As a member of a jury, you absolutely have the right to refuse to indict. Just make sure you don’t mention jury nullification during the jury selection process. Judges and prosecutors hate that.
How many times can he be retried for the same crime if the Jury does that? As I fully expect Trump to demand the DOJ keep doing it as many times as they can
I mention it every time I’m in the jury selection process to ensure I never have to do jury duty
If anyone is to get the death penalty—which I’m against—it should be the people calling for him to get the death penalty.
You won’t be able to rely on the judge, so it’ll come down to jury nullification.
Expect an executive order banning that any day now (not that such a ban would make any sense or be enforceable for any reason other than “Trump don’t like it.”)
He is innocent, obviously a patsy when they could not find the real culprit.
The pictures from the crime scene do not match, if the eyebrows do not fit you cannot convict.
I think he’s guilty and they only caught him through illegal means, and they realized they can’t reconstruct legal evidence so they have to smear him.
My thoughts as well.
I heard someone told the cashier where they caught him “hey that’s the CEO assassin guy, you should call it in and get the reward!”
Reeks of illegal surveillance.
There was also that confession letter…
And it doesn’t make sense to dump a backpack but not the gun.
Obviously it was some Puerto Rican guy.
Hmm, not so sure about the innocence, imho. Also the photos I saw look very much like him. But I am a layman and open for arguments.
I am however curious about the eyebrows-argument. Is there maybe a video or blog, where someone with a background of crime investigation analyzes the provided screen caps and other evidence?
Edit: imagine downvoting an opinion you don’t like, instead of actually answering the question and helping understand the situation. This is not even a debate lmao
Here is my argument. He only looks similar. They “found” a gun when searching the backpack way later out of eyewitnesses. Why would he have a manifest and such with him in an entirely different state after leaving a crime scene. But I’m also just a layman and could be wrong.
Has he made any sort of public statement about it?
Well, humans can act weird, especially under heavy stress. You usually don’t just kill someone for the very first time and shrug it off. However, I do actually not know when and where they found the evidence. If the manifest was handwritten, then it is quite easy to find out if he wrote it.
The usual stress action in these sort of cases is to dump evidence immediately. In fact, the actual hero kind of did that by leaving a backpack in the nearby park.
Guys I think we
findfound the real killer! Everyone be on the lookout for zr0 getting his eyebrows waxed or altered to mask his true appearance!I did not come up with the argument and I have actually no clue how important eyebrows are in a criminal case
I think he was innocent because it was clearly self defense.
Yeah I think we all are on the same page about what monster the CEO was
The photos from the crime scene do not match his photos, the youth hostel is another story that looks like him, the photo of the guy with the surgical mask on the street where it happened, not the same guy. You can shave off unibrows, you cannot grow one in a week. Plus other facial features do not match.
Who ever said anything about a debate?
There is reasonable doubt based on what has been provided to the public. But I am sure there is a lot more evidence to be shown at trial.
You say reasonable doubt. Who is saying this?
Me. No one of importance is, because the trial hasn’t started yet.
Death penalty for a murder of a single persons seems harsh. I’m anti death penalty 100% of the time, though.
They want the death penalty in case other Americans get ideas. They want to make an example out of him.
It’s a thin line between making an example or making a martyr of him, so the case will likely perpetually linger in limbo.
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ah I see you’re still using “person” as a measurement unit instead of the more modern “net worth”
Am I the only one to find the phrase “net worth” disgusting? It should be “net wealth” or something.
No, there are at least 2 of us. Even the concept that it’s somehow a useful measure to anyone else than your local tax authorities (except maybe for people running for public office) sounds a bit iffy to me.
So you are right that giving it a name that ties it to your “worth” as a person is terrible.
Is it net worth, or how much money this guy gave Trump behind the scenes?
This particular murder is a challenge to the rule of law as a basic principle in a way that, for example, multiple murders by a serial killer are not. The serial killer does more direct harm, but IMO this murder requires more forceful repudiation by society.
If that is your take then you are a monster. A sociopathic monster.
The CEO in question was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people through sheer greed.
You are not a human being.
The tag I gave you months ago checks out.
LOL I am on web and after reading the above comment I thought “I wish was using Voyager so I could tag that user”
It’s a handy feature. Boost has it too!
TIL you can tag users in Voyager. I’ve been using it since I moved to Lemmy and never knew.
You can tag users in Thunder too
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There’s an extension for Firefox that I use
Nice, now I kind of wish you could see what other people have tagged users as. Except for the rampant abuse that would proliferate from that capability.
Haha, yeah I know what you mean.
That’s awesome how do I do this. I keep seeing these enablers or bots with increasing frequency
Do you use web or a mobile app? Voyager, thunder, and boost have this as a feature, and apparently there’s a Firefox extension that can do it also
…huh. I read that as giving the viewpoint of this administration, not as presenting a more fundamental (to them) truth.
I suspect you’ve got the more accurate read; thanks for posting this!
What do we do about the murder of thousands by using AI to refuse medical care, and instead funnel the profits to shareholder portfolios?
And what exactly makes this one worse than others?
The victim being rich and powerful, unlike most murder victims?
The victim belonging to a group of people very lucrative to the powers that be?
The fact that your favorite authoritarian politicians and talking heads said so on tv?
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer. There have already been two more murders inspired at least partially by the murder of Brian Thompson (at least to the extent that the killers also wrote messages on the shell casings). If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
Talk to your buddy trump about respecting the rule of law. Also, violence is inherent with government, what the fuck are you talking about?
Do you think not respecting Hebeas Corpus is not violent? How about putting hard-working innocent people in chains and sending them to concentration camps?
You have serious issues.
No significant social change has been acquired without violence, like it or not.
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer
I’d personally argue that the motive is a huge mitigating factor in this case. Especially when you consider the hell that the insurance industry leeches put him and his family through.
IF it’s even him, that is.
If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
I’m of the opinion that law doesn’t automatically equal justice and that justice is MUCH more important than law.
Which is why I consider illegal but justifiable actions against legally entrenched injustice much less egregious than that which is unjust but perfectly legal.
The problem with this line of thinking is that people like Brian Thompson are excused entirely. How much pain, suffering, and unnecessary death did Brian Thompson enable with his policies? And what recourse did his victims have?
Fix that problem, and attacks like this don’t happen in the first place.
Bro, we have a 2 tier justice system. This just makes it a little more just.
Username checks out.
Arbitrary benchmarks.
Why I think we should give this man a trophy and a lifetime supply of chocolate. Anybody that kills the Nazi should be given the same treatment that our world war II soldiers were given. Fucking ticker tape parade for this motherfucker.
Maybe if the rule of law was doing it’s fucking job and punishing these insurance bastards like they deserve randos wouldn’t have to gun them down in the street. Society should be grateful SOMEONE did something about it.
From what I’ve been hearing, society IS grateful.
Just not the billionaires, and the media they control is how they voice it.
I guess it makes sense. A principled murder needs harsher punishment than even a serial killer… That’s the theory anyway.
Luigi shouldn’t be in jail at all. He was just looking out for several million of his friends.
Not to mention that he clearly isn’t the shooter.
That was someone with very different eyebrows. The only thing we know about his appearance.
It couldn’t have been him, Luigi and I were fishing that day all day long. We both wept when we heard the news.
My mother was one of the ones without proper health care and the CEO death triggered a change that put her back on health care… Now I have to deal with her longer because she won’t die. A sad day truly, Luigi said so too
I know Italians grow hair fast, but not that fast.
He should be released and compensated for the time he spent behind bars. He is innocent.
Everyone say it with me, “Luigi Mangione is an innocent man being framed by the government because they were unable to find the real culprit.”
#free Luigi
I would vote not guilty no matter what if I was on his jury. Billionaires and major corporate CEOs need to live in fear for how they treat people. They kill tons of people with their callousness and greed.
Stick me on that same jury. Not guilty x2.
It’s literally self defense at this point.
We need a new US monument/shrine where we can pilgrimage to and make an offering to the god of incompetence (which one is that again?) for smiling kindly upon us. It feels wrong to be relying so solely on the power of one god here without offering up any kind of gift in thanks.
like this one?
Random, but at this point why not claim he was trying to kill leftists, at which point Trump would forgive him?
That CEO guy was antifa
The CEO said mean things about Charlie Kirk.
If I were on the Jury hes innocent. My grandma died from a bad premium.
I doubt the defense would go that route but I’m really curious how it would turn out. Like you’re allowed to use deadly force to save a life, and it could be reasonably argued that hundreds, maybe thousands of lives were saved in the aftermath of the shooting.
Realistically there’s no way that can be allowed to be a legal precident, but it would be funny to try.
My grandfather was about to be kicked out of his nursing home by united. Then the shooting happened amd they “noticed” that his care was actually still covered.
So, you really think that a new CEO will act any differently? No lives were saved. The problem is the system. Not an individual CEO.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, insurance companies knee jerk approved a shitload of claims they would have normally denied. Even if that’s been “fixed,” the positive effect happened and was not negligible.
Jury nullification doesn’t require a reason and isn’t usually cited as precedent.
I meant specifically a not guilty verdict on the grounds of defense. That would be wild. Obviously nullification or some technicality of law is going to be the best bet.
Is it just me, or do all the new news pics of Luigi look less… Pro-Luigi?
Mostly he’ll avoid the death penalty because he didn’t do it. Trump’s comments just make it a bit easier.
The judge ordered the DOJ prosecutors to file a response by Oct. 3 that included “a sworn declaration from a person of suitable authority…that explains to the Court how these violations occurred, despite the Court’s April 25 Order, and what steps are being taken to ensure that no future violations occur.”
The order further required the prosecutors “to advise the Deputy Attorney General, for dissemination within the Department as appropriate, that future violations may result in sanctions, which could include personal financial penalties, contempt of court findings, or relief specific to the prosecution of this matter,” and to include “confirmation that this message has been conveyed to the Deputy Attorney General” in the sworn declaration due Oct. 3.
Garnett concluded by stating that she “will consider” the statements by DOJ employees cited in the defense letter as part of the defense’s motion to strike the death penalty, spelling out a potentially very real consequence for a Trump administration that has aggressively agitated for severe consequences for Thompson’s murder.
