She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer.
I think that’s needlessly infantilizing her. She’s 22. She’s not a “little kid”. I think she’s old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a “little kid”?
The youth should have their opinions respected too.
I’m not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I’m thinking when someone says “little kid”. Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.
I mean, I feel you, I remember aggroing over verbiage like that when I was younger, but as I am now approaching my upper 30s, I find myself referring to basically 25 yos and under as ‘kids’, its not necesarrily always meant in a demeaning, infantilzing way, can be meant more in the sense of…
… ‘has their whole life ahead of them still, it shouldn’t be marred or maimed or traumatized this early’ /
/ ‘they are adults technically yes, but they have far less experience than most other adults’ /
/ ‘they are too young to be beset by such cruelty and hardship, there should be other adults being better adults such that these awful things do not happen.’
I guess what I am trying to say is it becomes a kind of genuine, broad protective connotation, not trying to be belittling, moreso a lament that the world has failed.
Maybe call it a bungled attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
The thing is, she wasn’t just called a kid, but a “little kid”.
Sure, I’d call early 20s kids too. Hell, I’m a kid, I’m only turning 30 this year. But I wouldn’t call someone a “little kid” once they hit their teenage years. The “little” is what makes the difference in tone. Could’ve said “she’s just a kid” and it would’ve been a believable attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
Keep in mind that we’re talking about a translation here. The phrase quoted might not have the same connotations in Turkish as it does in English.
Part of the job of a translator is to get those details right.
Oh shit I didn’t ever clock that, yeah, yeah this kind of slight difference in phrasing between acceptable and unnaceptable stuff gets a million times more confusing when you are literally moving between languages.
Great example of that: Why are there so many different Bible translations and why do so many people argue about which one is better?
I absolutely think of 22 as a little kid, but I was there when the last Woolly Mammoth died, so it’s somewhat relative.
Idk, to me “little kid” means “not in school yet”. It’s the “little” that makes the difference, compared to just calling someone a kid or kiddo.
Well someone who is above 40 will probably think of her as a little kid while someone who 28 for example will probably think that they are close in age. Though this doesn’t matter no one deserves to be treated like this regardless of age.
I’m 46. Nobody over the age of 12 is is a “little” kid to me. I can’t imagine ever calling a legal adult a little kid.
Depends on how old the person saying that. I’m only in my late 30’s and anyone in their early 20’s does feel like a kid. Yes, 22 is an adult, but you’ve barely just scratched the surface of life experiences.
Thing is, the older people get, the more selfish they seem to get too. The entire world burning down in 10 years doesn’t matter if you’re 98. So more life experience isn’t automatically more credible.
That’s a bullshit generalization, or “stereotype”. Jane Goodall just died at a ripe old age and she was a saint. You’re not debating, just throwing bullshit assumptions out and acting like you just wrote a thesis paper on experience.
There’s always exceptions.
That doesn’t change this:
And in general, if you look at politicians, the few who actually fight for the future are on the younger side (think AOC, Mamdani, etc). Yes, obviously there are exceptions. Bernie Sanders being a huge one.
Cool, now let’s talk about the overwhelming majority of today’s youth leaning right. If young people are so much smarter why are so many of them falling into that trap?
Oh shit, it’s almost like making generalizations leads to you spouting bullshit out of context. I can just as easily paint today’s youth as absolute morons.
But you’re so ready to be like “old people dumb and evil” that you forget this is all about calling Greta " a child". You know, like your grandma might do to your adult self because, from her perspective, you still are.
Go touch some grass you fucking loser. We’re talking about someone being abused and you’re nitpicking over the definition of “child”. You’ve missed the mark so far you’re not even in the same stadium.
I’m talking natural leanings vs all the young people currently being exposed to right wing propaganda which is different.
There’s a common saying “you’ll grow out of liberalism” among older conservatives.
Oh, you have a SAYING?!? Omg, another vague generalization? Holy shit, how have we as a species survived for so long without your wisdom, Plato??? You need to tell the masses!
Hey everyone, this guy has boiled down all of politics to a few simple sayings! We’ve found the Messiah!
Fucking dumbass 😑
Again, this is about someone older referring to a young person as “still a child”. That’s it, you fucking tool. How daft are you?
Selfish people dedicate their lives to accumulating wealth and wealthy people tend to live longer.
I feel that anyone in their 30s is a child.
You’ve only had 15 years at being an adult what would you know
So perspective does matter when understanding utterings in their context!
Yes, I am still young and there’s much to learn still. Just there’s EVEN MORE OF THAT for younger people. It’s called perspective.
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There’s 150 comments in this one post, having a couple about this one thing - which I also thought was off - is fine and good.
It’s ok for people to point out bad things in something you agree with overall.
I’m sorry, I just think that the zionist actions are bad by default but news articles shouldn’t minimize the people that defy them?
That’s fair. And I completely agree with you, in general
But, you knew there was a but coming, it was the person who saw the beating that actually said she is a kid. And, in this case at least it seems, that the media was just quoting them.
Plus, in my view, the sentence of “Israeli terrorists beat a kid” is worse than “Israeli terrorists beat an adult”.
So, to me, it looked like you were nitpicking and trying to minimise their actions by pointing out Greta isn’t a child. It seems I got that bit wrong and I apologise.Fair, I can see how we might have misunderstood each other
What do you mean it’s not 2015??? /s
Israel is a fucking terrorist country. IDF is a new SS. They are new Nazi.
“Never again” meant “Never again to us” for the ZioNazis.
They will never live this down either. Netanyahu’s government has destroyed Israeli reputation for decades to come.
And if you know the history of Zionism, then you’ll know that both the Zionist and National Socialist parties in pre-WWII Germany and Europe complemented each other.
The Nazis got going before the Zions did, but both are siblings of each other.
The Zions have had time to more perfect their fascism tho
For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you’ll “wait for the facts” or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you’ve set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes “roughness” versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear “the other side” of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we’ve all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for “selfies”—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you’ll indulge the sensation that something isn’t right here?
Wake. Up.
Waiting for the facts is a pretty sensible move in most situations.
You’ll never act when you need to if that’s your bar to action.
Requiring some evidence isn’t a high bar. I think most shouldn’t act on unverified claims.
At this point in time everything Israel and Netanyahu do is sus, so ‘waiting for the facts’ is just an excuse to do nothing.
For some, I guess it could be. I just personally prefer for more concrete info for most stuff.
Then why even comment? Your comment brings zero value
The comment above mine was trying to call out people who want to wait for facts. I just shared my opinion on it. This is not a very high barrier platform lol
Since you are not waiting. What are you doing?
Shaming others on social media, of course. How very brave and noble of them!
Mental masturbation is it? Let me assure you that you can’t shame these people. They have none along with no empathy.
So let’s spread potential misinformation instead! Banzai!
(There’s enough evidence of Netanyhau and Israel’s atrocities not to have to potentially make shit up.)
One piece of misinfo is enough for them to use as a Get out of jail-free card
Indeed, but that isn’t my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn’t have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn’t even worthy of criticism it’s so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
FOX news & Sky News aren’t captured. They ARE conservative propaganda machines
This is OLD news, their genociding has been going-on for years, now.
“comically”, the Jewish book of Jeremiah, & the Jewish book of Isaiah, both speak of Israel turning anti-God, & then getting G-D’s wrath torching it…
IF that biblical-rule still holds, THEN Netanyahu’s “Israel” is getting torched, soon.
Simply wait & see: if that torching does happen, then their God made it happen, according to their scripture, right?
Here’s facts, for the ideological to ignore/deny: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/
Israeli identity is rooted on genociding/exterminating multiple-nations, thousands of years ago:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB orders the EXTERMINATION of 6 nations, & another of their books identifies that it was 7 exterminations, not 6, they were to enforce.
Genociding/exterminating/holocausting isn’t a new behavior for Israel.
Doing it in the name of “zionism” is new, but genociding isn’t new.
I’d never have guessed this, having grown-up in 2 religions: medical-science & Catholicism,
but the book “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain identified that the original holocausting was done by the Jews, & I went & checked in the bible, & yep… there it was…
what Shlain didn’t notice, probably because of being Jewish, was that the Catholic Inquisitors were Latin-educated, which also corroborates his point that getting populations to be left-hemisphere-dominant forces ideological-rabies…
What is the root-cause, though? Want experience-induced-undersanding which vastens one’s mind?
Work-through, not-merely-read, it is the DOing which produces the experience-of-sentience-transformation, Betty Edwards’ “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, the 4th, Definitive Edition”, but use charcoals, which makes it much easier to experience the hemisphere-dominance-shift…
See this gallery?
https://www.drawright.com/before-after
That SHOWS the difference-in-MIND of hemisphere-dominance-shift: it is EVIDENCE.
Being an autistic blockhead, it took me 3y, not 5d, to experience that shift, because fighting the woodenness-of-my-brain made me want to scream…
Anyways, all who pretend that “there is no evidence for hemisphere-dominance-shift”, are people who won’t do the experiment, so … they can shove their ideology … wherever their egos are, to keep their egos company.
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Ideology, specifically symbol-anchored ideology, is prone to rabies/genociding, exactly as Shlain identified, throughout human history.
R-Mind isn’t prone to rabies/genociding.
Exactly as Marshall McLuhan, the ultra-genius who forsaw telework around 1953, it isn’t possible for people who grew-up literate to understand what illiterate-culture’s story-river sentience is, or means…
His stupendous insight is embodied in “The Medium Is The mAssage”, strange-capitalization is mine, but the spelling is his!
The medium of electric-technology, as he called it, is modular, & it forms minds into modularity!
The medium of story-river isn’t modular, & forms minds into holding-onto eternal story-river, because that’s their greatest treasure: it is who they are that they are holding-onto!
There’s no way to imagine being in sooo-different a kind of sentience.
Precisely the same impossibility-of-understanding-the-difference is true, with hemisphere-dominance-shift: it isn’t possible to imagine within-1-sentience-kind, what any other-sentience-kind means/is/feels-like!
Hofstadter’s “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid” was also on this single point, from a totally-different angle:
Formal-systems, ideologies, prejudices, & “religions”, all are AXIOM-BASED knowing: and evidence is powerless to falsify them!
One has to choose between 2 mutually exclusive knowing-paradigms: self-consistency/axiom-based, … XOR … completeness/universe-centered.
Godel’s Theorem of Incompleteness mathematically proved that self-consistency CANNOT be complete-knowing of universe!
Anyways, back to sentiences:
IF one never even experiences one’s own brain’s hemisphere-dominance-shift, THEN one dies ignorant of AN ENTIRE DIMENSION of one’s own sentience!
The fact that alphabetic-language/left-hemisphere-polarization also consistently produces more genociding, builds on that as evidence that limiting ourselves to a specific-subset-of-our-potential creates distorted-psyche… & distorted-behavior/society.
I ask everyone, as Betty Edwards asked everyone, please DO THE EXPERIMENT, & EXPERIENCE the resultant sentience-shift, your own self, & KNOW what that sentience-shift feels-like,
& when one does, THEN Shlain’s book turns into fluorescent, & screaming, warning, about the consequences of blocking-out the other-half of our brains.
People who experience both kinds of sentience, regularly, don’t do what the ideologues are doing with our world!
That the mode-of-mind that the polarized-in-symbols people are demonstrating, with its ideological-genociding, is a distortion.
It is a mind-distortion that WE have been educated into!
Cut the root of the distortion, by directly-experiencing it oneself!
Here: I’ll give you the links to the books, themselves… ( none of these are “affiliate” links: machiavellianism-narcissism can go eat rocks : )
https://www.drawright.com/bettys-books https://www.drawright.com/try-an-exercise https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/drawing-on-the-right-side-of-the-brain https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-alphabet-versus-the-goddess-the-conflict-between-word-and-image No ebook version for McLuhan's stunningly-important insight, so here's the paperback: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=marshall+mcluhan+medium+massage ditto for GEB: https://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/( for both the paperbacks, I read the original edition, decades ago, so I hope that you’re getting a version that hasn’t pruned-out any of the important stuff! GEB, the 2nd edition adds an explanatory preface, so that’s the only change, but for McLuhan’s, I’ve no idea what changed between editions )
Anyways, genociders gaslighting about what they’re doing, as Russia has been demonstrating, & Israel has been demonstrating, & as the US of A will shortly be more-completely-demonstrating, once Trump stops vascillating in his nature/unconscious-mind, & becomes like Putin & Netanyahu completely ( might take only weeks/months, now, for that transformation to complete ) is well-established and normal among our world’s left-hemisphere-polarized minds,
AND evidence showing what’s actuality, is abundant, including before-after video of Palestinian cities.
Reject evidence if you want, & pretend that no evidence counts unless it is … authorized by the gaslighters who’re doing the genociding, if that’s what “standard” you hold to be true:
I’ve encountered enough people who do that that now I know it’s a real thing…
I’ve also encountered the ones who insist that unless Israel authorizes Palestinian-deaths to be actual, they they’re only lies/delusions made-up to falsely-accuse Israel.
Sorry, but the photographic & video-evidence has been falsifying that gaslighting all along, & I’m not obedient to such evil-machiavellianism, anymore: age has benefits, including spine-produced-by-cynicism.
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Friend even the title has this as breaking news
I’m never going to say don’t wait for facts.
But the issue is that “the facts” can take years to assertain… Sometimes there’s a lot of damage that can be done.
It’s a delicate balance. People weaponize “wait for the facts” to just delay and dull the impact. Like most things, it’s not black and white.
I don’t think saying “most” is the best application here.
You completely misunderstood my point or have lead clogging your ears.
How many facts are enough facts? Mm? All the facts? Not a single fact missing, not a single rock left unturned before reaching a conclusion?
At what angle does the sun have to reach before you conclude it’s daytime? Do you need it to reach its peak, at noon, and feel the warmth on your skin? Does it need to completely dip below the horizon for you to concede a day has passed? Of course, at that point you’ll surely say, “Ah ha! See! The sun is no longer in the sky and so it is not daytime!”
It seems that you believe conclusions only arrive from deduction. That’s a cowardly way of rolling about in this world, since all your conclusions must be guaranteed rather than reasoned through logical inference.
“Sensible”—ha! Thinking by “sense” alone squanders the powers of reason wherein conclusions may be formed at the risk of not yet being fully grounded in immediate observation, which is how I can confidently infer—despite the thorough stone turning upon which you’d undoubtedly insist—that you are not a sex-haver.
I’d personally prefer at least some facts about the case in question. But the line is different for everyone
Not if Israel is not allowing in journalists. Every testimony against Israel is 100% true because they refuse to let people check.
I don’t think it works like that hah
Honest question: is that not just being complicit in their cover up? If they say nothing happened and nobody is allowed in to verify anything, then you say nothing has been verified yet so you’ll assume nothing has happened, it’s that not just doing exactly what they want? How are you supposed to prevent atrocities if all they have to do is deny and refuse outside observation for you to remain inactive?
I just don’t like to take things on faith. Some collaborating evidence is nice to have. It doesn’t mean it has to be irrefutable proof, the bar isn’t that high in this case imo.
It does.
Don’t hold your breath, facts are what they feed the media, why do you think something like the feddi verse has to exist…you should see the cess pool of mainstream social media at any giventime…you’d be surprised how this human race is still even here and didn’t wipe each other out
Agreed, or at least wait for Greta to tell us herself.
Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They “waited for the facts” which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There’s evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they’re committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
A bit of a dramatic leap, if you ask me. We’re not talking about some holocaust level stuff, we’re talking about a woman being abused while captive.
Zios literally said they were going to do this.
live streamed or recorded feed
I doubt you’ll find those… they’re not stupid.
Although I disagree, my point was more so a rhetorical one about the cynical/skeptical people chiming in to assert an absurdly high bar for people to clear in order for any concern about the current state of affairs in Israel to merit attention.
Almost certainly an AI generated response. opinion disregarded
Lol, you’re just too illiterate to want to read anything longer than two sentences long.
Lazy fuck.
Where is the outrage over the hostages Hamas has taken and have beaten and raped? If you’re outraged over unconfirmed reports of a person being treated this way, shouldn’t you also be outraged that Hamas does these things? Or is acceptable to treat people of certain ethnicities in this way?
I dont have words for how stupid your take is. Like I can’t think of a way to describe it you, because this is so intellectually shallow that it would take to long to even get you to understand that two things can be true at the same time.
Here’s a few words for their post that you can borrow: whataboutism, propaganda, tu quoque, bad faith.
Oh man I’m sure Israeli forces would never do any of that!
Wait no that’s apparently standard practices for the most moral army in the world
Alleged by the UN, which employed members of Hamas. Their whole approach to this conflict is basically the same as Trump’s approach to the Epstein files. Say anything and everything to avoid questions about their relationship with Hamas.
which employed members of Hamas
Alleged only by Israel
Their whole approach to this conflict is basically the same as Trump’s approach to the Epstein files. Say anything and everything to avoid questions about their relationship with Hamas.
Glad you acknowledged how Israel and it’s supporters act in this genocide.
Where’s your evidence of Hamas’s attrocities ??
From Hamas official statements. They hold civilians hostage which is a war crime. They’ve massacred villages which is genocide.
Do you deny Hamas committed genocide? Are you a genocide denier?
Armed resistance ain’t genocide homeboy. Israeli targetted civilian population, used white-phosphorous & counter-bombardment in a densely-populated area.
Hamas targetted military personnel.
Genocide denier.
Cool projection bro. Israelis are europeans & Israel is not real buddy. Also all of the Israeli population are military personel. While Palestine actually has a civilian population
Throw another war crime on the fire…
Can we just jump to tribunals yet?
Why are you still posting? Literally everyone is tired of you.
Everyone? LOL.
Everyone.
3 downvotes with +108 says otherwise.
I decided to demoderate Jordan in the communities we are in together, as I just am tired of all the drama. I hope he understands that.
Again, not “everyone”. More upvotes since then.
Your psychology is remarkable. It’s a shame you aren’t a top mod anymore.
If true, fuck Israel.
If not, then still fuck Israël.
I think there were already plenty of reasons before that, so the condition is unnecessary here.
edit: maybe you really meant if(true) so it’s fine.
Yeah, you’re right. This isn’t the only reason to “fuck Israel”. There are a lot of reasons. It’s lost the right to be a country.
It’s lost the right to be a country
That seems rather extreme. It’s never really been a thing to wipe out other warmongering, genocidal countries. Why them?
Indeed. Why them.
How about a man-made famine. How about supporting illegal settlements. How about cutting off any hope of an independent state.
If any country did what they are doing to Palestinians, we’d call it a holocaust.
They have lost the right to an exclusive ethnostate, just like the Afrikaners lost theirs. They should have every right to leave peacefully in a post apartheid democratic country with the same rights as their Palestinian fellow citizens.
Something very similar was seriously considered for Germany at the end of WW2. Basically, wipe out all industry of Germany, make it an agricultural nation, and skilled workers can migrate to other countries. That’s about as close as it gets to remove a country.
With that said, I believe Israel should be allowed to continue existing. But it should go trough a process like de-Nazification.
They might just “collapse” if the us stops Aid to the country.
That won’t happen.
well it was never thier country to begin , the allies forcibly extirpated the palestinians and gifted them a country they dint establish at all.
Breaking: terrorists behave like terrorists
Israel has apparently said this in response to the situation:
I don’t see how that’s consistent with them murdering civilians in Gaza.
Religion is an excuse for violence. Prove me wrong.
Religion is just another excuse for violence.
The NAZIs put the Roma People in the same category as Jews - so, to be exterminated as an ethnicity (“curiously” there are no Oscar Winning films about the plight of the Roma People, nor has Germany tried to make amends with them) - and yet they tend to be Christians, same as the NAZIs.
Ethno-Fascists regimes are dominated by Psychopaths and Sociopaths, and these people don’t care about Religion beyond it’s immense utility as a tool to manipulate other people.
There is an Oscar winning film that depicts (in part) the Romani inclusion in the Holocaust: Son of Saul (2015).. The lead actor is Romanian (which, I know is not the same) who plays a Jewish main character, but the film itself directly contains scenes of the Sinti and Roma inclusion in the camps.
There are also several other good films that depict the Romani aspect of the Holocaust—even one whose name quite literally the same point you (correctly) made: A People Uncounted (2011).
Some others:
- And the Violins Stopped Playing (1988)
- Korkoro (2009)
Thank you for that information: I wasn’t aware of those.
It’s a small list (considering its for the whole World) compared to the list of films about the plight of Jews during the Holocaust, and of course not a single one of them seems to have come out of Hollywood, but still, it’s better than nothing.
Maybe religions are an excuse for trying to achieve certain political goals. E.g. a Christian in the USA might say “we have to ban abortion because God says abortion is wrong”. And a settler Jew in Israel might say “we have to occupy the West Bank because God says that land belongs to Jews”. And a conservative Muslim might say “women should not be allowed to drive because God says so”.
Always has been.
Everything else is just busywork, but It’s always been about control and violence.
Ironically, Zionism is an ideology founded by atheist Jews
This is another pivotal moment. WE can speak out and make our elected officials (wherever we are in the world) KNOW that their political careers and their parties future depends upon their actions.
You do not govern their careers. They know it and they do not care
Only because we have abdicated our power. We can take it back.
Yes, but you and I have to organize in our communities where we live to make that happen.
You only ever had the illusion of power. Power resides with capital, and as long as capitalists are allowed sole ownership over the means of production, the people will only ever be able to expend titanic effort gathering enough power to gain a temporary reform.
Power resides with capital,
No it doesn’t, that’s just propaganda to make us feel weak and controlled. If capital was all it took, then the American Revolution and the French Revolution would have been won by those with the most money, along with many other insurgencies throughout history.
There are many, many examples where those with money lost their power to those without.
Both the American and French revolutions were bourgeoise capitalist revolutions… and neither led to significant gains of power for the people of the nations, just for the bourgeoisie who led the revolutions.
Not the point. The assertion was that power comes from capital, and as wealthy as the Founding Fathers were, their wealth was NOTHING compared to what the British or French governments held. Being outnumbered by an angry violent mob is far more powerful than money.
And I don’t think your statement holds with the French Revolution. The elites didn’t launch the revolution, they lost their heads to it.
My point is that while capital certainly helps, it is not the only factor in the success of a revolution. America has nearly unlimited resources, and yet we lost both Vietnam and Afghanistan to guerilla insurgencies. Nearly all successful revolutions consisted of the powerful corrupt being crushed by their victims.
And not all revolutions are about giving more power to the people, many are just about kicking out the corrupt criminals who are exploiting the nation. They don’t always expect that they will benefit with more power, they’re just happy that people aren’t being snatched off the streets, or tortured, or drafted into wars of economic opportunity, or starving, or the economy looted, etc. Most don’t expect to have a say in who the leaders are, they just feel like they have to be better than the current psychopaths.
That commenter said “we”, not “I”.
Are you saying that we—collectively—don’t bear any democratic responsibility for the people that we elect to office? Or are you cynically implying that the original poster has no power over the situation?
I don’t get the sense that you’re trying to attack that person, but what do you gain from public displays of cynicism to remind people that they are powerless?
If nothing then please reconsider. 🙁
Are you saying that we—collectively—don’t bear any democratic responsibility for the people that we elect to office?
This. Democracy is no more
You do not govern their careers. They know it and they do not care
Heads should roll. Quite literally. That is the only message they will understand.
Swedish gov should cut all ties for this terrorist state torturing their citizens.
They are too busy renting prisons in Estonia.
There is nothing wrong with the prisons in Estonia.
What is the point of your comment?
I’m sure there are nothing wrong with the prisons in El Salvador either…
Are you seriously comparing Estonia to El Salvador? Do you know anything about Estonia?
Comparatively, the Prisons in USA vs. El Salvador are likely equal.
Comparatively the prisons in Sweden vs. Estonia will be similar.
But you’re still sending prisoners off to a foreign land, might as well start calling you Britain.
Don’t bad mouth Estonia without reason. The comparison to El Salvador is insulting.
Estonia is not the target of comparison here.
PS: When you read „country A is renting prisons in country B”, your first reaction should be „what the fuck is going on in country A”, not „what’s wrong with prisons in country B”. The fact that it wasn’t tells a lot about your character.
Why do you tediously give so much of a fuck about Estonia in the first place?
I’m going to wait for a source I’ve heard of on that one.
Much better. Shitty conditions and some kind of flag parade were definitely included. The beating bit is less clear, and a bigger claim since actually producing deliberate, visible injuries would be a dangerous move on their part.
Not if they beat her with a bag of oranges
Ok, Bing, no one was asking you for advice.
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Bing Crosby, of White Christmas fame, was accused by one of his kids, for using a bag of oranges to discipline his kids.
I saw that earlier and it’s really shitty that they have her in a cell that is giving her rashes (probably from bedbugs) and that they’re doing some stupid thing with flags. She did nothing wrong.
Still not the same magnitude of what is described in the X “quote” which has zero sources and no way to verify their translation, for me anyway.
The X quote which has zero source that lines up with it:
“They [Israelis] dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,”
The same quote is also in the guardian article.
“They dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,” the Turkish activist ErsinÇelik, a participant in the Sumud flotilla, told Anadolu news agency
Given everything else Israel as done, do you honestly disbelieve it?
That’s not the point
Isn’t it though?
I neither believe it nor do I believe it to be false.
Given Lemmy’s proclivity for rage jerking, and the fact Israel isn’t stupid, I do. It’s not a matter of moral capability.
the fact Israel isn’t stupid
That’s not a fact.
Then why haven’t you guys outsmarted them yet?
Absolutely
Same, it’s a tweet of one guy, who might use this to cause an outrage. I’ll wait for Greta’s statement about this
Yep, I called that they would torture her, though that was 4 months back on a previous flotilla.
People downvoted that, with no explanation.
You got three downvotes and three upvotes. It’s not that big of deal.
Its funny that you think I personally care about what people generally think of my opinions.
Its terrifying that you don’t realize that anyone who downvoted that was confident the notion of me stating something that would probably eventually happen was… not likely, not the case, for some reason… but they were also too lazy to explain why they thought that.
You cared enough to write a paragraph that I’m not going to read.
You cared enough to link back to a previous comment from 4 months ago to show everyone and say “see see I called it!”
There have been a lot of libs coming over to lemmy ever since the crackdowns on reddit. Among… Others
Yeah, like most of the .world mods.
Anyone who volunteers to moderate stuff that isnt their own server is pretty sus imo. Even more so for those that do it with an iron fist
You response to this news is to complain about having been down voted? I can’t imagine why
Are you 12?
Once again the people who were right are mocked and the the people who were wrong just live without considering the future.
Bruh, reminds me of the stories I heard about ww2 when the imperial japanese army invaded my homeland China, they would force people to kneel and sing the japanese national anthem under the threat of execution if people didn’t comply. Its so evil disgusting villainy.
The irony (for anyone not clear on it or not catching it) is that the Israeli military forced the captives to wrap themselves in the flag of Israel—which prominently features the star of David—so that soldiers could take pictures of them that could be circulated to humiliate the activists.
Where else have we heard of people being forced to wear the star of David so that everyone could point and laugh and humiliated them?
Israeli soldiers are so eager to “tea bag” their enemies with their own flag that they’re unable to see the irony.
It’s a sad case of “hurt people hurt people”.
I think it’s a sad case of cunts being cunts
I mean no offense on the whole, but its quite ironic given the reports on how they treat Uyghur folks.
…Kinda like Israel’s irony here. And the US, and, you know, a whole lot of countries right now. Trauma tends to get passed down, it seems.
The most expected outcome of the expedition.
Exactly the kind of thing Israel would do. Very consistent and predictable of them.
Wow, Israel really is the only democracy in the Middle East!
With the most moral army in the world no less
Zionist gaslighting is second to none.
Israel to Nazis: When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master.
