At least one journalist was hospitalized after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were seen cursing out, grabbing and shoving reporters on a public elevator.According to amNewYork, ICE agents were apprehending a suspected immigrant inside the elevator at 26 Federal Plaza in Lower Manhattan o...

At least one journalist was hospitalized after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were seen cursing out, grabbing and shoving reporters on a public elevator.According to amNewYork, ICE agents were apprehending a suspected immigrant inside the elevator at 26 Federal Plaza in Lower Manhattan o…

  • Doorbook@lemmy.world
    272·
    23 hours ago

    Again useless news title. This passive voice is good for academic writing not news articles.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    281·
    1 day ago

    Everyone should be arming themselves and everyone they know for what’s coming. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s coming and exactly what it will look like, but you will definitely want to be armed.

    • lemonySplit@lemmy.ca
      9·
      1 day ago

      Anyone have a non paywalled version? Started reading it only to find you have to subscribe to the Atlantic

      • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
        213·
        1 day ago

        In the US, The Heritage Foundation has been laying the groundwork since the mid-1970s.

        But, sure, it’s the “Libs”…

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
          81·
          1 day ago

          Libs, as in centrist neoliberals, enabled the far right as it is now.

          On a tangent, I didn’t know Heritage Foundation has been around that long. I can imagine they popped up as a response to the hippie counterculture. I’m not excusing the Heritage, but the left and right dichotomy is like a pendulum that always swings on either side. Now the pendulum swung closer to the far right, if we’re not already there.

      • (des)mosthenes@lemmy.world
        182·
        1 day ago

        sheep do think like that. just cause dems were forced to overturn the 60 vote threshold by an uncooperative minority party holding congress hostage. ignore everything else conservatives did to dismantle centuries of established precedence and law

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
          22·
          23 hours ago

          I did not say Dems. I said Liberals. Because it does not solely apply do Dems. Also to pre-Hitler Germany caving to the far right on everything.

      • nomy@lemmy.zipEnglish
        123·
        1 day ago

        That’s your knee-jerk reaction isn’t it? Blame someone.

        You sound like Fox News. If you want to blame someone blame the owner class and 70 years of Heritage Foundation propaganda.

  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
    20·
    1 day ago

    Looking for self-defense classes for my SO. Sure, it’s illegal to fight back, but I mean it mostly to minimize their attack. Also, encouraging them to do daily calisthenics. Fortunately they’ve always been athletic so it’s not a huge encouragement.

    We’re not their target yet, but I’ve no doubt that soon everyone will be.

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
      181·
      1 day ago

      It’s going to be illegal for a lot of us to even exist soon. Might as well fight back.

    • MML@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      23 hours ago

      It’s not illegal to fight back, this is literally what the second amendment is for.

          • TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works
            41·
            21 hours ago

            If you’re EXTREMELY lucky, I would say. In this climate, other ice or law enforcement are just going to kill you. Or at the very least throw you in prison, into a system where you also might just disappear. Without seeing a lawyer or your family, to another country, where you may not be a citizen or have ever lived. And possibly into their foreign prison system directly, into an evil vilainesque torture prison designed for nobody to ever leave

          • Psythik@lemmy.world
            2·
            20 hours ago

            Assuming you survive the hellfire of bullets that will rain down on you if you try, that is.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
      2·
      22 hours ago

      Sure, it’s illegal to fight back,

      Oh, so they’ve dialed another notch into fascism, i see…

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    48·
    1 day ago

    I’m honestly curious when people are gonna start actually ambushing and executing these ICEcubes, because they’re making it pretty obvious that they’re clear and present dangers to civil society, and generally enemies of perfectly normal and fully law abiding citizens (not to mention the vast majority of absolutely harmless undocumented immigrants that are being targeted as scapegoats).

    • mhague@lemmy.world
      271·
      1 day ago

      Well if people start executing ICE I’m not going to say anything about it.

      It’s like how you aren’t legally required to render aid in California. If I saw a wrecked car with a maga bumper sticker, then I didn’t see a wrecked car ;)

      • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
        102·
        1 day ago

        I take mental note of the fascists in my neighborhood (Trump flags, thin blue line flags, let’s go Brandon stickers, don’t tread on me crap, etc). I live in the middle of a fire risk zone in California. If there’s a fire, I’m not helping the fascists evacuate. They voted for crooks that don’t believe in science and climate change so they can sleep in the bed they made. That bed being a grave.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
        28·
        19 hours ago

        If I saw a wrecked car with a maga bumper sticker, then I didn’t see a wrecked car ;)

        I want their factional fascist ideology to go away too, but if this is sincere, then the red-hat-blue-hat hate politics of MAGA has already won. And that’s sad indeed.

        Edit: Getting labeled and flamed for advocating against the hypothetical of letting a random human being burn to death solely based on “bumper sticker” as justification. This world is friggin wild. Lol

        Edit 2: Sorry I didn’t realize “Let’s not prime ourselves to knee-jerk dehumanize human beings based on flippant things like bumper stickers” was such a controversial take. I’m not “both sidesing”. Their side is clearly horrible and we’re supposed to be better than that.

        Maybe I was foolish to let an appeal to human empathy interrupt a good old-fashioned edgy keyboard jihad.

        I’ve said my piece. Have a good one.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            21·
            23 hours ago

            LOL maybe?

            But at the time it felt like the most expedient way of criticizing the mentality of

            “Two sides agreeing it’s okay to commit increasingly heinous violence and horrors on each other out of inflated sense of moral superiority.”

        • cycadophyta@lemmy.world
          21·
          1 day ago

          Oh fuck off. Republicans will never stop and you’re a liberal fascist yourself with your sentiment here.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            33·
            24 hours ago

            Sorry but you’re gonna run out of friends pretty quick with that attitude, because eventually you’ll all be attacking and labeling each other for your views falling short of some arbitrary perfection.

            The above statement was joking about letting a random idiot who posed no threat die horrifically because of a label. If that’s the monsters we’re willing to become, then so much for the empathy we claim to champion.

            It’s simply a statement that didn’t need to be made.

            I recall everyone being justifiably disgusted at fascist muppets cheering on the murders of their political opponents by unhinged psychopaths drunk off their rhetoric.

            But it’s okay when we do it? That’s MAGA shit. That’s tankie shit. That kind of tribalism is the domain of the worst kinds of assholes.

            We must defend ourselves, fight fascists, but if we lose our humanity in the process and get off to thoughts of our dead neighbors over stupidity, then what’s the friggin point anymore?

            Anyway, hope you’re doing alright today. Stay safe out there.

              • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
                2·
                21 hours ago

                I don’t recall supporting or pushing any such bullshit.

                That’s a weak political “strategy” slogan, by weak slightly-less-right politicians, to motivate their ineffective and self-interested party.

                I’m not a politician. I’m just another working class person on the internet trying to do the best I can.

                My message was really simple without adding a metric ton of preconceived notions: Dehumanizing other human beings is the quickest way to the wrong side of history. Simple as.

                We fight our enemies because we must. We can win by whatever means we must use. If we choose to delight in and celebrate the death and suffering of non-combatants, we’re no longer fighting evil. We’re just another stupid faction in yet another of history’s cyclical doomed conflicts.

                The fact that “We shouldn’t fantasize about our neighbors burning to death, however stupid they may be.” is a controversial idea, might be why nobody can seem to meaningfully rally their opposition together.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      10·
      1 day ago

      I too am surprised not to have heard of ambushes. Maybe their tip line is so swampped with BS protest tips, that they don’t even check the tips. Without that, there isn’t much of a way to know where they will be. Which means at least one person in ICE is probably smart.

      That said… killing federal officers probably isn’t a great plan. But if you could incapacitate them somehow, and like sharpie thier foreheads or something, that would be pretty funny. And of course take a photo with thier mask off…

  • eRac@lemmings.world
    176·
    2 days ago

    26 Federal Plaza

    That building houses immigration services. They are attacking people coming to scheduled appointments.

  • MynameisAllen@lemmy.zip
    1721·
    2 days ago

    Truly I want someone to just use their second amendment right in response to something like this

    • ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world
      130·
      2 days ago

      It’s coming. They’re officallt trying to “declare war” on American cities. There is going to be violent backlash, and unfortunately that’s exactly what they want.

      • Glifted@lemmy.world
        75·
        2 days ago

        Yeah, I kinda think they’re trying to spark a civil war. They believe they will win and then they will “purge” everyone who opposes them.

        • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
          142·
          1 day ago

          I don’t believe they think they’ll win, but winning isn’t the goal, doing irreparable damage to America is the point. The entire goal has always been to hurt America at the behest of foreign masters, the most effective way to do that is just to ignite the powder keg of political divide that already exist.

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
          26·
          2 days ago

          Funny. I think the same thing would happen to MAGATs, Klanners, and the 1%.

          As ever, I won’t start the fight, but I intend to be the one who walks away from it. Preferably with other minorities.

          • Glifted@lemmy.world
            14·
            2 days ago

            Yeah definitely be ready to fight if it comes to it but it’s a worst-case scenario. A civil war breaking out here would be devestating to everyone

      • drzoidberg@lemmy.world
        661·
        2 days ago

        There’s no way out of it now. Either bend over and take the fascism, or fight for your freedom.

        Peaceful protesting isn’t going to do it, and good luck thinking elections are going to matter. Look what they’re currently doing to the Democrat that just won the House seat. Refusing to swear them in.

        We will have to kill Nazis again. If you don’t, you’ll have a boot on your neck till they drag you off to the next concentration camp.

      • MynameisAllen@lemmy.zip
        23·
        2 days ago

        I mean I don’t really know what other response one could give? “Let’s drum circle this bitch out?” The only other response I could imagine is a general strike, which I’m all for but doubt will happen

      • Montagge@lemmy.zip
        212·
        2 days ago

        It doesn’t matter at this point. We do nothing they complete their agenda. We do something maybe they use it as an excuse to expedite their agenda.

        • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          2 days ago

          We do nothing they complete their agenda. We do something maybe they use it as an excuse to expedite their agenda.

          If the outlook is the same either way, might as well bag a few Nazis on the way down.

        • HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca
          17·
          2 days ago

          Which is exactly what I and many, many other people have been screaming for months and months. Every day you wait, it’s a harder fight. So your choices are act now and suffer, or act later and suffer worse. Sucks, but that is your reality.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      151·
      2 days ago

      The majority of guns are owned by white heterosexual male Christian Republicans. What’s the group that the fascists haven’t been targeting again?

      The thing about guns is that they have caused incredible harm, and a lot of people have looked at the statistics and realized that gun ownership makes their family less-safe. So most gun ownership is related to irrational fear or a heritage of gun culture. I’m in the latter group myself, and own dozens of firearms, but I’ve never been under the illusion that my gun ownership made me safer on average.

      But these are not normal times, and I fear that many minorities and those on the political left may realize too late that guns can suddenly stop being evil when they become necessary. And I absolutely believe they’ll be cracking down on gun ownership. If trans gun ownership isn’t banned in a year I’ll be shocked.

      And I won’t be surprised in the least if NICS checks for registered Democrats start getting funky. I don’t think Patel’s FBI will be dumb enough to deny all Democrats, but it would be very easy for them to put a delay flag on a check.

      Under a delay the full check is pending and the firearm can’t be sold for 3 days, after which it can proceed so long as a deny hasn’t been returned. But most major retailers won’t transfer on a delay until a proceed comes back, which can take as long as 6 weeks.

      And since NICS checks are only valid for 30 days from the date the check begins, a delay that is returned as a proceed after 6 weeks isn’t valid and can’t be used to sell a firearm. But since it’s a proceed there’s no grounds to challenge it.

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
      87·
      2 days ago

      Here’s the thing, if it got to that point, it is 100% game over for America. No coming back. Guns are a tool to delete life. That is their purpose. Randomly shooting random people to prove some kind of one-off point doesn’t solve the problem, it justifies Stephen Miller’s warped reality of furiously masturbating to the suffering of others by actively sending shoot-to-kill military into every city. They have many more resources at their disposal than civilians. Same reason every other targeted shooting has been absolutely pointless thus far, and if nothing else emboldened Evil, capital E.

      What you can do if you are even in America, is get to a range, (find a good one, there are garbage ranges, and they should be avoided) rent a firearm, and train. Take classes. Do your due diligence in safe firearms handling. You should have already started this in November, but no time like the present to catch up. If you have the resources, acquire firearms once you’re trained, they don’t have to be fancy or new, they just have to work. Stock up on ammo. The classes will be sobering as if they are good, they get into the nitty gritty of displacing the most amount of fluids and all sorts of things that will likely unsettle if not gross out most civilized human beings. You’re also meeting fellow firearm owners, which is a community all its own, the more citizens armed, the less the Nazis can take out, the more we can all reinforce to each other that we’re in this together and it’s just a bunch of rich angry soulless sycophants trying to destroy America. There’s a reason the Swiss issue firearms to every home.

      You also should have been stocking up on supplies, food, medication (medications can be time-consuming to stock up on due to silly insurance, we’ll fix that later) since last November. Not crazy prepper level storage, but enough to get by through supply chain gaps. The pandemic taught everyone how to do that already. Most of all, after all of that, you should be spending as little as you can into the US economy and prepare for a 0 spend. If we can get any consistent messaging and language out there, a general strike should come sooner than later. We’re past the hot shit summer and have some time before winter. Should minimize life loss due to such a thing. There are 340some million people in America. Not everyone will (or be able to) join in, but it just takes a few key choke points to shut the whole thing down. How about tomorrow when the Federal government shuts down? (But realistically, probably some time in the near future.)

      Johnny Larper all by himself with an AR-15 is going to be no match for the loosely-trained ICE dolts due to sheer numbers, and especially not a Predator drone they won’t even see or hear coming if it actually got real. (Although, hopefully our military has more respect for America than the current administration, and point their weapons in the correct direction.)

      Edit: I chuckle at the uninformed (and/or troll bots) that are downvoting reality. Life, unfortunately, is not binary. Keep downvoting, but at least go out and read (well, hard for the bots) some documents on history, civilization, community, defense, medicine, care. There is a lot (especially in America) that school does not teach. Bonus points: Read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and amendments, the Gettysburg Address even. Actually read the words. Figure out what you think your nation actually means to you. Not talking “patriotism” which is stupid blind faith - just the dirt you live on and your community and what you find acceptable behavior.

      • frongt@lemmy.zip
        14·
        2 days ago

        Even more important than that is ORGANIZE WITH YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS. We can not survive fascism with 300 million individuals, we must ally and work together.

        And I don’t even mean like form a militia, I mean any group, whether that’s mutual aid, a soup kitchen, a book club. Get to know your neighbors.

        • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
          6·
          2 days ago

          Yes, thanks for that, I forgot to mention that very important point. We need our communities more than ever. When stocking up, try and stock a little extra so you can help your family, friends, neighbors if they’re short on anything. Especially the medications and medical supplies, double-especially for the old and infirm. Kindness and generosity is the real strength.

          All the bags of beans and bullets in the world do nothing if there isn’t a community working together. Any and all community.

    • BaroqueInMind@piefed.socialEnglish
      67·
      2 days ago

      I see this a lot, and I gotta ask, as a fellow Lefty: what is stopping you? You ALSO can use your 2nd as well if you are a citizen.

      Stop hoping another mentally ill person does it for you, that’s just being lazy and spreading rhetoric.

      Calling for violence online is not cool, go be the change you want to see in the world yourself