any homebrew or cracked Windows ISO. Just go with Win 10 LTSC. All the bullshit is removed and it has support until 2027. MAS flawlessly activates it. Linux is indeed the better option, and I’ll be heading that way soon enough.
/me Laughs in Linux
I’m sure I’ll be there with you soon enough.
