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Asking my Trump-voting Navy dad about this, wish me luck fam
What I’ve found works in exposing their bias and letting you know you’ll never get an honest opinion is reversing the positions.
When news came out in his first term that Trump was having Lou Dobbs on conference call during important meetings I asked my dad “did you hear that Obama used to have Anderson Cooper on conference calls during important meetings?” and naturally he says “of course he would, that’s pretty messed up they shouldn’t allow that kind of stuff.” then I apologized for lying and said “it was actually Lou Dobbs and Trump.” again naturally he then changes his tune “oh, well Lou Dobbs is a respectable journalist, that’s different…”
Ok thanks dad, I now know I can never trust your opinion. It changes based on whether it’s your team or not.
“Did you hear biden’s son in law was the ambassador to Ukraine? And right after he stepped down from his position, Ukraine invested 2 BILLION dollars with his company? Yeah that’s messed up. Oh whoops, it was Jared kushner and Saudi Arabia, my bad.”
I hit a guy with that one. I actually got him to say yeah they should investigate that.
That’s normal though. Obviously not saying it’s okay, but that’s just how our brains work. You’re never going to change someone’s mind by “checkmating” them like that. You’re just going to get them to get angry with you and double down.
inb4 “she must have been up to something, they wouldn’t just fire her for no reason”
Clearly an unqualified DEI hire, luckily she’ll be replaced by a ‘qualified white male’
/s cause that made me vomit.
Well what did he say
Nothing of value =/
It’s always painful to see people we love, especially parents, just succumb to the propaganda. At this point I think we’re just uncovering that our parents might just be racist and sexist way more than we thought growing up. Like my mom tells me she’s "not racist,’ nah she is racist she just doesn’t realize it.
For context I’m an elder millennial
The last decade has taught me my apolitical working class union boomer parents hate bigots and genocide.
Good, I got the opposite lesson for one parent and that same lesson with the other.
How do they feel about one another?
Lol they got divorced after being married for something like 30 years so … That … It wasn’t because of politics though idk I was in my 20s already when they got divorced so I didn’t really care or pry too much.
It is extremely disappointing to get into a shouting match with your parents, who despite wearing the uniform vote for the fucking scum that uniform sent a whole bunch of boats on one June day to quite literally exterminate nazi tyranny. Propaganda and religion have warped some peoples mind to the point they just straight up ignore the cognitive dissonance like an SEP Field
It’s been 10 hours, I don’t think they survived
14h, he ded
Ooo… Do provide an update.
Checking in for later
I did the same with dad and grandpa…I get it, sorry my dude.
Religion is a hell of a drug, these are guys who were some rambunctious fuckers back in the day and now just vote the party line despite the whole conservative platform being pissing on everything about the Constitution except the 2nd and 13th amendments.
To be fair, we have a former actor and comedian as the president. The difference is he isn’t a fascist piece of human garbage, not so much in the career paths.
From what I’ve read, Zelensky as comedian made intelligent political and anti corruption criticism. Making jokes about the bad things in life, highlighting them, setting the stage for something being done about those problems. Broader than his on screen personality, he had middle class beginnings and on the back of his comedy work, he build a successful career as TV producer/executive. You probably know more about this than I do.
Trump as TV personality looked more like the most clueless person in the room, while all the actual work was done by others behind the scenes. No intelligence, no social commentary. Before his role in the apprentice, Trump had started his business career as a Nepo baby, and as a businessman he had failed every venture that he had tried, each time leaving a bloodbath of unpaid bills behind, a reverse Midas. And once his face was known from TV, he started with large scale scams like Trump University.
Those are 2 very different career paths.
Yeah it’s the difference between John Stewart and Steve Harvey
Man, I fucking hate Steve Harvey. He’s such a piece of shit.
There’s a timeline where Jon Stewart is POTUS and he and Zelensky have already put Putin where he belongs in the Hague.
John Oliver is the ambassador from the UK and between Jon and John every 9/11 responder gets lifetime care and UA gets every bit of Soviet killing machinery we have lying around Europe along with a carrier full of 35s for them to train on, training paid for by cutting off aid to Israel and sending it to Kyiv instead.
The last supposedly Ukrainian person I talked to here was very anti Zelenskyy and wanted him to just lay down arms. What’s your opinion on the matter? Do you want your country to keep fighting? Do you qualify for the draft yourself?
Those seem to be quite loaded questions.
I myself would be neither for nor against Zelenskyy, if it was peace time. Normally, there would have been elections last year, so there would be a non zero chance we would have had a different president already, if not for the war. But, since that’s legally not possible right now, here we are, and I’m not about to go protest in the streets demanding to have elections as soon as possible.
That said, I am very much against being occupied and invaded. While also not willing to be drafted myself, since I know I would be quite useless on the battlefield. So the best I can do right now (to help in the war, that is) is to keep donating money for the equipment for our army.
I recognize I’m being hypocritical, since I wish to be protected without having the resolve to enlist myself. But I also recognize that, were I to enlist, my value in actually protecting Ukrainian lives would be very low.
Oh, they weren’t meant as loaded. Thing is there are people claiming that Ukrainians, particularly ones eligible for draft or with family members eligible for draft, would much prefer for Zelenskyy to just give up, and people see him as a dictator.
As someone who isn’t eligible for the draft and doesn’t live in the country it’s easy for me to say I want you guys to keep on fighting for your freedom. I think a lot of us in the Baltics don’t acknowledge it to ourselves that our support for Ukraine is probably also motivated by the fact that we want to see Russia’s military capabilities weakened, not just because we want to see Ukrainians thrive. That’s why it’s also important to ask what you yourselves want.
Given the current state of Ukraine as a going concern, I can’t imagine anyone seriously bragging about their vote for Zelenskyy.
Gave us a good hard look at what the Jon Stewart Presidency would have looked like.
Given the current state of Ukraine as a going concern
Three successful years of holding their own against everything Russia can throw at them? I’d say that’s freakin’ amazing and a ringing endorsement of Zelenskyy’s leadership!
Three successful years of holding their own
Is that what the Russian/Ukraine front looks like to you? Seems like they’ve been feeding their young men into a meat grinder so they can lose hundreds of miles of territory on a basket of false promises from DC. They aren’t holding their own, they’re being slaughtered at the speed of Russian artillery.
Tom Massie: Washington purposely blacking out Ukraine casualty data
REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Well, in a classified briefing, I stood up and asked what the casualties were on the Ukrainian side, and in that meeting I believe, you had representatives from the intelligence community, and they were briefing us, and they went out of their way to tell us how many Russian casualties there were, and they would not answer my question of how many Ukrainian casualties there were.
And this was a briefing to Congress in a classified setting. They really didn’t have an excuse, other than they weren’t really sure, which seems like an incredible lie. So then a few months later, I’m in the Speaker’s office, and I asked the Speaker if he knew the number of casualties in Ukraine? He began telling me how many Russian casualties there were. I said, Do you know how many Ukrainian casualties there are? And he said, No. I said, Have they ever told you? And he said, No. I said, Have you ever asked? He said, I should ask. So the Speaker of the House doesn’t even know. Didn’t even know at the time how many casualties there were. And if you ask, for instance, an AI assistant, how many Ukrainian casualties there are, even the AI assistants here in our country can’t tell you how many. At the time when I drafted this, AIs came up with wildly different numbers because they’re relying on everything that’s been published. And there’s virtually nothing reliable that’s been published.
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MASSIE: We’re just being fed propaganda in these classified briefings. And if other members of Congress couldn’t see that when I asked the question, then shame on them. Part of the reason I asked that question in that setting, was to show the other members of Congress that they’re just giving us one side to try and motivate us to keep sending the money and weapons. I think it’s obvious that they’re just feeding us propaganda in classified settings, and then I think it’s also true that the Speaker himself has been a subject of propaganda and lacks the curiosity to even question the narrative that we’re being fed.
They still have national sovereignty, a society, a culture, and representation in government. Damn right they are succeeding!
They don’t. They’re overdue for elections. Their borders are blown. Their population is a diaspora when it isn’t being press ganged onto the front lines. Their territory is being auctioned off to the lowest bidder.
Zelenskyy’s refused to stand for reelection in no small part because he knows how wildly unpopular he has become.
You’re picking out negative things (and frankly making up others) but overlooking the most obvious and important positive. There’s no russian lapdog running the government of Ukraine and the people are still Ukrainian. The people of Ukraine kicked out the last Putin lap dog and they have no desire for another and their actions to-date are still in effect. If the people of Ukraine wanted to be russian, they could be in a a fraction of a second.
They continue to choose NOT to be and have done so for more than 3 years now. That is proof positive of continued success.
Ah yes, because clearly Zelenskyy is solely to blame for the current state of Ukraine. I guess he’s mind controlling half of the world leaders simultaneously and playing 5D chess with everyone.
One would think you’re his biggest fan the way you’re giving him credit for everything that’s happening in the world.
Ah yes, because clearly Zelenskyy is solely to blame for the current state of Ukraine.
Success has a thousand fathers. Failure is an orphan. Obviously, nobody is responsible for Ukraine except the villainous ork monster Vladimir Putin and his tribe of savages.
Zelenskyy certainly didn’t commit to an escalation in the conflict that his country couldn’t handle or trust a bunch of NATO state department officials who were more interested in using Ukraine for weapons testing than inclusion in a European commons. And how could any conscript forced up to the front lines because he couldn’t bribe his commanding officer have anything to complain about in how Zelenskyy’s military leadership has run the war.
One would think you’re his biggest fan
Is there any tyrant I haven’t loved? Muammar Gaddafi? Saddam Hussein? Ruhollah Khomeini? Daniel Ortega? Jacobo Árbenz?
You’d almost think I’m against these horrifying pointless military conflicts on principle.
Seeing as you’re against military conflicts (all of which are pointless and horrifying, on that I agree), maybe that anger should be directed against the person who actually started the full scale invasion. Unless you’re implying that Zelenskyy “escalated” the war by not immediately surrendering to Putin.
maybe that anger should be directed against the person who actually started the full scale invasion
To what end? To further justify another three years of slaughter?
Zelenskyy fucked up by escalating the border conflict with Russia. Putin fucked up by charging into a quagmire. Western Europe piled in to squander billions on slaughter. Ukraine took its pound of flesh through 2022 and had an opportunity to sue for peace, end the conflict, and secure its sovereignty, but backed down when Blinken scuttled the deal. And then we spent the next two years accomplishing nothing but nightmare after nightmare.
At every point, every state actor involved decided the best response to the situation was to double-down. And what did it win them? Americans lost their civil government. Ukraine lost the Donbas and its soveriengty. Russia lost hundreds of thousands of its young people. Germany lost its cheap energy and may lose its liberal governance.
“Maybe blame the guy who started it!” gets you nothing. Its just another excuse to extend the conflict. To double down. To insist we need another year of butchery in Eastern Europe.
End the fucking war. You don’t have to like the guy on the other side of the table to do the right thing.
So… let’s appease the aggressor, yeah? By that logic, every war ever should have ended instantly by the defending side surrendering.
Yes, I’m “blaming the guy who started it” because he’s also the guy who can end it. Putin can literally end the war with one order. But he will not, because he’s not looking for a peace deal. He’s looking for annihilation, and that has been the case since before 2022.
Your victim blaming logic must have required some astonishing mental gymnastics to pull through. It must be quite comforting to live in the world where you can stop wars by just asking the people who are launching missiles at your cities to pretty please stop.
By that logic, every war ever should have ended instantly by the defending side surrendering.
Where would we be if the Germans, the Brits, and the Russians hadn’t stood their ground in 1914? I’m so glad nobody surrendered until 17 million people had been slaughtered. And without that glorious cacophony of violence, who would have so resented their defeat as to kick off WW2 two decades later?
Christ, can you even imagine what kind of hellscape we’d be living in if the 30 Years War had only lasted two weeks? Or the Seven Years War hadn’t burned down half of French Canada? Or the French had bowed out of Vietnam gracefully rather than handing the baton to the Japanese and then the Americans over the next fifty years? What kind of nightmare would we live in if the KMT and the Imperial Japanese hadn’t torn Korea to shreds?
You’re so fucking right. What we need is more wars! Qatar and Saudi Arabia should start bombing each other. Iran and Israel need to open fire. How long can the good people along the US/Mexico border endure this agonizing peace?
Your victim blaming logic must have required some astonishing mental gymnastics
Its so incredibly simple to say “Stop killing people”. Sue for peace at the first opportunity. End the violence as soon as possible. Quit building all these fucking war machines to begin with, while you’re at it. The logic is so straightforward and crystal clear. Go back to 2021 and negotiate a ceasefire on day one. The peace dividends alone will pay for whatever wrongs you feel one side or the other have inflicted.
And You know what’s even worse? They did it a second time. After he fucked them over the first time.
This is what’s really amazing to me, his whole 1st term, which culminated in a year so bad it was a running joke and then a coup, was completely forgotten about by so many, and practically never brought up by the (D) side. I live in a swing state too, and while I don’t watch many ads, I certainly saw a bunch the last 6 months, and don’t remember one that even brought up his first term at all. Some had some footage of J6 with no context/explanation of what it was (I know, most know/should know, but still), but then it was all pretty generic crap. Political malpractice, once again, have to wonder if the good cop/bad cop conspiracy is true and they don’t really want to win.
Democrats should be free to run whoever they wish. Just as 3rd parties deserve to run who they wish on a even playing field.
I personally don’t see either legacy poltical party surviving true electoral competition being opened up to 3rd parties. They’ve used First-past-the-post voting as a crutch for so long their muscles have atrophy and they cannot walk unsupported. Much less sprint in a race to the finish line.
Fortunately for the two mainstream parties, the public at large are heavily influenced by Stockholm syndrome and a giga sunk cost fallacy.
Nothing lasts forever…
Man, it is hard to find a positive outlook headline lately. I wish it was half as depressing as it is.
Just lobotomize yourself then all these headlines will fill you with glee just like the rest of the lobotomites.
I had this thought while at work today. Wondered if I’d be happier, then realized I’d probably just end up homeless, and stuck in and out of prison for the rest of my life because there is no way I could pay for care like a lobotomized Kennedy.
The thing is, your quality of life can be as bad as it wants, but based on my observations of these creatures, they appear to be happier regardless, simply because they believe these things are good. Like eggs may have tripled in price, but they actually seem happier about that than when the prices were lower, simply due to the change in the person in charge. So it appears like you would also be liberated from your quality of life having any tangible effect on your happiness.
Just a reminder: the Nazis went after the “infirm” first.
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I think you mean Civil War (2024).
You’re going to have the war last year? That’s certainly ambitious.
No, but I live in the Plex/Jellyfin world of unambiguously naming movies by adding the year of the release in parentheses.
I liked that it specifically didn’t choose a plot that mirrored any current events. It wasn’t a conservative versus liberal thing, it wasn’t a “south will rise again” thing.
I guess that depends on anyone’s interpretation, it wasn’t too on the nose, but imo the fact that it was “Ron” who played the president + they were racists against mexicans it can quite easily be interpreted as a stand-in for trump.
But I agree it wasn’t trying to be preachy, just showing the horrific consequences of war, war on US Soil specifically
That was low key a good movie… Although Kirsten Dunst is like my celebrity crush.
Her smile is enchanting
Even upside down I can see the appeal
Although Kirsten Dunst is like my celebrity crush.
Nuh uh, she’s my celebrity crush.
Imagine putting a fucking bird on your chest for forty years, saluting a piece of fabric, sacrificing your family and shit.
40 years of putting on that clown makeup and they just stick the nose on someone else.
What kind of bird, though? Like, we talking a chickadee? A northern flicker?
Ravens are pretty cool. Metal AF.
That took a turn for the based at the end.
a large portion of the electorate doesn’t choose anything. they do what their televisions command them. who controls the targeted messaging platforms which have been poisoning people’s minds? they are the real enemies of The People.
Nevermind the consequences of gerrymandering, targeted disenfranchisement, and winner take all electioneering.
Trump won the GOP primary in 2016 in no small part because our electoral system rewards name recognition over policy or popular support.
You either submit to media manipulation or you are statistically removed from the voting rolls.
This. I’ve had heated discussions with people who can’t believe someone from outside of their country knows more than the average citizen (read: himself) knows about the country’s politics.
It’s called educating oneself in preparation for consequences of having an elephant in a china shop. It’s also what prudent, sensible adults do. Smfh.
Hopefully this’ll convince more people to turn out for the midterms and do their due diligence.
10 to 1 the voters didn’t make that choice.
Are you talking about eligible non-voters?
Yep, dems chose a garbage candidate. Then they gonna blame their victims for how long?
dems chose a garbage candidate.
Funny. That garbage candidate was orders of magnitude better than the other option.
Then stupid Americans chose that other option.
Almost like Americans are far more responsible for our current situation than the Democrat party.
Or didn’t choose at all because the other candidate promised “peace” in the middle east, not knowing “peace” is just “lack of military conflicts”, after a period of intensifying them.
Should still hold a party accountable for not listening to its base.
Maybe we could hold them accountable in such a way as to not give fascists power to deconstruct our government and strip our rights. Just a thought.
We do so by changing how we vote so people can vote how they wish while still counting their vote if their preference didn’t win
Many of them are the same people who think a podcast made by the former host of Fear Factor is informed and intellectual.
“But he’ll interview anyone!”
-Those idiots
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You posted this same response on 3 different communities. You must be a great conversationalist.
Can’t wait for the conspiracy theory that Hitler is alive to turn out to be true, and he just comes out of hiding, thanks Trump, and takes over.
“Mein Führer, fascism has taken over the United States government!”
“Excellent news! And who is the strong Aryan superman who leads them?”
Hitler is shown everything about Donald Trump
meh, they’d bond over their love of meth.
Hitler didn’t dodge the draft.
EDIT: Wtf, Trump’s got me defending Hitler :/
And Ford knew how to make a engine in his kitchen sink. Think Musk has ever wound the coils on a motor? They don’t make fascists like they use to.
As much as Trump would like to, that dumb fuck bitch would be 136 by now. That fucker is long dead, even if he did fake his suicide.
Twice
Guy who washed out of the seals thinks he’s more important than the commander of the Chinese theatre because he was a penis.
I’d even say he was a dick
that guy sounds familiar.
Man am I glad I don’t work for the federal government.
Work your whole life for your country just to get fired by a braindead twerp in the entertainment industry.
And spend the rest of your life living amongst the dipshits responsible for that being possible.
For all these dumbshits talk about military readiness and effectiveness being butchered under Democrats.
Oh the readiness is still part of the plan, it’s just the ‘other’ they’re trying to frame as the new target, trying to fire everyone who won’t put the jackboots on.
Well they need to prepare the military for domestic use.
Hey the best people are the ones who toe the line
Let’s not pretend it was ever anything different
