Tesla Cybertruck appears to be facing significant sales challenges. After initial hype faded, and over a million reservations turned out to be as real as unicorns, Tesla is now enabling leasing options and free upgrades to move its inventory of the futuristic pickup truck. The company’s recent silence on the Cybertruck, even omitting it from their earnings call, speaks volumes about the situation.
Tesla initially projected sales of 500,000 Cybertrucks annually and established production capacity at the Giga Texas for 250,000 units per year. After working through the initial reservation backlog with fewer than 40,000 deliveries, the automaker is now struggling to sell the remaining vehicles.
Have they tried suing people who don’t want to buy one?
In case you weren’t referencing this, be amazed:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-first-year-2023-11?op=1
I was referencing how Elon is suing companies for not wanting to advertise on X. But this is amazing, too.
Hmm, it’s kind of like he has an established MO for when his businesses are failing due to his own poor decisions and lack of business sense.
Does that mean Canada and Mexico will be sued if the tariffs don’t make them beg to be annexed?
Trump lifted the tariffs. At this point I think it was just a smoke screen so there would be less coverage of Elon taking over the Treasury.
There are no smoke screens with this government. They don’t “do X to cover for Y.” None of it is “a distraction.” They’re impulsive children. They do X because they want to do X. But what they have learned is that if you move fast and do a lot of bad things all at once, you usually get away with at least some of them.
He delayed them for a month.
Nononono.
It’s that woke mind virus! Those infectious liberals have prevented true patriots from buying his shitty cars to proposely smash their fingers in the trunk.
And now he has access to the government billing office and all our SS numbers. Don’t hold your breath for your tax refund this year.
Hmm, it’s almost like he’s an entitled billionaire not comfortable living in the real world with people who actually have free will! I don’t care how many zeros, he’s a loser.
Probably an effort to prevent scalping. Oh, how optimistic they were…
Tesla may also refuse to sell you any future vehicles
Oh no 😥
You joke, but I wouldn’t be shocked if someone in particular gets that brainwave before too long
They should force the government use cybertrucks for employe transportation just like Elon did with X and NTSB
That might be the biggest harbinger of whether musk or Trump is running things. Trump has banned fed government from buying EV.
So much of the promo for the Tim and Eric mandatory attendance world tour 2020 has come true it’s fucking insane, man
You mean These people
Whoa, there was a lot of fElon fellatio in the replies on that site.
This should surprise no one. The reception was poor, delivery was poor. It’s a niche market item in an existing niche market. On top of that, the de facto spokesperson of Tesla isn’t well liked by a lot of potential buyers.
Just wait till DOGE start requiring it for all government vehicles
“What?! You all wanted electric mail trucks, so here they are!”
(Sadly / Probably)
oh shit…
With all the trailer capacity available it will be able to carry one, maybe even TWO packages!
I’d like a GTA singleplayer cheat making every police car a cybertruck that can’t pursue you for long and would rather lose control and do a barrel roll than even get close to you.
“Isn’t well liked” is quite the understatement. “Despised” is more like it. I actually like the way the cybertruck looks, I think the technology is interesting, and if I really wanted to, I could probably afford one.
I wouldn’t drive one if it was given to me for free. I’d rather take a taxi every day than drive a public display of support for the treasonous fascist manchild that owns the company.
Tesla’s second biggest problem is their shit standards and quality control. Their first biggest problem is their shit corporate leadership.
I swear that every time I saw one, the people around would point and laugh. 100k+ to drive a car that is always broken and mocked by everyone is quite expensive.
Hey! I heard you could get one of these fasc-mobiles for $75k, now!
/s
I mean off the bat that’s one of the worse combinations of people/product I’ve ever seen. I mean off the bat electric car’s target market is people that want to think they are doing something better for the environment.
So… then the guy making them goes loudly in the “fuck the environment” group.
To top it off though, Cybertruck itself always confuses me. I don’t know who the target audience is. The original tesla’s I could look at and think, that’s a cool car, if they ever came down in price I’d be interested.
Cybertruck you look at and think… What a car would look like if you scaled up games from the 32/64 bit console era and made them HD without increasing the polygon count.
My problem with Tesla is that so many things seem half-unthinking, half-finished or half-assed:
Unthinking: I know! I’ll put a ledge in from of the headlights, so snow can pile up while I’m driving!
Unfinished: all the seam mismatches and eternally unfinished-but-really-close! full self-driving (it ain’t gonna happen).
Half-assed: that recall they had to do because sometimes the latch doesn’t catch properly and the hood flies open when you’re driving and blocks your view. Tesla’s solution isn’t to fix or replace the hood latch so this doesn’t happen; they push a software up that monitors the hood latch and pops up a warning, telling you to pull over and check the hood latch. Because apparently fixing the issue that their poor design (see #1) and bad implementation (see #2) doesn’t warrant an actual fix, they’re just going to fob the risk , the cost and the work off to the customer.
I like the theory that Tesla had a long term roadmap before Elon scooped it up, and that he wasn’t able to do too much to disrupt that in the early years because he was focused on LARPing as Tony Stark on the Internet, and the team that developed around him to insulate the company from him were reasonably good at their jobs. But even the best can only hold back so few bad ideas while keeping up the illusion, and the result has been gradually diminishing amount of ass.
Until that roadmap ran out, and/or Elon stopped being distracted, resulting in them designing and building the Elon.
eternally unfinished-but-really-close! full self-driving
Promised by next year since 2013
We’re not all buying EVs for the environment. I bought an EV because I think the car is cool and it’s really enjoyable to drive. It’s nice that the “gas” is also significantly cheaper, but that wasn’t high on my list of reasons to get the thing, either.
The EV owners I’ve talked to didn’t buy them for the environment, either, but I haven’t talked to any Leaf owners or anything. Maybe they’re more environmentally conscious. It being better for the environment long term is definitely nice, and I hope progress continues on batteries made with less toxic components.
Thankfully, I did not buy a Tesla and they were never on my list of options because of Elon. So he definitely alienated a customer due to him being an awful human being. I also won’t use any of their charging stations, since I don’t want them to profit off of me.
You could say we bought our Teslas “for the environment” in a way, though a bit roundabout. When we bought them (2018), it was after having previously leasing a Leaf which had shit mileage and poor performance over 40mph. We wanted to signal to the industry with our dollars that we wanted the EV movement to succeed. Because apparently money is the only thing they listen to. We knew full well that EVs were only a step toward a greener future or whatever but we wanted the industry to take that step and understand that being environmentally friendlier was important.
Plus the initial sales were to people who had already committed to preorders at a lower price for a truck that was hyped up to be far better than the end result.
Cybertrucks are basically No Man’s Sky but without the possibility of being good in a half decade.
Cybertrucks are basically No Man’s Sky but without the possibility of being good in a half decade.
Dag, yo. 🔥
Isn’t well liked…. Is a Nazi.
Plus it looks stupid, like what my drawings of a car looked like at 5 years old
Let’s not forget the quality. Also poor.
It is jaw dropping that only 40,000 of their one million+ reservations actually turned into sales. Thats 4% conversion!
Also, trucks are not a niche market. And there is pretty minimal overlap between the kind of douche who wants one of these and people who object to Musk’s behavior. It’s designed for his cult, especially.
Nazi truck.
Apparently Elon hates it when you call them swasticars, so definitely do not do that.
*SwastiKKKar
I’m not sure why, but every time I see one I think of a giant tick that has guzzled way too much blood and is about to explode.
Swasticars for swasticucks
I can understand why Nazis like it, given the truck’s habit of trapping you inside as it engulfs you in flames.
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Every time a Tesla burns a devil gets it’s horns.
Innocent people are being killed. Not really something to celebrate.
They bought a cybertruck. Are they really innocent?
Or they know someone who bought a cyber truck. Passengers who accepted a ride. Children or family members who have no control over what the buyer does. Be realistic
“People deserve to die for buying the wrong car. I am the good guy in this scenario.”
Wankpanzer
Apartheidsemi
Fashcan?
The best thing they could do for their sales is get rid of all ties to Elon Musk.
And get real professionals to design and build future models.
Also have anyone who understands basic car design point out why shit like door opening buttons are a terrible idea in emergencies. Or why requiring the doors to lock during a software update is stupid. Or why putting electronics not designed for extreme heat is terrible. Or that trying to use cameras in bad weather isn’t any better than human eyes…
Now, the origin of all those terrible ideas will be running the government.
It’s all 5d chess technology that us plebs would never understand, what with our preference for simple, maintainable shit.
I’m sure people pointed out all of those things and were overruled by the Nazi manchild in charge.
Just ordinary professionals will do nicely.
Or even better, get Olivier Boulet (of Mitsubishi infamy) to do their future designs so we can put the company out of its misery.
I definitely would’ve considered Tesla as my first EV but as of now they’re dead to me. If he was completely gone then that actually becomes a selling point for me.
Instead they did the opposite and gave him the biggest bonus in world history.
As the article title states, unlike Elon Musk, Tesla pulls out.
While true this still won’t make the Cyberdrumpf meet EU regulations. You can’t make it street legal here.
They’ve gone a long way on flash and sex appeal but I think a little straightforward practical value would help them a lot. The market is awash in good competition now so their novelty effect is gone. And the sex appeal has ended for everyone except for 40k cyberdouches.
All they had to do was build a solid, reliable truck, and not be fascist. Instead they build a poorly glued together piece of shit and sieg heil. I fucking hate this timeline.
Don’t hate the timeline, hate the news. There are real people out there still trying to make the world work, getting stepped on, pushed over, marginalized, silenced. They need you. They need all of us. Do not let The Bastards win.
(I’m still workshopping the “don’t hate the player hate the game” - suggestions are welcome. Words can still inspire people, even before coffee)
Thanks, friend. Much needed words. Maybe I’ll put my decades of counter strike to good use at some point.
I hear it pairs well with Super Mario Bros
I suddenly realize why I was so good at bhopping without scripts. Haha I’d get banned for cheats and never cheated once.
I still refuse to see it as a truck. The defining feature of a truck is its bed, and the bed on this thing is presented as an afterthought. Covered, undersized, impossible to access from the sides. It’s just a tank. A penis prosthesis for the undersized.
I fucking hate this timeline.
I keep seeing people say this. However, hate is what created this timeline. I don’t believe it’s what will get us into a new one.
I mean no offense towards you; I want you to know this. I guess I just finally realized what it is that bothers me about that statement. In fact, I share your sentiment. Because not only are they poorly made, common sense safety measures are removed and replaced with poorly engineered crap that traps people, while other badly designed components catch fire and burn them to death.
First time I’ve used this phrase, myself. But I had such hope for the future and I guess I am finally admitting my hope is gone.
I do not blame you. I just happen to be the most stubborn idiot I know. shrug
Edit: I go back to my feed and see this:
Got a good chuckle at the bitter irony…
I think the answer is some kind of cynical optimism. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. You never know, they might all die tomorrow in a plane crash or something.
My cynical take on that stance is they probably overstaff the airpots they are flying through to ensure that doesn’t happen. But yea maybe they fall down an elevator shaft.
Somewhat ironically, they understaffed the airport they all fly through, and yet somehow it was innocent civilians that died.
I detest this timeline. I am disgusted, really. I’ve never quite understood hate, though; to me hate feels like making a solemn vow that subject of my hate will always have power over me. Because hate is irrational. It overpowers reason. But it is only through reason and logic I find myself.
The catch 22 is fear. Fear also deprives is of reason, but it also shames us, lessens us. Just as Yoda taught us, “Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
I don’t wanna suffer anymore. But I don’t want anyone else to suffer, either. Not even those responsible; I just want them gone from our timeline.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.
That hate came from somewhere.
That hate came from somewhere.
Yes? And if you fight fire with fire the whole world burns.
And SpaceX had such good publicity, also notably one aesthetically the very opposite of sieg heil.
I mean, aesthetics of Tesla advertising and design and everything were pretty different from SpaceX from the very beginning. I wonder how could Musk be the founder of both. Maybe they’ll find traces of a brain worm in him too. Can’t be solely ketamine.
I wonder how could Musk be the founder of both
he’s not a Tesla founder, he only bought it
OK. Then I’d guess it’s him sabotaging the idea of EV’s.
He has never founded or invented anything. Every business he owns, he bought from others. In some cases he forced them to refrain from claiming to be founders at all. He’s pathetic scum.
Apparently he did really found SpaceX. I’m not saying he did everything necessary on C-level to make it a functional company, but that’s not really required (though if we think of such companies as Sun, there one can really see Bill Joy’s deep participation in a lot of different core projects).
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Were people allowed to cancel orders due to that price hike?
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Have they actually sold any for that little?
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Yeah I thought so.
Quite a few people would think $60k is a good price. It’s not, but it’s more palatable in the current car market.
$80k+ for it is only justifiable by shitheads.
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Exactly I thought this would be a purely functional truck at a good price, but for that much it is not worth it
Is this the one they let musk design? Feels like a Simpsons episode…
Personally, I’m holding out for the Tesla minivan.
Wow, it’s beautiful and so futuristic! It’s almost like living in the future today. I bet Tesla could sell twice as many as the Cybertrucks of those. Provided he makes it bulletproof of course. The great weakness and the reason for the disappointing sales of the Cybertruck is that the glass isn’t bulletproof, I simply can’t think of any other reason.
The Cyberbox! Imagine it! A box, with wheels! Don’t need windshields because the cameras are superior.
Absolutely, I don’t need windows, I use Linux! 😋
Imagining my new all electric commuting box with a high fidelity decal of Linus Trovalds giving the guy in the back a double fisted middle finger!
With speed lines and fire ball theme. The reverse sound alarm is the same thing they use in kei trucks…cute Japanese voice model saying excuse me I’m backing up! For lights, we would want fog lights along with a fog horn, we would want 300w for normal driving, 5000w for blinding incoming traffic and flash bulbs in case anyone wants to follow me too closely. A green laser for traffic cameras, and an LED screen so I can tell the guy behind me things I did with his mother. " We went shopping together yesterday… At Victoria’s secret!"…and that’s the design and how I would end a conversation regarding Tesla trucks.
I guess if Hitler was allowed to design a car, Musk didn’t want to be left behind.
At least that one had big cup holders.
That one ruined Danny Devito. Maybe we’ll be lucky enough this ruins Musk?
I’m betting high odds he will force the federal government to buy them under the guise of a green EV transition. With trump’s full blessing, of course.
Ugh. I can see this happening.
Maybe he’ll force their sale to Ukraine, so Trump can pretend he supports them even while the cybertrucks break down in the field faster than Russia’s WWII era tanks.
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Nah, I hate him because when you look past his wealth, his “accomplishments”, and his fandom, you are left with nothing but a piece of shit human being.
I don’t need the Internet to tell me not to like Nazis. As a decent human being it’s just natural.
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Nope. Not how that works. He did the salute. He went and showed his support for neo-nazis. If it quacks like a duck …
I’m actually a Cascadian hippie if you’d like to assign labels. Hell, I will even let you call me antifa. But not supporting Nazis doesn’t make me a Nazi.
I don’t hate on people with different views. I live in a very conservative area. Most of the people I talk to on a day to day basis are still wearing their MAGA hats. I’m actually not a fan of the democratic party. But at the same time I’m not dumb enough to fall in line with the new fascist agenda. There’s a huge difference between taking steps forward and burning down the system for personal profit.
Trump is an idiot with a personal agenda. Elon is a Nazi. And the people who don’t see this are mostly poorly informed. I don’t hate them for that.
But looking at your comments, it appears YOU are the one hating on everything different. Or you’re just trolling, which would make you an idiot or a child, neither of which are worth having a discussion with.
Hi Elon. No, we hate you because you know you have Asperger’s, think yourself smart, but are blind to the fact that you need people in your life to filter your thoughts and actions to cover your weak areas and flawed perceptions.
Only a fool thinks himself beyond improvement. Elon Musk is a great example of squandered potential and self delusion.
squandered potential and self delusion
It depends on who you ask. In our fucked up culture where money > people, productivity > humanity, and dominating others > helping others, Musk is the ideal grand vision for what a person with “potential” will become. He has the highest score, therefore the best results.
It’s a fucking tragedy how many people admire both him and Trump for the most horrible reasons.
(In before somebody explains how this is capitalism’s fault. But I’m not going to disagree, lol)
Even by money standards he does stupid stupid things. How much money did he piss away on running Twitter into the ground and telling advertisers to go to hell. If he got the help he obviously needs he could have had it all. And his latest stupidity with the Nazi salute seems to be going down really well in Europe. Tesla sales evaporating in Europe. Just read that Cyber truck has completely flopped (shocking!)
…you get dropped a lot as a baby or what?
nah, i also enjoy pointing and laughing when i see a cybertruck on the highway
edit (and at the people driving them)
I wish journalist would stop calling this PS 1 Pontiac Aztek “futuristic”; it just highlights how shitty our future is going to be.
I mean it would fit well in Robocop or The Running man so I guess it counts
Both shitty visions of the future. Well the movie for Running Man took place 6-8 years ago, and the book takes place this year which could count as “future” since we’re only in February.
So things are going to go downhill real fast, is what you’re saying
It would certainly fit this version of Robocop.
That’s retro-futuristic, a very different thing.
Ironically, the Aztek is way better, despite its age…
I got some advice for them: Fire your CEO.
Fire the CEO, for him to sell all his stock, recall all the trucks and go over them with a fine tooth comb for quality issues, force them all through safety tests and fix anything that’s unsafe, lower the price by 40%…, get rid of the tracking bullshit, You’ll still have a uglyAF “truck” but it might just be sellable.
Fixing safety issues would have to include that sharp front end. Maybe just ditch the entire “stainless” exterior and restyling the whole thing would help with that.
Pretty much start with the battery pack and drivetrain, start over after that.
Look at the havoc that dude leaves in his wake. Prime choice for president.
Fire your CEO.
Out of a canon, through some flaming rings, and into an empty bucket of water. If I have to watch a clown-show, at least make it entertaining.
Empty bucket of water? But we booked the shark - infested waters over a year ago!
Which would win? Clown or concrete wall? Let’s find out!
No thank you. I don’t want a swasticar.
I’d love to have one of those new production old style beetles. But we can’t buy them here because our govt sucks donkey dick.
You mean this style of beetle?
I’m not defending cybertruck just wanted to point out the awkward history of WV
The massive, massive difference is that the VW Beetle wasn’t a shitbox for rich people. It’s okay to say that once in a great while. the Nazis, despite being horrific in most ways, did have an idea that wasn’t bad and this was that. The VW Beetle was an affordable car and if something went wrong with it, you could probably fix it yourself with only a small amount of automotive knowledge. You really don’t even need to give Hitler credit for that considering he basically just told Ferdinand Porsche to do all the hard work.
Not so much the Cybertruck. It was Elon’s baby from the beginning and he took a very close personal interest in it.
The Cybertruck is a bad idea. Even for rich people. It’s been demonstrated over and over again.
Importantly, the success of the Beetle came after the Nazis. They built the factory using confiscated union funds as well as having people pay instalments for cars which they would never get, built two or three Beetles, then switched production over to war-time production, Kübelwagen. After the war the unions effectively took over the whole plant… and also bought a couple of farms to make sure workers and families had enough to eat. Most of that is gone now but they still have their own butchery, VW part number 199 398 500 A is a saussage.
this is beyond amusing :D
Cybertruck = Homer car
Except the Homer Car actually worked properly. It just looked stupid and had stupid “features” no one wanted but Homer.
The Cybertruck isn’t even that good.
I liked the homer car. Massive trunk space, 360 view, small A pillars. And having the kids separate so you aren’t distracted by them. Only negative is you can’t look back.
The lack of a roof is a big negative too. There have been experiments with bubble-roof cars before and it’s not fun to be in a plastic bubble when the sun is overhead.
I know exactly what I said.
VOLKSwagen!
Swasticar is good! In my mind, I was calling it TeSSla.
VW cars are built by Uyghurs, which, last I checked, are a surpassed minority in China, that has to work under slave-like conditions.
But I guess most cars are produced like this.
Nobody builds cars under slave like conditions. It’s just not possible. Modern car factories are highly automated plants that require skilled operators. In the case of the VW Xinjiang, that was QC inspectors. There’s no way a hole in the wall car factory using outdated labor practices can come close to competing against modern production.
You can be a skilled Person and still work und slave like conditions. That has nothing to do with each other…
I’m talking about the ones made in Mexico.
Yea, it seems like beetle is one of the few models not produced in China (according one propter of chatGPT, so some salt is required 😆)
It seems to me, that the cars needed in the biggest quantities and Budget EVs are produced in China.
Have they tried pulling out the “Make a vehicle that’s not a massive and shitty death trap,” or “Boot the Nazi from the company” stops? Because, I suspect doing those two might help it out.
The myth of Elon is still going strong. Now he’s taking over government agencies. Not that it’s the right move, but keeping him on might keep the stock at the insanely overvalued level it’s at. That’s all that matters.
Elon is all this company has, just like Trump is literally the only thing going on in the Republican Party. The republicans are going all the way with Trump, straight down the drain, and Tesla will do the same with Musk.
I just had a talk with a friend of mine in southern Ontario who lives in a farming rural area. He likes cars and often does searches for used vehicles in his area. In a 200km area around Brantford, there are over 200 used Teslas on sale down there over the past month or two because people are dumping them because they don’t like the brand.
The well moneyed sort who buy Teslas also like to change cars more often than the rest of us. Some of them are going to even more expensive brands like Rivian, and there’s a huge array of less expensive, more practical options.
Here’s how I personally see the brand transformation. I don’t believe these people are so principled that they are dumping these cars in protest. It’s more that the appeal that used to be there: of being part of the future, of moving off gas and embracing clean tech to help save the world… that little halo just isn’t part of the brand anymore. I see Teslas all the time where I live with license plates like “BYE CO2” and “LOL GAS.” But no one is going to hop on board that Tesla hype train any longer. They are no longer novel, they no longer virtue-signal and yes have actually become a bit icky. But I think we’re just seeing the end of the mirage, not really any kind affirmative lashback.
Have they tried making a decent truck?
The main reason I bought a truck was to tow heavy shit, and this piece of fuck trash Cyber truck can’t even do that without the battery failing after less than 100 miles. Meanwhile an F150 can tow six times it’s own weight thousands of miles.
The one person I know who owns a cyber truck was upset when I didn’t call him when I had a truck needing emergency, my wife’s car had broken down on a freeway offramp. The people that own these stupid things are cos playing as truck people even moreso than the average truck owner. The weirder part of his upsetness is, I was already driving a 3/4 ton truck because my commuter vehicle was not running. All I had to do was go get a uhaul trailer and go get her car. My mind is still boggled that he threw a fit about not calling him.
LOL. I have a truck for towing and other truck-related things and am quite happy to help others with aforementioned truck activities when asked. The amount of times I get upset when people don’t call me to do truck things is like, hmmmm let’s see…zero. It is zero times. A shrug is all I might manage to evoke from the drama.
It was the weirdest shit. He doesn’t know anything about towing or hauling. His cybertruck is the first truck like vehicle he has ever owned and for some reason his ego tells him he’s qualified to help. Its probably his total lack of experience that caused his upset.
To redeem him a bit he is incredibly willing to help people. He’s just got more money than brains and experience lol.
Yah, I was about to mention ego being very much involved in all of this from the purchase of the “truck” to feeling spurned by not being asked to help. My ego would be hard-pressed to avoid educating him. Politely, of course.
Do you get upset when people move without calling you? 😄
Yes! Shouldn’t your parents tell you before you come home from school???
Well that would make you in the 10% of people actually using their truck
I bought a truck as a back up to my daily and weekend warrior, purely for towing and dirty jobs.
Always used my daily with a tow hitch for most things and honestly still pick it with a 6x8’ trailer on occasion over my truck often because it’s easier to maneuver…
A few of us exist
Tbf it’s kinda a fundamental limitation of electric vehicles vs gas that the energy density of gas is way higher.
Value is harder to deliver than hype.
Why isn’t the puny, petulant man-thing that runs the Nazicar Factory not suing us all for not buying them? That’s how you deal with advertisers who don’t wanna advertise with him so why not consumers who don’t want to consume?
It’s the next stupid, asinine step.
I hope anyone who ever admired this fuck face is deeply embarrassed. Or losing money.
Give him some time. Once his cronies get everything working right he won’t have to sue, he can just deny federal benefits to people who don’t order a cybertuck and send their hearts out to him when they receive it.
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Idk man, it was the Nazi salute and hostile takeover of the US government for me.
But you go ahead and gargle those Nazi balls
This guy sucks Elon’s toes
He’s just a toxic troll, check his comment history there’s nothing of value there. It’s real easy to block users on Lemmy, your online experience will be better off without him.