I hate that we’ve reached a point in US history where a semi civil war is at risk of happening to stop government overreach from taking and killing whoever they want who gets in the way of their agenda to oppress as many people as possible and reduce everyone’s rights to dust.
Watched the video. This is a murder, plain and simple. Officer was never in any danger.
If something isn’t done they will justify future murders because of self defense. Just like what Jimbo and Ned form South Park do before they shoot the deer and they aren’t supposed to
“She’s coming right for us”
“We gotta thin out their numbers!”
It worked for Scuzzlebutt, it can work for ICE
Yeah, they just wanted to murder her. Trump and the GOP are likely to defend the murderer just like they defended all the others.
They of course did.
unfortunately i think she drove close enough to him that he will get off with self defence
sucks i know
You mean he walked close enough to her car as she was trying to get away?
“close enough”
Dude deliberately placed himself in that position to justify use of force.
E: he wanted to kill someone. IMO another one of those “frustrated” raging right wingnuts that always resorts immediately to threats and violence when someone doesn’t do what they want, especially if it’s libtards, women, trans, minorities (the “usual suspects”, I’m sure). Nobody whips out a gun and pulls the trigger that fast on an unarmed person unless they are fundamentally primed and willing.
I haven’t seen anyone mention that her attention was divided. Two agents were approaching, yelling at her, one grabs at the door handle while screaming “get the fuck out of the car”.
Meanwhile the murderer slowly made his way around the front of the vehicle, out of her line of sight. When she panicked and tried to flee, he saw his moment.
The panicked flight attempt after the other agent told her to get out of the vehicle is what will see the murderer walk free.
To me it looks like the murderer used careful timing to set the whole thing up, confident his leaders would back him up.
He already had his gun drawn and was about to shoot. He was just looking for a better angle. If the other guy didn’t kill her, he would have.
Even if it was clear as day, officer walked up to someone sitting on a bench and popped them in the head, they’d get off - who is going to prosecute, Pam Barbie? State can’t prosecute, technically. Tho they should anyway.
Crispus Attucks
The National Guard will be used to remove ICE right? Right?
Yeah! Come on Governor, you’re not running for reelection, do the right thing and force them out!
“The police are not here to prevent disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder.” -Richard J Daley right before the police beat the shit out of everybody and ‘shoot to kill’ was ordered.
Why hasn’t the city arrested the shooter on suspicion of murder?
Because of shit like this
That case and Harlow v Fitzgerald both need to be overturned. The decisions are illegal as the law was written and passed, not illegally amended.
Fascism
Because the federal government intentionally paid the murderer.
I can’t wait until the National Guard gets Federalized. That’s more ICE agents on the street.
"In a post on X earlier in the morning, Walz asked Minnesotans to remain calm and said his team is working to gather information on the shooting.
Walz held a news conference later Wednesday afternoon with Minnesota DPS Commissioner Bob Jacobson, announcing he had placed the Minnesota National Guard on standby, saying, “soldiers are prepared to be deployed if necessary.”
I thought Walz was everybody’s friend? This doesn’t seem very supportive of his former constituents.
He’s worried about riots and looting.
but not gaining justice for his constituents.
-and they wonder why people riot and loot.
More specifically, he’s worried about looking bad if there are riots and looting. Because in 2020 after George Floyd’s murder, Walz caught a lot of flak about not responding quickly enough to the Minneapolis police station burning to the ground.
I don’t even care anymore. No one is going to stand up to Trump. We lose. The billionaires and their dogs win.
🎵Fuuuuck this defeatist shiiit 🎶
Is it defeatist to accurately asses the situation of those with power?
Like sure it should be “no one in a position of government is going to do anything to push back or defend the peasants” but thats wordy and the peasants will occasionally shoot people but they just get stomped on harder and used as an excuse to feed us less and shoot us more often.
It is just wordy.No, that’s just astroturfing
I dont think you know the definition of astroturfing.
I generally prefer it over “trolling” although in this case it might be more appropriate. What I mean is spreading negative sentiment with the goal of subverting something.
Spreading defeatism is enabling the oppression that you, correctly, describe as an objective reality
Should have gone with trolling. It think internet wise it really means to trigger a response from others and they did accomplish that.
As I have said elsewhere, I’m not above a good wail now and again and won’t fault others for crying out. Crying doesnt enable an abuser. They abuse whether or not you do. Its what you do after you cried it out that matters.
Sure typing on Lemmy makes a world of difference. Thank you for your service.
It does man. Making angry comments on twitter or instagram or whatever is pointless at best and feeding the machine at worst, but random, internet-based, direct human-to-human communication is valuable and beautiful and powerful.
If you’re someone who is thousands of kilometers away from the US but has their shitty late stage capitalist fingers in every corner of their life, what else can you do? I try to wield this weapon with love and hope you can find a better future, not hate because “you’re bad”. Your government is bad, it’s fucking shit. You’re just a person trying to do its human thing. I’ll take the “russian bot!!1!” accusations and try to explain that what makes me a dirty radical extremist leftist is that I just want you and everyone else to be happy, and do the human thing the way you like.
(I’m using the second person but none of this is directed at you OP. Just to Americans reading this)
Can you sing a song with your plan of action, or are you going to continue to post meaningless comments online about how mad you are?
Are you out on a mission to say “Look, no one has a plan, see?” ?
Yes. No one has a plan. We’re fucked. You are fucked. What are you going to do?
Unless and until you fail to stop the ghouls you have for a government from starting shit in Europe, the greatest influence I can have is talking to you. But stating “no one has a plan” is just objectively false. And in any case, you don’t even really need one. It’s ok to just try to make things right, step by step.
^ Stochastic bait. Hold the line, people. Trump is extremely desperate and is on track to losing a huge chunk of power this year in midterms.
Register. Primary in the best Dems you can. Then Vote Dem in the General Elections. Ignore fools like this throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery.
We’ll talk on the other side of midterms.
dems had my vote in 2024. Theyll get one more vote from the in 2026. If they cant steer the country back when tbey knew fascism was on the line and did absolutely nothing in 2024, I am abstaining from voting blue (or red but never voted red) ever again. Voting straight socialist if I can or not at all going forward if dems fuck up their primary wins.
Fuck incompetency in the face of fascism.
lol you’re holding the line by waiting for Democrats to save you in the midterms? THIS is why we’re fucked.
By all means, tell me your better plan – and by the way – you first.
Lots of tough talk from those throwing peanuts form the peanut gallery, I tell you h’wat lol.
Honestly, to me this is the trolling attitude, not “waiting to vote will not save you”.
Saying “No, we are having elections whether you want it or not” very well might though.
Can we stop thinking everyone that criticized something needs to have a complete plan on how to make it better?
Film critics can will make bad movies, authors dont make good politicians and musicians bad therapists.
Someone can speak aloud the truth and be critical and not have a plan. That is what the collective is for.
Fuck. Stop asking for superman.Film critics can throw peanuts from the peanut gallery but nobody actually cares what they think if they don’t show they can make something better or even elucidate how to improve on the current script.
I’m not saying they can’t make such comments; but as a call to action? In terms of obvious suggestive stochastic rhetoric? That’s Chamberlain talk. Plain and simple.
In a way, it’s like they’re preaching to a choir of fellow critics who all agree the film sucks. But they don’t offer any substantive way to improve it. Instead they just cry and complain to other film critics to find a way to make it better, or just keep yelling at the director to do something. Nobody likes these people.
That is your requirements and not the rest of ours. I have watched critics not add anything, we are empathetic creatures, sometimes we want to know how others feel, not just what they think.
I am honestly fine with people crying about it being bad and preaching to the choir cause it makes for a more full sounding song.
I dont require everyone that says anything to always be productive and I would ask you to ask yourself why you think that is normal to require from everyone else.
Nope, not me. I am not fine with falsely equating film critics analyzing a film already completed to stochastic antagonists prodding what has yet to come.
Besides, like I said even if we entertain this false analogy, in a way, it’s like they’re preaching to a choir of fellow critics who all agree the film sucks. But they don’t offer any substantive way to improve it. Instead they just cry and complain to other film critics to find a way to make it better, or just keep yelling at the director to do something. Nobody likes these people.
I can’t start a revolution by myself, I’ll be arrested and you’ll be the first to condemn me and say “we need to peacefully resolve this by voting for Democrats in the next election!”
It’s not “tough talk”, I said nothing tough. But there is no willingness to do what it takes, it’s very obvious what it takes, just look at history and see how people defeat fascists, there’s only one way it ever works, and it’s never by voting to the complicit second in power political party.
The reason we’re fucked is because people express voting in the midterms as their hope, instead of signaling to each other that they’re willing to do what it takes. But that’s uncomfortable and cuts into your apple tv time or whatever you waste your evenings on.
As far as me, couldn’t help you if I wanted. I’m not in the US, I’m just watching the empire collapse. I’d prefer Americans do something positive with their country and turn it into a force for good, but collapsing is still a net positive for the world. I saw we are fucked because my country’s currency is stupidly still pegged to the USD, and when that crashes it’ll fuck with our economy too.
But hey, at least you shot back at me and lol’ed and dismissed me as throwing peanuts, you’re doing your part! Keep worshipping complicit genocidal Democrats and hoping they save you.
I’m not in the US
Ah, and ladies & gentlemen — there it is. The convenient cop-out. Good friend, for your country pegged to the USD, you are but a mere plane-ticket away! (cue next excuse)
But hey, keep throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery and pretend you know better; though best not to say “we” if you’re not going to be in the fight, yeah buddy? ;)
Go to sleep, wedge-driving tankies.
You’re saying I should book a flight to start a revolution in your country on your behalf because my country that’s been ravaged by American imperialism pegged its currency to the petrodollar?
Okay, deal, I’ll join. I’ll be your Che, but you have to be Fidel first.
I know it’s hard for you Americans to think of the rest of the world as even human, but we’re affected by your empire and we are in this shit together. But you’re on the front lines, and you need to fight instead of hiding behind complicit neo-liberals who use you as rhetoric to serve the same fascist capitalist class. We are fucked because of your inaction and apathy.
Read some non colonial history books.
By all means, please proceed with throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery from far away, and I’ll continue calling out one’s Chamberlain-like excuses.
Silly wedge-driving tankies.
To those viewing be aware of users like this who have an expressed intent to fan stochastic flames and also wedge-drive. Obvious Russian tactics (and no, need not originate from there but certainly possible).
I always vote, down to the lowest of local elections. I’ve never missed any and will always remain active.
But I do disagree with you. If you know your broad human history, you should know that there’s nothing that indicates that we’re guaranteed a solution. You seem to not realize that there very well may not be a good solution at all. You have to be more realistic.
Keep voting of course. will too. But overall I think we’re probably fucked.
In my opinion this is a very different sentiment than what was expressed above, and I am largely in agreement with you.
There might not be a better plan, if that’s a a clearer way to say it.
(I don’t mean that sarcastically, no tone of voice on the internet).
What about that broader human history? Not the first time someone has said “I rule forever now” and the population said “the fuck you aren’t”. Make sure that history is not “The people of X could do nothing against the evil power of dictator Y, until the US swooped in and saved everyone”
The fuck do you mean hold the line? No one is holding the line. It’s being pushed back further and further every day and hardly anyone is doing anything, let alone “holding the line”.
Of course people are giving up, no one is doing anything.
The time to do something was November 5th, 2024 and the months preceding in GOTV. The current time is to reach out to every friend, acquaintance, co-worker, or maga person you know in your actual community and get offline. The next time to do something is voting for better Democratic candidates in the primaries. Throughout will be more No Kings protests which at every interval has helped chip away Trump’s support. The next time will be the midterms where the first real power can be taken back.
Don’t be stupid. Be smart. This incident, tragic though it is, is beneficial to the opposition the way CK was to them.
Do NOT give them a Reichstag fire excuse they’re trying so hard to bait out. Even the Minneapolis Mayor said this.
And if you criticize this shit, then I am ALL. Fucking. Ears on what your better alternative is, and why you’re going to lead it by example.
Trump is all ready floating canceling elections…
Then we’ll cross that bridge when it happens. Until then, we must assume they’re a go. Do not submit to apathy or defeatism.
Lots of trolls on here want exactly that.
We crossed that bridge back in November 2024. Democracy is already dead. You have hope and that’s great, but it’s like having hope that you’ll get a touchdown and win after the game is already over and fans went home.
No, bridge was not quite crossed; people were ignorant. That’s a different story than rigged.
Fantasizing, fetischizing, about Viva la Revolucion isn’t going to cut it either.
The latter is why I feel so hopeless, I guess. I feel like this site and reddit both are just loud angry people with their fists in the air. I appreciate the emotion, but nothing we do here or elsewhere seems to matter. I haven’t “given up”, because I’m still going to vote and hold my opinions, but I can’t do anything that will change these happenings. I still take care of my immediate community as best I can. I just have to go live my life off the internet and hope it all works out.
I appreciate the clarification and this helped me better understand your position. As one Strat player to another, I can relate. I have family to care for and all I do every day is think about the most viable ways I can contribute to the cause in improving my children’s future.
I’ll say it again.
Fuck all the way off with your defeatism.
Grow up.
Grow a spine.
Trump is already a floating turd. The shit he says should make you more angry, not more apathetic.
Take your weak-ass bullshit attitude somewhere else.
Oh, because you have ideas as to what to do?
Start getting organized and take this to the street. Start protesting peacefully but disruptively and then (and this is the uncomfortable part) when they meet you with violence, answer with violence.
I have kids. I’m not risking any sort of extra attention or violence.
It breaks my heart too, but doing nothing will… do nothing to stop the violence that’s already all around you. From the bottom of my heart, I hope your kids can live in a better version of the USA.
If you have only giving up in your head that’s on you. Do it silently and fuck off
You seemed to have gotten angry and lashed out at me instead of answering my question.
The yes is implied. Don’t project your helplessness on others, it’s not helpful.
EDIT: I was hangry, I regret being this snarky.
I’d love to hear your plan.
I’m not going to be the European preaching what to do, but I’m still going to give you an honest answer.
Read books. If you have always heard about Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 but never read them or did so when you were a teen, now is a good time. Even if you’re not a reader, I guarantee you’ll go through them in a week.
Talk to people. Your neighbors, colleagues, people you meet at protests and demonstrations. Normalize speaking out
But most importantly and very simply, don’t give up. Learned helplessness (google the term) is being weaponized against you to keep you apathetic and discouraged. Keep hope and love - for your country, your family, yourself - alive.
The details on what practical steps to take are all in there.
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Saw this posted somewhere. Not my words, but I and many Americans I know agree with this:
"To everyone outside the US who’s angry at Americans right now, especially those of us who hate Trump and feel trapped: Please understand this. We do not elect our president the way you think we do. Millions of us voted against him. Millions of us are terrified of the damage being done. We are not cheering this on. We are living inside it. If you’re wondering why we don’t just “revolt like the French” or “fix it” here is the reality of being an American right now:
Our system is rigid, slow, and stacked in ways that make “just revolt” a fantasy. We don’t have a culture where mass strikes shut the country down overnight. We don’t have a centralized government you can pressure in one city. We have fifty states, militarized policing, surveillance, debt, and jobs tied to health insurance. For many people, losing a job for protesting means losing healthcare and housing.
France is smaller than Texas. Organizing a “national” revolt across 3.8 million square miles (9.8 million square km) and 330 million people isn’t just difficult, it’s logistically close to impossible. That doesn’t mean we’re complacent. It means we’re constrained. Anger at US power is fair. Fear of US decisions is fair. But blaming every American, especially those who are fighting, exhausted, and scared alongside you, misses the mark.
We’re not watching this from the sidelines. We’re stuck in the same burning house. Just closer to the fire."
Edit: I believe credit goes to Jason Gervase, ASL Pinnacle
Just to add on for the people in the back:
protesting means losing healthcare and housing
Unlike in a sane country, this can be damn close to a death sentence. 11% of Americans have diabetes and can just straight up die when they lose access to insulin. Hospitals do not give any service beyond emergency care if you’re uninsured, God forbid you need something like regular dialysis. Homeless services are barely existent and are stretched to the limit already; unhoused people have something like a 3.5x mortality rate. If you spiral and lose your housing you’re statistically taking 20 years off of your life.
And of course some people are still taking that risk. I hope people in a safer position read this as a call to action. If you have stable housing, good health and have transportation to a state capital you’re in a better situation to act than the majority of Americans.
Heck, if you’re managing to live paycheck to paycheck without saddling up on CC debt, then you’re doing better than 50% of the people here.
Seems to me that people in the US should be starting a campaign to convince people not to submit federal taxes this year. What are the 100k or so IRS agents going to do when 170m people don’t pay?
That’s another thing that people don’t realize. Taxes are usually automatically deducted from a person’s paycheck and paid to the state and fed by the employer.
Most people’s taxes for 2025 are already paid.
One would have to get their employer to not do the deductions (something a lot of “sovereign citizens” try) and often it’s not possible to do.
Keep telling yourself this. Out of 330m, there should easily be multiple million people protesting every week.
That’s a lot of words to say we’re divided.
Cool story bro
