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It’s funny, Patreon cracked down years ago on Incest content forcing indie porn devs to do *nudge *nudge *wink she’s your “Landlady” stuff. I guess paypal just assumed Steam was cleaner until now.
New market opportunity! Steam has been banned from participating, meaning even a crappy quality platform can now compete. Though, payment processing will be the hitch, I would guess…
Damn it… I was really looking forward to Brother Mother Buttfucker 2.
Is that a new song from PSY?
What are these games? Steam is littered with these and waifu porno stuff… Not kink shaming here but what’s the attraction?
I honestly don’t get it either… And I have nothing against porn, but some of these just sound and look like cheap copy/pastes and probably with little to no interactivity or gameplay. I’m curious to see how they are now, if only for comedic value.
The more taboo a topic, the more it gets people agitated, sometimes this is channeled sexually.
While this doesn’t directly affect me, I really hate that a payment processor I don’t even use can dictate what is and is not acceptable speech.
Why do they even get to know which games people buy? It should just show them “Steam purchase” and nothing else.
Because many “players” are refunding after a fap, which is logged and reviewed. Also, suspicious or new transactions are often flagged and reviewed. So a lot of such side content is being pushed in front of the banks and payment processors by horny clients who unwittingly expose their kinks.
If a large number of refunds came from a single source it seems like Steam would be the one addressing the issue, not payment processors.
The post nut clarity of realizing that buying that porn game was not such a great idea
Seem like an easy solution would be to have certain transactions be nonrefundable.
I say easy, but I guess it would involve quite a bit of software changes, and then you’d also have to deal with angry customers who ignored numerous warnings that a purchase would be final.
That’s even less consumer friendly. If you purchase a game and it turns out to be shovelware that barely works and has a bunch of gamed reviews on the store page? Oh too bad sap, you got conned this is non-refundable.
Consumers had to fight for games that do refundable, I don’t think we should be quick to consider loopholes.
Those payment processors can just look at the store and see that it sells smut. Those payment processors do their own due diligence.
Money laundering and anti terrorism laws would be my guess.
This doesn’t directly affect me, either, but does anyone know if it applies to all of the Interactive Sex - Futanari Incest DLC, too!? For Episodes 1-4!? Like, if any of my friends have large amounts of FutaCoinz from years of Season Passes, I wonder if they’ll still be able to spend them…?
I don’t know if I want to try to find out if that is satire or actual things…
Agreed, this shit sucks. The credit card companies hold far too much power over what is considered viable commerce.
Wonder where they stand on The Witcher I?
Kind of cuts both ways though, doesn’t it? The reverse of this argument is saying that the payment processors must work with Valve no matter what they host. Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?
No, they should have zero say because they have weaseled themselves into a position that is the equivalent of a utility or whatever ISP are classified as. Their only involvement is whether they complete transactions between parties in a legal way.
Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?
Absolutely not. Power companies don’t get a say in what the power they supply their users with is used for, same for water companies and even ISPs. If they really, really want to enforce rules on what they will and will not process payments for, they can accept legal responsibility when they process a payment on a gun someone uses to shoot up a school or what have you. But they cant have it both ways.
In the US at least, they actually do, in many cases. If you are in a drought region, your water utilities can be shut off if you’re wasting it all on watering a lawn or filling a swimming pool, for example. ISPs cut people off all the time for torrenting, sometimes even if it’s not pirated content (though it was ruled not long ago that ISPs aren’t utilities anyways).
Power and water are public utilities (as is internet, in some parts of the world but not all). Payment processing is not. If you want to argue that it should be, we’d likely agree.
They may not be de jure be public utilities but they are de facto public utilities. It is essentially impossible to live in society without them, and outside their collusionist cabal there are no real alternatives.
Sure, but there are so few payment processors that even a single one refusing to do business with you can be a real problem for a business. Even Valve, a big and influential company, has little choice but to capitulate to PayPal. Visa and Mastercard have even more power.
There are too many problems with crypto for it to be a viable alternative, but there’s no good way for me to pay a business (when cash isn’t an option) that doesn’t require the involvement of a third party. Limited competition means those third parties have too much power. I don’t know what it is, but there has to be a solution for that.
The reason might be a slippery slope or whatever, but there’s mountains of disgusting visual novel incest fantasy shit, so much that I had to filter out all sexual content from Steam even though I might enjoy occasional Sex With the Devil or some Genital Jousting.
Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.
This explains why I can’t buy games right now. I tried to use PayPal and it failed but now my account seems to be blocked from any purchase. Not even direct card. When I asked support they demanded a screenshot of my cart.
Dude, Gabe, I just want to play outer wilds. There’s no tits, let alone incest in Outer wilds. I’ve never bought a porn game in my life. Why am I being punished for a billionaire company’s moral panic?
Any game featuring most kinds of animal, including people, is evidence that sex occurred. We should ban those too.
If a game exists, a person made it and that person exists because someone had sex. It’s disgusting how people pay to play that sort of filth.
What goal do the payment processors have for doing things like this, is it just that they like knowing that they have the ability to control what you are and aren’t allowed to enjoy? I ask this because normally, when services change their policies, it’s done to improve profits. But from what I can tell, the payment processors can only lose money because they are eliminating potential revenue sources.
I will admit that I have no interest in any of the games that were removed, I’ve never even heard of them before today, but I don’t agree with payment processors having the ability to sensor content over some schizo bullshit.
Porn-related transactions have a higher than average rate of chargebacks. Maybe post-nut clarity motivates people to say “wait hold on I shouldn’t have spent that money, I must’ve been hacked.” Or maybe it’s people saving face when confronted with a transaction log from their spouse or other family members. Or maybe it’s just the type of transaction that actual card fraudsters gravitate towards, so that there really is a higher percentage of unauthorized transactions.
Gambling-related merchants also have a similar problem with payment processors. For many of them, it’s just straightforward business concerns, not any kind of ethical issue in itself.
The problem with that is that, at least with PayPal, they charge a fee to the service provider (Steam, in this case) for chargebacks. And, from what I’ve heard, that fee is significantly more than the original cost.
Every credit card company charges large fees to the service provider for charge backs. It’s standard practice. This is also leads to service providers straight up perma-banning customers who initiate charge backs instead of resolving a dispute with the provider.
Chargebacks are incredibly expensive, yes.
It could also be the result of government pressure. Which government? No idea, but it may be easier to implement it system wide than try to build a regional filter to ban payments in one country but allow it in others.
I guess so, most (if not all) governments do like abusing their power.
Copy Epic’s model of selling “Sbucks” or similar, which you then spend on those games. Problem solved.
I think it’s not that easy. From what I understand, the payment providers enforce that for the whole store, otherwise they don’t want to be involved. Quite shitty, but they have enough weight to pull shit like that off.
We already have Steam Marketplace. You can buy stuff with your Steam Wallet.
You can literally just “buy” stuff, and put whatever your currency is, in your wallet. so the transaction was already made, to no specific product. How are they able to track that, is utter nonsense. This is just the companies forcing them to do their bidding. I mean if those games have questionable content (and by that I mean pedophilia or zoophilia), I do agree with that, and I feel that is a responsibility from Valve itself, not other companies.
They want to that bad? Why not remove those payment options for those games? There are a load of other payment options besides VISA and Mastercard…
It’s easy to say that Valve should make a stand, but wouldn’t be able to sell games anymore.
This has ruined my life.
You don’t realize it yet, but you have been saavvveeeeddddd by these wonnerful deee-sigh-pulls of Jesus! Can I get an “AMEN,” brothers & sisters?!?
🙄
I just want to jack off to video games and feel bad about it after. Why is the world intent on interfering with my tear jerking???
So what you’re saying is we need a religious themed sex game? I think I follow. You have to fight your way through the 12 apostles and then you and Jesus bang. Its like Mortal Kombat, but with sandals and a lot of baby oil.
That’d mean Jesus was at least bi, if not outright gay. Hmm… might just test the waters with him in order to watch MAGAts completely lose their shit…
There is no sex in
SUUS.
