Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.

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    These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other’s lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.

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      He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.

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        I was curious what the topic of his speech was but I didn’t want to watch the video. What was he talking about?

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          An audience member asked how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years.

          Charlie says “Way too many”.

          The audience member responds, only five.

          Then the audience member asks, “And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?”

          “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked back.

          BANG

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            Confronted with statistics that don’t fit my narrative. Better pivot to the “black people are violent” defense.

            Literally the last thought in this racist piece of shits head. Glorious.

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          Gun violence, funnily enough. He had just finished the quintessential conservative “black and trans people cause most mass shootings” argument.

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          I certainly didn’t watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to “how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?” was “too many”… the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.

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      Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I’m sure inside they’re fucking scared, trying to guess how much they’ll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.

      https://archive.is/3N4JR

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    Bruh… We are in for an explosion of political violence… Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.

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      in for

      I think we’ve been in one. After Trump got shot, I predicted that political assassination would be the “cool thing” among the stochastic terrorism types, and that seems to have been true, between Luigi, That guy who killed those legislators in MN, and now this.

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        I would like to note that Luigi Mangione has not been convicted of anything and it has not been proven that he was the one who killed the UnitedHealthCare CEO, there was also a lot of improper police conduct in relation to his arrest.

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          In fact, I’m pretty sure I saw Luigi Mangione outside my local grocery store roughly halfway around the world when the alleged killing happened.

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          Only the US court system needs to wait for a trial to find Luigi Mangione guilty. The general public is not required to wait for his trial to express their opinion of his guilt.

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      Just like “Elections are the pressure release of an unhappy populace” trust in rule of law helps prevent people from taking things into their own hands.

      Police protection of right wing shotters, ignoring due process, the supreme court saying it’s ok to break the law if you are Trump. People have lost faith in the instutions of law and are taking things into their own hands.

      This is the result of the Republicans dismantling the norms of government and rule of law.

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      No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.

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          Always remember yall, they hate us for existing, we hate them for the harm they cause to others. We are not the same.

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          Now they’ll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won’t be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.

          Nothing good has been accomplished here.

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            Nothing good has been accomplished here.

            Kirk’s assassination will put a chill on professional haters being bold enough to spew their hate in public venues.

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        You sound like when an abused child tells his baby sister not to do anything to make dad mad

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          You sound like someone who is okay with murdering people you don’t like

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            I wouldn’t murder anyone but I’m certainty not going to be upset when a shit gibbon gets his neck blown out.

            You sound like the kind of person that if someone was getting attacked in the street, you would grab their arms to stop them defending themselves while saying to them that they need to be the better person.

            I would happily kick you in the face if that were ever the case

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              That’s such a stupid example. This isn’t a Luigi moment, Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people’s deaths. There are indeed people I would not feel bad about, but congrats on making most normal Americans (outside of this little terrorist bubble) feeling bad for Charlie Kirk and his now-fatherless children because some random guy didn’t like what they heard on the Internet. I’m sure MAGA will resign any day now and install Bernie Sanders as president because your threw a murderous hissy fit. 👍

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                Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people’s deaths

                Seconds before getting owned in the marketplace of ideas, Kirk had literally said trans people are responsible for “too many” school shootings.

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                  And i think MAGA is responsible for a large number of shootings so I guess im a clear target for some right-wing nutjob to leave my child fatherless too now.

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                Charlie Kirk was spreading horrible messaging to the youth of America. He spread racism, homophobia, sexism, and hatred. This is closer to a Luigi moment than anything else. You don’t know what you are talking about.

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                  Hope you have a good job, you’re gonna be spending a fortune on bullets

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            Well, that doesn’t make any sense at all as a third party reading this bullshit. Perhaps you should calm down and stop reacting and start READING.

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        Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he’s a jew simp and threatened him.

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          Why blame Nazis? You are clearly demonstrating that there are plenty of leftists willing to murder people they disagree with on the Internet

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            Agreed, no one ever thinks of the poor Nazis. What did they ever do to hurt anyone?

            …Recently. No, more recently than you’re thinking. Like, they haven’t killed or lynched anyone in the last 30 seconds, have they? QED!

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            How about you take those pearls you are clutching so tightly, and go tell every millionaire, executive, board members, police/ice agent, and nazi this warning. Because apparently you nor them have ever picked up a history book. This only ends one way unless they fuck off to their private sex islands leaving all their wealth. That or them and/or their offspring’s remains will be strung up in the streets as a cautionary tail. I’m not threatening anyone. It’s no different that 2+2=4. Authoritarianism plus inequality equals a lot of dead people.

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              Violent revolution requires hearts and minds, it requires a people so oppressed and wronged that a popular uprising is possible. Unfortunately that means you have to suffer to some degree before that becomes a viable path to retaking power. You can’t skip past it, because then you are standing by yourself looking like nothing more than one of the theoretical leftist terrorists radicals they keep talking about, which i always found ridiculous until i saw the reactions here.

              This isn’t some Luigi moment, he wasn’t sitting around deciding who lives and dies, he was just a right-winger with a social media presence, and i happen to follow a lot of left-wingers with a social media presence who I’d prefer to not see targeted for murder by a bunch of crazies just because they don’t like what they hear.

              Revolution is going to require you to step out of your bubble and understand that most Americans, including progressives like me who didn’t even vote for Clinton because they were not progressive enough, will find your reaction appalling and will never endorse this sort of depravity. Do something more productive with those emotions, understand that good things do not come quickly or easily, and that this has not achieved a single good thing.

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                Uhhhhhhh popular up rising. Have you just been online? Have you just been watching “main stream” news? Has your life been that comfortable?

                For the last time no one is dumb to what you are trying to say. Say I’m in a bubble? Bruh… Go spend your energy somewhere else on individuals that actually need to hear your words. Because we know. There’s more than enough popular connections going on. You just aren’t connected to your community. My community is gearing up for tougher times than we are currently dealing with. So go on. Keep acting like your bubble is a litmus test for whats going on. You are obviously overlooking tons of organizing and ground work going on in communities different than your own.

                Go spend your flowery words on those that actually need it. Because many demographics and communities are organized and are ready for what comes next.

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                  Take a break from the internet and go discuss with your community about your proposal of shooting people in the neck when they say shit you don’t like and have a big enough view count and see how much help they think you are to their problems.

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            Oh look it wasn’t the left. Lol you going to go to conservative spaces and talk your nonsense?

            Kirk was killed by his own side if your didn’t catch the news 😂

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            Holy shit! You still there!? It’s was neo Nazies 😂🤣😂🤣 I totally called it. Dragging my nuts across your propaganda is making my day.

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              If you were so sure it was Nazi you shouldn’t have lead with “Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable.” and then spent the whole arguing why this murder is justified.

              That’s was my point: that thinking is how Nazis acts, not progressives, and that by applauding this you are making it easier for people to claim the left are the violent ones and playing right into their propaganda.

              The fact that you are relieved it was potentially Nazis tells me that deep down inside you know this was bad for business, so thank you for spending another toilet break to follow up on this.

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                Lol yes I stand by every word. Want to know my next prediction? They killed him because the wanted to start a race war. In a just world Kirk would have never have been platformed and given millions to lie about other races, ethnicities, gender, and religion. In a just world Kirk would have been thrown in jail for inciting violence. His death was injustice. But because of his actions and others just like him and yourself his outcome was inevitable. It is celebrated, yes. Ridiculed, yes. Hell, how murder was so predictable Kirk was wearing a bullet proof vest. He should have taken all the hints and examples from his past and put more love and acceptance of into the world. Then maybe he would have never would have caught the eye of those willing to do violence… Remember 2+2=4? And look at all the people just like him and yourself. Backflips to save face? Or Idk what is going through yalls head. Actions have consequences. His actions equaled his death. Because once you throw your lot in with everything modern day conservatives, capitalist, neo-liberals, and bigots beliefs you only have yourself to blame when those same ideals are focused on yourself for even a second is just a fraction of the pain he put out into the world. If it didn’t happen to him last Wednesday or within his lifetime, it was going to happen to anyone who picked up his fight. 2+2=4. Keep acting like the equation is the problem and we’ll never advance as a species.

                And yes. Squeezed a few out while typing this. Because you and people like you are the problem. And I truly hope you wake up and influence those who actually are going to end up just like Kirk. It’s going to happen. If not tomorrow, definitely/predictably/ inevitably this is the outcome. You need to change if you want to save yourself or those that want to follow you.

                My final question and comment to you is, will you? I did. The black and brown communities did. Women did. Poor communities did. Hell even children have. Why not you?

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        This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.

        For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.

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    Bravo. Practice what you preach. It’s about time these people started putting money where their mouth is, eh.

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      I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we’ve just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

      But then, we keep discovering that they’re right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they’re not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.

      Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.

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        They’ve already decided what they want to do. The military has invaded our nations capitol and our second largest city, Trump is threatening Chicago too, and we’re giving a quarter of a trillion dollars to ICE etc. They were already using that Ukrainian woman’s death to push their racist narrative. They will find something regardless. They will happily manufacture a controversy from anything. See Cracker Barrel.

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          Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of “see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they’ve done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!” If it’s a right wing idiot they’ll just gloss over that and say “look how violent our cities our. There’s criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!”

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      Supposedly it was an older white dude, and the alt-right has been rumbling about him (apparently he’s not conservative enough) for a while now. So I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this is just another case of conservatives consuming each other.

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    One reason why we don’t kill is because we are not used to it. I never killed anybody, but I have done just the same thing. I have had a great deal of satisfaction over many obituary notices that I have read. I never got into the habit of killing. I could mention the names of many that it would please me if I could read their obituaries in the paper in the morning,

    ~ Clarence Darrow

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    I’m completely apathetic to this news. I’m not going to celebrate his death. But I think there’s a lesson hidden somewhere in here, we’ll probably lots of lessons.

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      I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

      - Clarence Darrow

      there’s a lesson hidden somewhere in here

      “People should be careful what they wish for.”

      Particularly, his own admission that the deaths of innocents should be perfectly acceptable for 2nd amendment rights to be upheld.

      Well, he sure set an example, now, didn’t he?

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      It is like someone falling to their death doing one of those “Free climbing to the top of a smokestack and hanging by one hand.” videos. You don’t celebrate it but you also think “Well you sort of knew it would come to a bad ending eventually.”

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      I’ve been playing Lead Belly’s Blue Tail Fly every few hours and substituting Monster for Master because i don’t know the lyrics very well

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      That liberals are unhinged psychopath murderers who constantly roam around calling everyone a Nazi fascist racist bigot and further alienating themselves, to lose more elections as a result? That’s definitely a lesson to be learned here. Keep on increasing that division and see where it gets you, this site will never take off because most normal people will read these threads and realize the mental derangement.

      https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

      Hundreds have already been fired for this rhetoric, and many more to come.

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        The things these people are saying aren’t even remotely as rude as the sort of things Charlie would say at an average event. Kirk suggested gay people be stoned to death. He said George Floyd had it coming. He blamed rape victims for dressing poorly. But those are all just words.

        So are you suggesting these people are murderers just because they are sharing some uncomfortable words? Curious.