Discord ruined what was left of online forums and so it’s users now deserve the full force of enshittification. It was so easy to join, how come it’s this hard to leave?
It’s hard to leave because it’s easy to join, and because it has the critical mass of users. Simple as that. It takes a lot to get people to abandon their chats, their friends, their groups, and the years of built-up message history, for an app that likely has fewer users and fewer features.
I don’t want more apps, I want to return to
monkeearly 2000s web forums.no thank you I actually like chatting over a websocket connection instead of having to refresh a page every two minutes
Granted they’re not the growing and bustling places they used to be, but there are still both niche and “lifestyle” forums that are alive and stable. Other than this place, one of the latter is where I spend most of my online socializing time.
“this hill was so easy to walk down, why is it so hard to walk up it?”
Mutual hostage taking, you can’t leave because everyone is there, and they can’t leave because you’re there.
Only collective action can be organized to break this social trap. The easiest way is to require the garden’s walls pulled down.
But I’d be fine putting down the executive
Yea I saw the writing on the wall years ago. Why do I want a fucking client to talk to mass people. That is a shit format for more than like 6 people in a room.
It’s basically an old school chat room at that point.
Exactly, and a terrible informational forum IMO
Where the fuck are we gonna go?
I dunno. There’s probably a discord group that discussed it but you are not in it so I guess you won’t ever know.
Element. If you are missing something, talk to all those motivated people doing Discord bots or whatever, they can contribute to Element/Matrix. And it’s actually open source, they keep their contributions, contrary to all the work they have done for Discord for free.
Forums. Lemmy. Group Chats.
What does discord do that these dont bar create a barrier for use?
Unlike Forums discord exists.
IRC is basically all the chat portions of discord.
If you think everyone using the Discord/Slack/Mattermost/Rocketchat/… generation of chat with inline image display and all those features, voice and video chat and screen sharing is ever going to switch to IRC at this point you are simply delusional.
Oh, I don’t expect it to happen, I’m just pointing out that it still exists and takes care of some of that functionality. I don’t think I’ve ever seen gifs, videos, or screen sharing implemented in IRC.
Better though because you don’t need an account, and can gain a lot of anonymity via an eggdrop or vpshell etc.
Discord is just another social media site that has a whole lot of people fooled into thinking it’s not creating profiles on them for advertising. Gonna get real obvious real soon though.
I guess thats OK for community dev teams and stuff - like it works well, users can come and accesa the faq or support and leave. But it can leave a walled garden of data in there if they want to move elsewhere later though.
Larger issue is the people that share their whole lives there as a quasi-Facebook. That’s all getting hoovered up and sold to the highest bidder - alongside data like exactly what activity you do on your PC (processes running when and where for how long etc - Discord monitors a lot)
The names escaping me but there’s a site you can use that turns your discord into a publicly accessible website / archive.
Check out mautrix-discord too if you’re a server admin, you can puppet everything there and switch seamlessly.
We need a decent replacement for this, stat. Once they go into IPO mode it’s gonna get real shitty, real fast.
This is them going into IPO mode.
Matrix is a reasonable replacement.
teamspeak are also stepping up their game ive heard
The comeback. I paid for a teamspeak server when I was a teen and used it extensively with friends for many years. As I got older I have only used discord a handful of times to talk to other people already on that platform. Discord has always sucked Imo, if it’s free you’re the product. That’s how it always has been.
I hope it gets even more shit so people will leave the platform.
Matrix is still pretty jank
how come?
(currently dont have the energy to look into replacing that too with all the other services im already in transition)
UI/UX is just miserable at times, sometimes the client crashes if you’ve seen too many image/videos. The account creation and device pairing is jank as hell, took me more than 15 min to pair a new because the verification kept failing. Just overall i can bear with the jankiness but if i was an average user, I’d quit.
Sorry, what is a IPO ?
Initial Public Offering.
Its where a company offers stock for public sale, and gets listed on the stock market.
Generally this corresponds with a company pushing hard to maximize profits over other metrics like user growth.
Thank you
Yep lol, golden parachute deployed!
… For the pilot.
Passengers are still in the plane, lunch cart just came around!
I feel like it’s been shitty for a decade… personal view though, clearly people like it
Edit: well, for almost 10 years, maybe 9.
The UI/UX has always been absolutely atrocious.
Yess, thank you. Ugly, slow, frustrating. And pay to make it bearable…
Hold on, I’ve got 6 updates since you opened me an hour ago.
You can wait right?
It is the LEAST intuitive UI of any popular app I’ve ever seen. I was recently trying to join a channel from a website that required a code to input, and absolutely couldn’t get it to work.
I HATE the UI. It was made for iPad babies.
clearly people like it
It’s the network effect that people like, just like every other social platform before it.
It isn’t even a decade old… anyway, it got market share for a reason. It was immediately a big step up from other free offerings in ease of use, UI, and eventually in features too.
From a functional perspective it’s fantastic but it doesn’t make up for the incessant ads (even if you pay) and the lack of any privacy whatsoever.
Are you talking about the ads for nitro?
I don’t even remember exactly what they were for, but yes, that’s one of them.
Same boat as many Gapps like Google Maps. No large market competitor to show users how much better it can be.
Google Maps
Edit: one interesting thing about their mobile app is when you use the GPS for directions, it changes where the audio comes from depending on what your next direction is. If your next is “turn left” then the instructions come from your left-side car audio.
Revolt?
It’s open source too.
Oh wow, it can get shittier?
Welcome to Discord, brought to you by Logan Paul x KSI’s PRIME!
drink verification can to log in
Thanks user!
We’ve recently switched all Nitro and Custom Emoji payment tiers over to $sheetcuyhn, click here to set up your payment plan!
You’ve got upper management written all over you.
Close!
I used to compile all the high level analytics and projection reports for all the Vice Presidents and Board Members, but they didn’t even notice when I corrected a massive category of double counted revenue within a month of taking over from the person whose position I was taking over.
After a year of being absurdly overworked, doing the job of half of the IT department for them, so that I could actually access the data I needed, being hilariously underpaid, and becoming far, far too well versed in passive aggressive, buzzword heavy, actionable information empty, corpospeak…
I left for greener pastures.
(not Discord lol. did contract db admin type work for MSFT for a bit, then said executive reports for a massive import export firm… then nonprofits, serving the homeless)
We already have TeamSpeak/Ventrillo, and I think IRC is still a thing?
Mumble?
Matrix for chatting, when we need voice chat we use ts3. Been using it for so long now, I don’t understand the problem why people dont use it
You can integrate Jitsi to your Matrix too. If you have a client that supports it, you get both chat and voice in the same place.
We need fast voice chat though, i play tournaments for cs2 and apex legends. Haven’t tested jitsi speed yet vs ts3 or mumble, which was the main reason we never used discord to start with
I must admit I’ve never reamly benchmarked any voice chat application. One advantage Jitsi does have is the ability to do p2p calls, saving a couple dozen milliseconds of transfer time compared to going through the server. But how fast is the software itself? No clue.
I already left, enjoy it for me.
fyi discord has already been enshitifying for at least 5 years now
Once Discord enshittifies, lazy devs won’t be able to say “follow our Discord for updates!” anymore.
Lol “once Duscord enshittifies”. Bro… It happened years ago.
It was never good from the start, as a voice chat program, it’s miles behind ts3 and mumble, never liked discord, isn’t that what gamer pedo’'s use to get in contact with younger kids anyway?
Idk why you’re being downvoted since everything you said was right.
I think it just got popular because younger gamers don’t know how to use computers, and Discord was easier to use than everything else. The client also looks much nicer than mumble, and overall has better on boarding. The mumble homepage for example looks like a developer site.
I got downvoted because 90% uses discord and I said only pedo’s use it to groom children ( which tbf is a bold statement)
(which tbf is a bold statement)
But accurate, Roblox and Discords willful negligence has been cited dozens of times, they don’t care.
Nah, it was pretty good when I used it some years back. I stopped using it before all of the nonsense people are complaining about, so at least for me I have a pretty positive perception. I even pushed to use it at work, which was awesome for productivity until my boss (the CEO) switched us to Slack, which was still decent, but a little crappier than Discord at the time.
I don’t know how it is currently because I actively avoid it for a variety of reasons, but it was pretty good at the time.
I’m a lazy dev and want to get ahead of this, where should I post my updates?
Back in ye olden days you’d have your own website, a blog, or maybe a forum. It was indexable on Google and anyone could see and interact with your updates. If not for that there’s always steam.
On whatever platform(s) you sell your games. The key is not expecting someone to sign up for a different service for your updates.
Or just have an open forum/place where you don’t need an account to get into some walled off bullshit.
Sure. But the costs for implementing such a thing are certainly above simply using the tools on the platform on which the dev has decided to release their work. If they disagree, don’t release it there.
This idea that the consumer should do something additional besides giving you money is a nonstarter.
Github (and alternatives), Fediverse, Reddit, Matrix
Maybe a blog like homepage powered by Cloudflare or GithubDo not use Reddit, it’s too ban happy
So what if you get banned? The person responsible should (IMO) create a dedicated account for that anyway.
I’d post as long as possible and if banned, I’d create an appropiate information on any other communication channel.
rss?
Email group
Who indexes that?
Can I view it on archive.org?There are plenty of mailing lists with web-based archives, like lkml for the Linux kernel. Find a mailing list host you like and go to town.
…bluesky?
lol what, Discord enshittified years ago.
Hopefully they move to element
Hopefully they just post updates on the platforms they sell their games on. I shouldn’t need to sign up for anything else.
Anyone remember websites and RSS? Those were the days.
Why does everything have to get shovelled into someone’s walled garden…
(Speaking about updates and notifications here, not discussions.)
It’s the walled garden thing that gets me. At some point, people got complacent. I’m 100% confident that there is an entire swath of the population which has never considered that Discord is a corporate entity with corporate interests. We made open standards for a reason.
Everyone I know is like this. They love the corpos because their stuff is shiny and easy, and shoved in their face so they don’t have to learn anything. They have no clue how to use anything that isn’t Apple music, discord. Instagram, Snapchat etc. All garbage.
Hard agree. Mindsets stuck in 2005 or before when cool and useful stuff was, just, free online. We were such summer children then.
Anyone still like that obviously shouldn’t be in charge of anything sharp or dangerous…
But remember: the design and initial implementation of the internet was paid for by the populace. It is supposed to be filled with cool and useful, free stuff.
Corporate interests and “web 2.0” have turned it into a weird hellscape of misinformation and targeted advertising. It was not designed for it.
Bring the internet back to 03 please. I beg of you
Hey bruh u wanna buy nitro bruh. It’s the new shit bruh
What the fuck does Nitro even do, other than give you some useless emoji?
Increased file attachment sizes (10->50->100MB depending on tier, I think).
Cross post emojis from any server you are on.
Cross post stickers from any server you are on.
Higher maximum server count.
One free server boost.
Probably a couple more vanity shit. Yep, entirely laughable business model.
I like it, it’s just extra stuff and nothing essential.
It’d suck a lot more if they gated necessary features behind a paywall
Give it another year.
Start shopping for replacements now.
The different tiers are 50mb for basic and 500mb for the full.
The full one also includes:
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Stream video in 4k at 60fps
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2 free boosts and 30% off all boosts
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Custom profile per server(different name, avatar, etc. for each of if you want)
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200 server limit
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4000 character message limit
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Custom entry sound(and custom sounds everywhere)
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3x free nitro for two weeks that you can gift to people
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Tons of profile/avatar perks including animated banners, profiles, permanent quest rewards, badges, etc.
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There’s also some discount in their shop.
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What exactly does a server boost do?
I got nitro for higher audio quality so I could stream background music while running a DnD campaign over discord.
It also increases your streaming resolution and file upload size limit which is quite useful.
It also lets you use emojis from any server in any other server, which isn’t “useful” but is fun and I do it all the time.
For these 3 things I think it’s worth it. It’s worth noting I have a grandfathered Nitro plan that is more features than “Nitro Basic” but less features than the next tier at a cost that’s in between.
The real enshitification I’m worried about is the gradually increasing prevalence of ads in increasingly prominent places.
I got nitro for similar reasons but would up cancelling when discord sent ads to a friend of mine with my screen name on it, “why not join your friend _____ with nitro” or something.
Absolutely not, don’t use my name to shill to people I respect.
its gonna enshittify
Let’s be real, the enshitification started quite some time ago. Though I do expect it to get much worse.
Fuck IPO imminent
Bro got replaced by some ex-Activision-Blizzard MBA zombie. Humam got 86’d/golden parachuted from Blizzard after only <2 years as “Vice Chairman”. Then a 1-2 yr gap.
Humam about to get another massive bag once labor force is cut, platform further enshittified, and corp books are sufficiently cooked/prepped for IPO.
Wait, there’s actually humans working at Discord? I thought the entire thing was run by bots.
“working” lol. He’s the founder and CEO, he collects most of the money.
A bitter end for this lemon.
Is it really bitter if IPO is successful? Citron and other cofounders likely setup to get a massive payout when it IPOs.
Humam isn’t someone that will look after the company for many years. He is brought in to cook the books, and get it to an IPO.
What is success here? The few founders and VC get filthy rich as the larger population dumps their money into Discord stock while the users and teams with limited foresight, who’ve moved their communities to discord, suffer?
I mean yeah I guess that’s the success Cory Doctorow warns us about again and again.
But that’s not my definition of success.
For context I’ve been on the receiving end of an IPO and the founders and investors made out like bandits while a fair number of employees were stuck holding the bags thanks to lock-ins, dilution and over priced shares.
Citron means lemon in various languages.
Maybe he was out of juice
I get ads in my discord now. Revolt, Matrix, thats your queue.
Cue, unless you want them to get in line to do the same thing.
Yeah get in line and get installed on my computer.
Are those any good or better than guilded?
Probably not. Revolt is pretty bare bones but the customization is great. No video sharing.
Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
But Guilded’s story is exactly the same as Discord’s just one chapter behind.
Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
not everyone needs to host their own server. just choose an existing one that’s not matrix. org (which is basically overloaded)
You do if you want a replacement for “your own discord server”
“your own discord server” was never a server, just a blatant lie, or “marketing” term. in matrix spaces are the equivalent (or similar) feature
Isn’t replicating this the goal of spaces? How are those doing on matrix?
It is, you aren’t wrong. But the invisible eye of corporate Discord is not the same. Discord makes you feel like you are in your own space. I found from the servers I am in on Matrix it feels, decidedly less like that. Revolt is a 1 to 1 replacement for discord that is lacking a lot of features. I’d push people to that over Matrix if they are used to discord and just want that again. I’m not even gonna mention Guilded to people.
Yeah I can see what you mean. Even if it is just a sectioned off bit of the glob of discord servers, a discord instance does feel like an island in a way that a matrix space does not. Last I remember using them it was still a little messy in ways that felt strange too. The real struggle is having folks to check them out with considering many of my friend group already had to be talked into trying discord lol.
There guess the chat app.
I’m glad I’m too old to use Slack but for video games. I’d rather eat a bowl of hair than have more notifications.
Slack but for video games
Lol when introducing new employees to Slack who haven’t used it before I always say “It’s Discord, but for work” haha
I miss slack every day, teams is getting better but… Ugh
I mean… it’s teams. At this point making it worse is hard
Does revolt have screen share with audio? What about noise filter?
