The health insurance plans will just raise their prices by another $2000
It’s one healthcare, Michael. What could it cost? $2000?
Health insurance premiums are going to cost $28000 from now on.
Circuses are cheap, bread is expensive
Not in America, you just add more sugar to make it cheap
I feel like there should still be 13 stripes
It’s the 9 original colonies that didn’t vote for Trump in 2024.
Edit: I made that up
(the white stripes also count)
Duum dudum dum dum duuuum duum
Same. I like the image, but the last two red stripes are inaccurate, and superfluous. We didn’t have 17 or 18 colonies, we had 13.
You didn’t have any colonies, the British did.
My Great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, who owned and sold 2/3 of Virginia at the time might disagree.
I want a refund
Trump is a gold spoon fed moron who’s entirely disconnected from reality. That mofo talked about groceries like it’s an afternoon club or some shit. He probably never ever even stepped into a supermarket and bought a fucking loaf of bread and something else himself. It’s why he fucking has no idea how healthcare even works in America, when he had COVID they just pumped shit into him to keep his zombie body alive and he didn’t even twitch even the slightest for how much that would cost. Meanwhile rest of people avoid calling an ambulance because that will cost so much it can bankrupt them. Tell me how that isn’t absolutely fucked.
I live in Slovenia (Europe) and while our healthcare system isn’t perfect either, not once I worried that my medical condition would set me back financially for 5 or 10 years. It just doesn’t cross our minds, like at all ever. You just get in touch with doctors and they sort it out based on severity. If it’s something non critical you might wait few weeks or months if it’s something trivial or cosmetic, but if it’s something urgent they’ll send you to ER immediately and do most complex procedures asap. So it’s not just “you need to wait for months because it’s “free” healthcare”. It is prioritized and it’s perfectly understandable and logical.
The entire argument about universal healthcare taking months to see a doctor is doubly trash because it took me that long to see a doctor in the US anyways. I had to plan my general practitioner visits out 3-4 months in advance and I was on meds that needed represcribed every three months so some months I simply missed it because how long the waits were
Like all arguments in dumb asshole America, we can’t have a real argument where the basic concept of triage exists.
Absolutely unrelated, but you mentioned being from Slovenia and it reminds me of a kid I work with (in the US.) When he was 4, I showed him a map of the world. Out of all the places on it, he zeroed in on Slovenia and asked, “What’s that?” I told him, “That’s Slovenia.” Something about your country caught his attention, I can’t explain it.
The kid’s an information sponge. Ever since then, when I mention things about the rest of the world (countries, flags, time zones, etc.) he becomes curious about Slovenia.
So yeah, your country has a special place in a random little boy’s heart. I just wanted to share that.
I hope someone gives that kid some potica. It’s an amazing Slovenian bread made by spreading a nut paste mixture over a large piece of dough which is then rolled up and baked. My Dad is half Slovenian so I grew up eating potica every Christmas.
He might be a sleeper Slovenian agent and he gets activated by the keyword hehe XD
Adding $660,000,000,000 to the federal deficit annually and still not making a dent in people’s healthcare costs?
A single-payer universal healthcare system would be cheaper, as almost every other country’s systems show.
The real trick is to get private equity and for-profit corporations out of healthcare. All they do is drive up costs while lowering outcomes.
Healthcare should be a public service, funded by the government.
Yeah, the US actually pays more PUBLIC funds per person than most other nations. Then the private cost on top - all for worse health outcomes.
We need more Luigis just from a financial perspective.
as almost every other country’s systems show
You can take out the “almost” here. Literally every other country on Earth pays half or less per capita than what we pay in the US, and this has been the case for decades.
UNH, CVS, ELV and CI share holders disagree with you and thanks to the SCOTUS Citizen United decision they have to money and the legal framework to legally bribe politicians. I’ll suggest to invest in those companies rather than flight them.
I’m not contributing to evil companies. “If you can’t beat them, join them” does not apply when they’re responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and putting millions of people in poverty.
People willing to do anything to get rich is precisely the problem in this country, and I’m not going to be a part of it.
You’re right about Citizens United, though. It should be revoked.
Why does the health insurance industry even exist?
That’s a question Americans are prevented from having because it would offend Ayn Rand or something.
Because “value” must be created and extracted, doesn’t matter if that means people can’t afford insulin
People are very bad at setting aside small amounts of money to save for large purchases. Especially when that purchase is “one day I might get real sick”. That is insurance.
But that is also taxes, so we should just pay those and get healthcare for free.
It’s also hard to put away like - well I had $330k of surgeries for a spontaneous pneumothorax about 15 years ago - most people will definitely not experience that. I was in my 20s. Who could save that much by then?
So yeah everyone else in the state paid a little more to cover my bills. By the same token, when God gives a 6yo leukemia (his ways are mysterious lol) I pay a little more to cover her treatment. And by the same token, when someone is lucky enough not to be chosen by God for either of these experiences (hallowed be thy name) then he pays a little more for both of us, which is how he buys a society where he doesn’t have to watch a bunch of people die because God was having fun that day.
So really let’s put the blame where it’s due here, and acknowledge that mankind attempts to introduce fairness into a system where the Lord (worship him lest you burn) is playing fast and loose with His children He loves so much.
Insurance isn’t the same as savings though. Insurance is just a bet. The insurance company basically says “Give me $5000 this year and I will cover your health care costs if you ever accrue any this year otherwise I keep the money.” The insurance company just bets that most of their clients won’t put in any claims.
Not to mention most people can never save enough money to cover the cost of a massive healthcare bill if they get into an accident or get cancer.
Oh wow! In switzerland there is immense political pressure beause health insurance is very expensive.
I pay 6300 per year.
I’ve got a “Cadillac” plan in Spain, which for a family of 4 is about 5K a year. No copays or anything. Occasionally I’ll have a prescription which will cost €20, and the farmacist will get angry on my behalf.
In the US, we were paying $25,000 (pretax) in premiums for a meh plan with copays at every turn.
Is that all inclusive, or do you pay additional costs when things happen?
The distinction here is important- $26K is premiums which is money that goes to the insurance companies. You will end up paying more than that with co-pays, deductibles, etc.
So this is including the deductibles. Ater that there still is 10% in co-pay. But that is really not that much.
Usually all inclusive from what Ive heard from others. Problem is wait times. But if it’s not life threating, you’re waiting anyways in the US. United States healthcare is dominated by insurance lobbyist. Fear mongering Republicans keep the system up.
Typical NYC slumlord style: “Free first months rent.”
I looked at an apartment once which was the upstairs of a house. Dogs had eaten large chunks out of the bedroom doors and there were two giant piles of dog shit left in the kitchen. The owner was enormous and unable to climb stairs so she hadn’t seen the state of the place after the previous tenants had moved out. After I told her what the situation was, she said if I cleaned it up myself she would knock off $200 … from the security deposit. Get fucked.
His daddy was exactly that. A slumlord. Rotten apple from a rotten tree
Even if the government gives us $20,000 to buy health insurance, premiums will likely increase by $20,000.
Now now, why would you only increase it by the amount the government will give you, you clearly dont have what it takes to be a CEO. If everyone would get 20k. Increase the price to 25k
Just more money being pumped straight into the pockets of the insurance company shareholders.
it’s like putting bandages over the real issues: student loan forgiveness (instead of lowering tuition), homeless shelters (instead of rent control), food stamps (instead of a living wage), now it’s a healthcare subsidy (instead of universal healthcare).
all these things are good, but could be better
Have you noticed how they all result in letting the rich class extract more money from the poor?
holy shit is it really 26000?? that’s more than what i pay in tax every year in europe. (granted i am poor but)
the US already spends more public funds in healthcare per capita than every country with free healthcare.
on top of that, we pay a shit ton extra for insurance, then a shit ton more in copays/deductibles, plus a shit ton more because something isn’t included…
you could lower taxes by thousands and give everyone free healthcare.
the US healthcare is nothing but a massive scam. the kind where the perpetators kill tens of thousands per year and rake in endless money. there’s no justification besides rich people like being rich, even if it means killing thousands of innocents. in any civilized world those executives should be tortured to death.
You guys need a lot more Italian plumbers…
why? they didn’t do anything, Luigi was with me that day
It was like 500-600 a month for two people a decade ago but the insurance plans on the exchange have gone up in price about a 100 monthly, every year. But they also dissappear after getting too high, so there are increasingly fewer plans from new or small providers. This year it’s 1200 monthly. These plans were actually quite good though compared to regular plans people get from their employer, with 0 copay and 0 deductible. For low income people on the exchange it cost them 0-100$ monthly for them, and the subsidies covered the entire plan cost up to around 1000$ a month. So last year you could have excellent health coverage for 50 dollars a month, but no longer.
The big problem of course was that without the universal mandate, the whole obamacare plan didn’t really work long term because the cost kept going up without any of the parts to keep that price down because of the Supreme court.
these plans were actually quite good though compared to regular plans people get from their employer, with 0 copay and 0 deductible
I’m super skeptical of the 0 deductible plans. I’ve only ever seen them offered in situations where the plans can be expected to be not-great, both on the marketplace for both '25 and '26 (I’d never used the insurance marketplace before last year) and when working at a tiny company with less than 10 employees. I’m not sure how they work but given that I assume they end up costing more than plans with a deductible
Tbh this is also shocking to me as an American. I am not sure if this is only for marketplace plans or a specific kind or what
The marketplace just had their subsidies cut. Its so funny its like “here’s less than 1/3 back what we cut to line our pockets, you filthy animals, PS, fuck off and die, signed Donald Pedophile Trump.”
The insult on top of that injury is that the penalties for being uninsured weren’t removed.
“We’ll do socialism, but we’ll do it just a little bit, not enough to matter to any single human being’s actual needs, but at least we broke our ultraconservative ideals for no good reason I guess?”
confused_jackie_chan_meme.jpg
For real, if they just took that budget and applied it as a single payer healthcare system, it would be orders of magnitude more effective.
It’s absolutely crazy to me that you guys have the most expensive healthcare system in the world (per capita) and at the same time one of the worst compared to other sufficently develloped nations.
‘It’s really expensive, but at least it’s awful’ should be the new motto, print it on the money under e pluribus anus
He just wants another excuse to send individuals checks with his name on it. Could be a good opportunity to virtue signal as well if the plan winds up being exclusionary toward singles or other groups.
Trump used to support a Canadian-style, single-payer health care plan. However, the closer he got to the presidency, the more he backed away from that. Funny how that works.
