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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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Don’t announce it, just do it and observe the panic…and then the begging for it to come back but with a 25% hike in prices.
Just look at this ARCO!
Its on biaches!
Wow, $2.01CAD/L that’s actually slightly higher than our notoriously high BC prices. I was assuming it would be something like $1CAD/L which is a low price we’d dream of here.
Its okay poor people will just band together carpooling in mini coopers… 12 at a time. All while wearing big shoes. Hey! We gotta make a buck somehow! This Canadian engine covffefe won’t pay for itself.
Also it can only be paid in avocado toast.
Let the southern bastards freeze in the dark…not permanently, just a brief period, followed by an export tax. Cut power once in March, then again throughout the NBA playoffs in April.
At this point we should do this whether or not Trump reverses course. Make it clear there is nothing he can do to avoid it.
I’m sick of this market fuckery back and forth. I’m convinced he’s trying to depress the Canadian dollar and the value of Canadian companies and industries, so that oligarchs in the US can buy them up. It’s a hostile corporate takeover of our country. Fuck him, we need to go hard - permanent tariffs as long as Trump is in office…and we need legislation to ensure 51% Canadian ownership of strategic resources, as well as no American investment right now. If necessary, we need to nationalize strategic resources and industries.
What we don’t need is a fucking tax break for the rich. We’re on a war footing right now and our leaders need to accept this. The people have largely accepted it.
I don’t think he actually cares about Canada specifically. The point is to alienate the US from its allies and reduce any kind of powerful diplomatic mediators or military deterrents so Russia and similar traditionally colonial powers can just start seizing whatever territory they want.
I think there are two things he wants here…and by “things he wants” I mean things that will make him and/or his wealthy oligarch buddies rich and grow their power.
The first and more near-term goal is the upcoming tax cuts for the rich, which will be trillions of dollars. To fund this, he sees at least three vehicles, that he has been pushing despite the failings of all three: (1) savings from DOGE, (2) the new gold visas, and (3) tariff income. All of these ideas are absolutely dogshit for creating income, but he seems to think they will. In his previous time in office, he even tried to use tariffs in this way. He sees tariffs as income and he’s made it clear. He knows the tax cuts will be hugely unpopular so he has to build up a story as to how they can be afforded. In the meantime if a bunch of rich short sellers make money off of market manipulation, so much the better.
The second goal, and probably more in line with the objectives of the oligarchy in the US as a whole, is to make Canada even more subservient economically to the US. They want a quiet corporate takeover of Canada. They want to depress the value then but it all up, after which we’re even more fucked than we are now. We need to cut this option off and just accept that we need to nationalize these industries, and restrict or even exclude American investment. I think the Canadian government should own at least 51% of key strategic resources, such as telecom, oil, hydro, potash, and media.
In summary, the Americans are now our enemies and should be considered as such. They want to damage our country and assume control of it. They are outright saying this. We need to stop being so fucking naive, and take solid action to prevent it.
So Trump is not acting based on goals he has for the US, he is acting on goals for the global oligarchy, doesn’t matter if you’re a Canadian or US billionaire he wants you to be able to continue exploiting.
If putting Canada under the jurisdiction of a more compliant country like the US makes that easier great, if instead the conservative parties in Canada can be propped up great. You have plenty of MAGAs in Canada, They’re not just in the US, so we all could do some house cleaning. The US is just the cautionary tale.
Southern states are not the ones receiving the bulk of Canada’s energy coming into the United States.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship
I don’t think they meant southern states. All the states are south of Canada
Ahhhhhh shit. Ameribrain at it again. Thanks for pointing that out.
I remember going to Niagara. It was summer and kinda not all that hot. Home was in the 90’s. It pinged my brain, this is like a heatwave to these people…
I’m Canadian and I don’t think we should be doing this in the middle of winter. Plus it’s going to affect blue states, which will only make the MAGA fuckface idiots glad that the libs are being owned.
We should repeal US IP protection laws instead and cut out their potash. Make technofeudalists and rural conservatives scream.
It’s not the middle of winter, it’s March. It’s spring time where I live in Canada, it ought to be warmer down south in the USA.
It’s still the winter. Spring starts in a couple weeks.
It’s still dead of winter here in Quebec, where are you, Windsor?
Calgary. It’s 5 to 10 degrees out for the last week and there’s no more snow on the ground.
Come on, you know better than that. Winter isn’t over until May-two-four.
I don’t think we should be doing this in the middle of winter. Plus it’s going to affect blue states
US citizen here, in a blue state. Do it, you’re doing us a favor. Let’s get those guys up there to get out the pitchforks, let’s see people freezing on the news.
The current blue is purple, let’s make it blue again.
Libs need to be in the streets. The Maga viewpoint will fall as the stock market shutters and their kids are in danger of getting drafted to fight a war on two sides.
However much I’d like to see it happen, I do see problems in cutting them off too. It’s not easy to cut power on such scale, but if possible, i’d be in favor of intermittent outages. Random on/off periods of random length. The only thing that sucks much more than no power is unreliable/unpredictable power.
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”
Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.
They are absolutely intentionally destroying the system
I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves
Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this
USian here, don’t think twice, fucking do it.
It’s USAdian
Ohhhhhhh! That makes so much more sense, thank you!
Trump won’t care. Mostly hits blue states. He will probably cackle
Do you mean American? Or am I having a stroke?
Mexicans and Canadians are also from North America, and, hence, are American.
No we’re not. Why are you speaking for other people?
Times have changed, I guess. When I lived in Honduras, it was a pet peeve of folks when Americans would call themselves Americans. You’d get reminded that anyone who lives on the continent is American too.
If you went anywhere else in the world and said “I’m USian”, they wouldn’t know what you meant. You’d probably first say “I’m from the US”.
“USian” sounds terrible.
Okay, but have you considered that it sounds like I’m from an Ace Combat country if I say it?
I think if you called Canadians or Mexicans “Americans” right now, they would be very offended.
Also, USian just sounds really fucking dumb.
Yeah I don’t know about people from other countries in N and S America, but here in Canada American means from the United States of America. I’m North American, not American.
We’d always have been offended, just now we’re more likely to be “immediate punch to the face” offended.
Yeah, it does sound kinda dumb, but so are we
Speak for yourself.
Clearly USian is tongue in cheek. You’re taking it way too seriously. Like… WW3 is potentially on its way, I don’t think USian sounding stupid is something anyone cares about.
“potentially”
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I wouldn’t be offended, signed a canukian
Nobody would ever say it in real life. That’s how you know it’s for the terminally online smug huggers.
In Spanish, as far as I know, “americano” = inhabitant of the American continent, “estadounidense” = person from the US, so I don’t think Mexicans would be offended at the first, at least not in Spanish.
They need to do this and make it absolutely clear that it is 100% Trump’s fault. They cannot be allowed to make the claim that canada did it unprovoked or for the lulz.
The people who voted for Trump or stayed home are not going to understand that. They are the snowflakes and so caught up in their feelings that they can’t be reasoned with.
Every day there’s more “leopards eating faces” stories and in pretty much every single one, the face-eaten dumbarses Don realize that what happened was part of the plan all along.
Trudeau got in front of the cameras today and spelled this out. Our government chose to take this action, and Canada is having an entirely reasonable response. Once the tarrifs end, we can go back to where we were, but in the meantime, Americans need to learn how much they rely on Canadian trade and need to understand that this is entirely our government’s fault.
Sadly, fox, oan and the usual right wing echo chambers aren’t gonna feed Trudeau’s message to their idiot masses. The people he reached are people that probably have at least half a clue what’s happening and who is responsible.
those “proaganda-tainment” isnt going to mention trumps tariffs negatively affecting maga voters. i distinctly remember almost none of them did when he put tariffs in effect the 1st term.
There really is no way to back to where we were. We can only go forward from here. This is a bell that can’t be unrung.
As an American, I agree 100%. Canada needs to kick our ass. We deserve it.
Maybe you guys should just kick out the traitors that very obviously work for a foreign government.
We wanted to. Unfortunately, the corporations run the country and so we have no effective opposition party. The Democrats are as beholden to big money donors as the Mazis.
Do it unilaterally without discussing with US.
Or even better: Discuss it with Ukraine, US gets no say in the deal. And if drumpf disagrees, the reply will be “you don’t want electricity.”
I actually had a good laugh at this… Then I had to login to my second account to up vote this twice.
… so that people probably die? Really?
Trump is “gambling with lives.” He’s “gambling with World War III.” He’s “showing major disrespect for the country, our country.”
He should say sorry. I haven’t heard him tell us “thank you” for anything this entire time.
What does that have to do with anything? There is nothing Trump can do or not do that changes the moral consequences of our actions that kill people.
The only people who are dying are those who are trying to defend their country from a mad man intent on concurring them and those who are fighting in support of that mad man’s goal. Ukraine does not want to bow down to Putin’s tyranny. Putin should leave Ukraine to the Ukrainians, then the killing can stop.
Be mad at trump
No mercy.
You people are fucked up. Literally brainwashed. This is what happens when people are trained from birth to be afraid of empathy so they never have to experience the pain of others. The dichotomy here isn’t whether or not to cut off power, it’s whether or not to do it in a planned way that permits people to not actually fucking die.
No mercy.
Hospitals have their own backup generators and so do lots of schools. Communities can band together to set up shelters. If Americans choose not to save Americans from the consequences of American actions, that’s on them. Don’t believe for a second that your lecturing on empathy has any weight whatsoever. You’re preaching to the empathetic. We all just found out that there’s a limit and a breaking point to being sorry for people finding out after they fucked around.
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
I guess you proved your own point.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
Best case Ontario.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
Do it Canada. The dumber half of our country needs to learn the hard way. And, unfortunately, the smarter half has to go along for the ride.
Exactly. The entire reason Trump is President again is because we did not take the serious extreme and required actions after the 2020 elections to ensure that him, his supporters, and enablers could never participate in American society again.
The same mistake we made after the civil war we decided that we would be generous and go easy on those who betrayed us. We are still paying for that mistake we are still paying for the mistake with Trump. The only thing fascist understand is violence in the only way fascism ends is through violence.
we dint even investigate the election machines in 2020, because the DNC was so afraid of being called out rigging themselves.
Yall lost and then rigged 24, get fucking real
The dumber half of our country needs to learn…
The won’t. You need to target trump’s real support, which is Russia and billionaires. Going after his voters is like kicking a dog for eating it’s own puke. The poor animal just isn’t capable of understanding what it did or why you kicked it.
Isn’t Canada donating seized Russian assets to the Ukrainian war effort?
Do it, but sadly it will affect the Blue States.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Glad that Canadians are standing up for themselves.
On the slim bright side maybe just maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy, it’s why China invests so much into it to prevent relying on countries for oil.
Ehh who am I kidding, that’s not going to happen at all.
More likely they’ll reopen coal plants
The children, they yearn for the mines
Drill baby drill!
Cancer baby cancer!!
No worries! The climate catastrophies will get most of us well before cancer does.
Oh honey. Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 1 out of every 5 deaths in the world TODAY.
china has thier own internal problems, thats probably the least of thier worries.
Fracking was our answer to energy independence.
Fracking is the answer to, How can we poison our underground aquifer while continuing to put even more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere? I guess when we’re dead we won’t need energy. Checkmate fracktheists?
Agreed. It wasn’t the right answer, but it was the one the government pursued.
maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy
Probably the opposite. There are a lot of blue states in the NorthEast importing Canadian hydro as a cleaner energy source than burning fossil fuels. I’m sure the repugnicans line will be something like “if only they used good old American coal from Wyoming or West Virginia”
China invests so much into it
China is building two coal plants per week. And their “green” programs are just facades to take Western money.
Yep, taking Western money by Chinese companies buying Chinese renewable energy equipment and paying Chinese installers. Taking western money by building out renewable energy faster than the rest of the world combined, in their own country using their own companies with their own finances
I’m talking about stuff like this
China added more coal power in 2023 than the rest of the world combined.
And more renewable energy. And more high speed rail. And has over 90% of the worlds BEV buses.
There’s some truth to Chinas claim that they’re still a developing country and they need to massively build out to bring more of their population up to developed standards.
There’s also some truth to the claim that central planning without regard to supply and demand means they seem to be building out more power than they can use. Hopefully that translates into coal power plants going unused
And more renewable energy. And more high speed rail. And has over 90% of the worlds BEV buses.
You sound like a wumoa. These are literally CPP propaganda talking points. Especially the high-speed rail line.
What does “high speed rail” and “BEV buses” have to do with the discussion about renewable energy? Nothing. It’s just thrown in to say “China good, West bad”.
I don’t know what that is so can’t be offended, but don’t be blinded by the lies rolling agenda that any country is bad: even the worst regimes sometimes do good things
What does “high speed rail” and “BEV buses” have to do with the discussion about renewable energy?
Everything. Renewable energy is not just renewable electricity generation but applying it to more energy users. A Deisel bus is a dirty polluter that can’t use renewable energy, but a battery electric bus is a way to use renewable energy for transportation.
One of the fundamental requirements of more renewable energy is “electrify everything”. Electricity becomes the distribution medium letting us use renewable energy for more things
I don’t know what that is so can’t be offended
A wumao referees to someone who is a paid shill for the CCP, they get paid 50¢ per comment they make.
Renewable energy is not just renewable electricity generation but applying it to more energy users. A Deisel bus is a dirty polluter that can’t use renewable energy, but a battery electric bus is a way to use renewable energy for transportation.
Sure, that’s a valid point. But it becomes entirely invalidated when you consider that most of that electrification comes from coal plants they’re building at breakneck pace. They’re averaging two entire coal power plants per week. That’s over 100 coal fired power plants per year. They are building more than ALL other countries combined.
Then there’s the consideration that your argument only applies to the very few places they can actually do that, like in major urban cities. Everywhere else in the country they still have to rely on ICE transport out of practicality.
And this also ignores that their renewable initiatives (outside of EVs) are giant shams.
https://www.dw.com/en/how-a-chinese-firm-ran-a-billion-euro-carbon-credit-scam/a-71010148
https://freedium.cfd/https://medium.com/@lanekwriter/the-grass-is-greener-in-china-f835368ae8c
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As an American, fucking do it, and make sure DC and Red states feel the most pain. And don’t have some qwar ass back door conversation/deal to end the tariffs. Refuse to end them until he goes on live television and reads the following
“To all my fellow Americans, the best Americans from the best America, in hind sight, as it concerns tariffs with our closest geographical allies, I was wrong. The decision I made was stupid, and it was made by an idiot, me. Unfortunately I don’t have the intellectual or business aptitude to actually determine what a good decision would be, as opposed to a bad decision. In fact, I am as stupid as the idiots who voted for me. This was the idea that I thought I would be fantastic and I was completely wrong and it’s the only idea I had. I apologize to Canada and Mexico, both their leaders and citizens”
It would crush him to make a sincere public apology and backtrack. And he’ll still get lynched before the end of year. Because he fucking deserves it.
Canada ought to put forward two points.
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Any tariff trump makes will be matched, and will run for 90 days longer than trump’s tariff (make that shit show up big on quarterly earnings numbers)
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Any tariff that trump merely mentions publicly, or in private negotiaions, will immediately start a retaliatory tariff from Canada.
just mentioning will put companies into a panic.
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Unfortunately, most of Texas will be fine… ish. Well, as fine as they usually are, which isn’t great. I’m really surprised more people aren’t up in arms about how much this state fucking sucks ass for literally everything.
Don’t get too excited. Ford loves to talk tough but he’s a fucking pussy.
We’ll see what actually happens. No one here is holding their breath.
Hey pussies can take a pounding.
R.I.P. Betty White
So he’s a big ballsack?
LCBO is actively removing American products from shelves.
I do think there’s more technical problems related to decoupling a massive load from the grid, but Ford does seem to be following through with at least some of the promised retaliations. Time will tell if he keeps it up.
Does he have anything in plan to protect Canadians rather than just revenge on the US? Like in BC they’re pushing the buy local, cutting down American liquor sales, and realloting some money to prep for what’s expected to be all the upcoming layoffs.
All I’ve seen from Ontario is Ford saying he’ll kick America’s ass metaphorically but is there anything in place to protect the local jobs that’d be lost if they were to cut off all that electricity?
The Fords aren’tgreat at Making ng stuff work. They’re better at stopping things.
Not sure, I don’t live in Ontario anymore so I’m not so plugged in on provincial politics. It would certainly be very like Ford to make all these big aggressive moves but ultimately fuck over Ontarians in the process. But like I said, I’m not aware of the details, so that’s just baseless speculation.
