Elon Musk loves to speak confidently about shit he knows nothing about. This leads to him being a confident speaker on every topic… I just wish we could figure out a way to shut him up.
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The rockets are fine. SpaceX has a team specifically designed to distract Musk and keep him away from the actual work on the rockets. Tesla didn’t have that though. That’s how we ended up with that lame presentation with the weird “S3XY” acromin. That was really the point I realized that he was just an idiot frat boy with too much money. He really is his own worst enemy.
What’s your source on the spacex team distracting him? I can’t find anything supporting that. I do find some interviews from anonymous employees saying it’s calmer now that he’s so focused on twitter.
And yet they managed to obliterate a poorly-specced launchpad, causing massive damage to a nearby town and wreaking havoc on the local ecosystem.
I can’t remember NASA ever doing that.
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Maybe I’m out of the loop - what’s he been saying about software?
One example that stuck with me is that he said some shit along the lines of 80% of Twitter’s microservices being superfluous and he’ll be shutting them off.
Yes, the dev teams just spent 4/5 of their time building shit no one asked for. It just annoys me so much, because anyone with basic reasoning should be able to work out that this cannot possibly be the case, but it’s easy to give it the benefit of the doubt.
Well, except that many, many Twitter outages followed.
Well, except that many, many Twitter outages followed.
Yeah. As a software dev, it was pretty awkward explaining this to colleagues who rely on Twitter/X.
“It sounds like you think Twitter is a software company and that Elon is utterly unqualified to run a software company. That can’t possibly be true, right?”
…Then we end up doing the “Concerned Padme” meme…
When he took over twitter there was a bunch of stuff he was spouting about things like Twitter’s stack needing a full rewrite and such. Going so far as to fire the engineer that challenged him on it during a live spaces thing if I recall correctly.
Ah yes I remember that. I thought maybe there was something new he was going on about specifically.
He would have to know what he’s talking about to be specific.
You would think so… And yet months of instability on a previously rock solid platform says he did not.
He asked employees to print out their code so he could review it.
He also seems to have the idea that the best developer is the one who produces the most code. That shows a pretty major lack of understanding of how software development works. Sometimes the best day is when you produce negative amounts of code.
This post’s image man
It’s not that hard™
Oh. This post’s image has him talking types in January and the “obligatory” image above has someone saying he’s been talking software in December, so I thought maybe Musk has been spewing about software for a few weeks or something.
December from '22 not '23. The image was from a few months after he took over twitter and was still going on about that stuff and how it was doing all these useless things that needed to be removed or rewritten. I just remembered another one about how he was going on about a single request to twitter causing thousands of RPCs or something? I think that’s not really unheard of in a microservices infrastructure and it’s not like they’d be synchronous. There’s probably tons of calls that go to things like tracking, analytics, or cross DC sharing I would imagine for such a large and high volume service like twitter.
Okay gotcha. Yeah I just thought I missed a new headline or something.
Twitter is a software, he’s been saying stupid stuff about how it works for the last year+
Okay gotcha. Thought maybe there was a headline I missed.
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Well, not spreading his posts or not reacting to things he says is probably the best way.
If reacting to something always makes it more likely to occur, you have just made reacting to things Elon Musk says more likely to occur.
The irony isn’t lost on me, but it’s not always. It’s just a good way to handle attention seeking people that you don’t want to seek attention anymore.
Well, looking at ChatGPT and other LLMs, they also lie confidently. Maybe there is a correlation and Elon is just a poor AI.
He doesn’t notice he’s the Duning-Kruger effect personified.
Oh, thanks for pointing that out.
I was formulating an angry rebuttal in my head, then saw your comment and realised I hadn’t noticed the username. Of course it’s Musk. That’s rebuttal enough.
Yes the compiler/interpreter can figure it out on the fly, that’s what we mean by untyped languages. And as stated both have their merits and their faults.
Elon doesn’t know what the words mean and just chimes in with his AI future BS.
And as stated both have their merits and their faults.
Yes! Just because a compiler could guess the type doesn’t mean it should. Elon didn’t understand the meme at all.
Yes the compiler/interpreter can figure it out on the fly, that’s what we mean by untyped languages.
Are there untyped languages? You probably meant ‘dynamically typed languages’.
But even statically typed languages can figure out most types for you from the context - it’s called ‘type inference’.
Most of my code is untyped. First I type it, then I realize it’s all wrong and use backspace to untype it.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. Congrats. Lol
Well that would depend on the definition and what you exactly mean by untyped.
The untyped part is usually referring to the way the programmer interacts with the language, for example not setting a type for variables and parameters. But then there is the question of is the programmer ever allowed to explicitly set the type. And further more, if the programmer explicitly set the type, does this mean the type can’t change at a later point? And another question could be, can the programmer check or enforce what type a variable or parameter is? And the question, if there is only one type of data in the language, would that be a typed or untyped language? But I would consider these to be details and all fall under the untyped umbrella, with untyped just meaning not-typed.
Then there’s the question of the technical implementation of the language. Defining a language is one thing, actually having it run on a real system is another. Usually technical systems at some point require explicit types. Something somewhere needs instructions on how to handle the data and this usually leads to some kind of typing instructions being added along with the data. But depending on how many abstraction layers there are, this can soon become a very pedantic discussion. I feel what matters is the design, definition and intend of a language. The actual technical implementation isn’t what matters in my opinion.
I feel like there are so many programming languages and technical systems at this point, every variation and exception exists. And if you can think of one that doesn’t exist, expect a follow up comment of somebody pointing out it does exist after all, or them having started a project to make it exist in the near future.
We’re also at the point where traditionally untyped languages can be strictly typed (strict typescript), and typed languages can be weakly typed (Java’s var)
Would you say OCaml or any ml family language would be untyped since they have type inference?
From what I know about those I would consider those to be typed languages. Even if the programmer doesn’t explicitly assign the types, he needs to be aware of them and take into account what type something will be. I am familiar with F# and it’s strongly typed for example.
VBA you can declare everything as variant.
Is that untyped?
assembly
Even in untyped can’t you explicitly set your type either with declarations or wrapping the value in quotes for a string or something?
Depends on the language. There is no explicit typing in JavaScript, for example. That’s why Typescript was invented.
Not always.
Ah, that could be problematic
Untyped as in written? Or is this programming term I’m not familiar with?
Programming term. Variables in programming languages can hold different types of data, such as whole numbers, floating point numbers or strings of characters (“text”). Untyped languages figure out on the fly what can and cannot be done to the content of a variable, while typed languages strictly keep track of the type of content (not the value) to catch bugs and improve performance, for example.
Ah! Thank you for the explanation. That makes much more sense now.
Very concise explanation!
Any untyped languages that don’t care what is in the variable, assumes you know what your doing, and YOLOs it?
Np necessarily. Usually errors are detected at runtime and reported as such. So you will see where your program failed, but it usually crashes nonetjeless. Keep in mind that crashes are usually better than continuing some undefined behavior.
By typed they mean declairing a type for your variables.
In some languages, variables needs to be told what kind of data they can hold. That’s it’s type. For instance a number without decimals would be an integer type. While text might be a string type or a list of character types.
Other languages don’t require types and sometimes don’t even support them. They will just infer the type from the data that’s in the variable.
If you see Elon Musk please explain this to him.
If you see Elon Musk please explain this to him.
I’m an idiot, and I still don’t think I could dumb it down to his level.
It’s actually hieroglyphics.
Might be able to call assembly untyped. Everything beyond that I think would be called either statically or dynamically typed, maybe weakly typed?
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Fuck me, that’s good. I noticed the X after my first laugh attack and had a second one. Fuck you dude, my ribs hurt.
Remember when people were calling this dummy the “real life Tony Stark”? Lol.
I was one of those. In my defense, 2012-2015(ish) he really was doing cool things. Tesla and Space X were super innovative and brought optimism. Then a time traveler stepped on a bug, the whole Thailand pedophile fiasco happened and it went downhill from there. Now we have yokes, dumb turn signals and the whole cybertruck, not to mention removing ultrasound sensors to save a few cents and the whole Twitter debacle. At least space X is still somehow unfucked?
In case it helps… I’m sorry.
he really was doing cool things.
He was buying cool things
I think the problem was he started to believe his own hype that he was a super-genius that knew everything about everything.
I mean I don’t know the nitty gritty details of building an electric car or building rockets. But neither does Elon Musk. Which would be fine except that he tries to talk about these things like he does understand all of the details. Nobody knows everything about everything, it’s only an idiot that tries to act like he does.
But then he tries talking like he’s an expert in a field I am familiar with and it’s like… there’s points people could make on this subject, but that’s not one of them.
Same. Can’t judge about auto industry or rocket science, but I know a thing or two about software. And… Yeah, everything he’s said about Twitter internals (and sw dev in general) is brain dead.
What you mean? He is!
The netflix adaptation… Lmao
If it’s a Netflix adaptation, then wouldn’t it be an overly drawn out true crime documentary?
We could always start a theory that Elon is the Zodiac Killer. He probably doesn’t deserve that level of notoriety, but it would make for an overly drawn out crime documentary. Just bring in some “experts” off of Ancient Aliens, along with the phrase “could it be” so you have some standing when you’re inevitably sued for slander.
How can we start a rumor that ElMu is the Zodiac Killer when everyone knows that Rafael “Ted” Cruz was the Zodiac Killer?
I think you mean The Asylum version of Tony Stark.
At least around 2015 when SpaceX landed a rocket for the first time, it really does look like he’s the real life Tony Stark. People change, sometimes for the worse.
That one line in Star Trek Discovery is more hilarious by the day. I have no fucking idea what the writers were thinking.
Which line?
The one where Captain Lorca lists the Wright Brothers, Cochrane (the inventor of warp drive in the ST universe), and Elon Musk as tech visionaries of their eras.
Ah thought so just wanted to confirm. Yeah I think I dropped the show not much later than that line.
It didn’t hurt that he was in Iron Man 2. Pepper for some reason is bending over backwards to be deferential to him in the early Monte Carlo scene.
Well, Tony Stark is a fictional character in a fictional universe, so real science or how the real world works in general don’t need to apply to him and he only needs to conjure up some cool sounding tech words for the audience and the plot will do the rest. So Elon Musk is indeed like Tony Stark, only issue is he is also indeed the real life version so has no plot to back him up and all the rules of real life still apply.
It’s kinda amazing how someone can work so hard to sabotage their own public image.
Musk wants Twitter to fail. He bid on it for a laugh and when his bid was accepted he tried to get out of it.
They made him buy it and he’s been butthurt ever since. He wants everyone involved to suffer, because then the decision to hold him accountable was a bad decision.
He doesn’t give a fuck about people, or technology, or even the money he sunk on it. So it looks like he’s shaving his eyebrows to spite his face. It doesn’t hurt, so he doesn’t care.
4D chess isn’t real. Sometimes, rich and powerful people do dumb things. Sometimes they’re not very smart and have a visible personality disorder. Searching for an underlying clever motive is an exercise in your intelligence - not theirs.
He’s not hurting the people who made him buy it.
If he really wanted to be rid of it he could have instead done nothing. Put someone in charge with the impossible task of “make this profitable in 5 years” and then shut it down after 5 years because “it’s not profitable”.
Showing his ass to the world and ruining future potential for investment by looking like an incompetent idiot is not a “secretly intelligent move”.
Sure he’s not hurting them, but he’ll still keep riding the pony into the ground, because he owns it, he’ll do what he wants. He’s not making intelligent moves, because his choices aren’t reasoned they are just whims.
Right, he’s an idiot.
What? The people who made him buy it got paid already. I’m sure they’re laughing every time they see it drop in value.
They’re probably doubly laughing because he fired them for supposed incompetence, yet Elon tanking the price is evidence that they were doing a much better job. You could very well see a suit for wrongful termination in the future.
You underestimate his incompetence
Clearly this man has never read a book on type theory or compiler construction.
Clearly this man has never read a book
Clearly this man has never read
Clearly this man has never
this isn’t a joke. you haven’t made a joke.
Clearly this man is fun at parties…/s
Yea, they’re just spitting facts. Elon would have to be an actual man to ever.
Truly one of the statements of all time
See I get what you were doing there, it was funny. But the downvotes thought you were putting down the thread jokes for real. You were basically pointing out that the best jokes are actual life.
Yeah, it’s just rude. I have never, and it’s a serious condition.
Clearly this man has never been to a party
This man…
There’s some evidence that he read Atlas Shrugged, which is about a poor executive who “suffers” under increasing government regulation. It’s like a bible for CEOs
Who are you quoting?
That other poster is likely trying to deliver a point, that Musk probably never read a book, by clipping the sentence of the other poster.
Yeah, this is a classic example of a problem that looks very simple if you haven’t researched it at all, but it’s an absolute mess once you start digging into the details.
I constantly feel the need to argue with this dumb fuck and his 99% wrong opinions. I usually have to take a step back, remember it’s not worth it, and then move on. It would be a great help if I had a Firefox add-on that precedes all of musk’s tweets with "retard weighing in: ", just as a reminder that he’s also allowed a point of view, despite his mental issues.
I remember someone once created a firefox addon that made all of Trump’s tweets look like they were drawn with crayon. Someone should make a new version of that for Musk.
Irrelevant question ahead->
I have read that Google is dumb and potentially malware carrying extensions sometimes slip through their security and onto the chrome store. Is it true and how does it apply to Firefox
This is true and also an issue for Firefox.
It is difficult to address, and if the extension isn’t open source you should be especially careful.
That said there are extensions with security reviews performed by the Mozilla foundation and you can see that on the extension page.
dont question kings /s
Shut the fuck up, Lonny. You’re out of your element.
I’m the Tony Stark.
For the curious, this is about as easy as it gets for proper type inference. You could leave out the one or other thing (most prominently, polymorphism), but that kind of stuff would hardly qualify as even a toy example.
I won’t claim that J. Random Hacker will have issues understanding it – it’s a neatly tied bundle of necessary complexity without any distracting parts (like efficiency), if you sit down with the thing (ideally starting the whole series from the beginning) you’ll be able to grok it (and have learned a lot). However, understanding HM isn’t the same as being able to extend it, which includes proving soundness of the system, that kind of stuff is a specialised field within a specialised field within academia with more open questions than answered ones. The reason Rust doesn’t have HKTs? Because their interaction with lifetimes is insufficiently understood. Those kinds of questions can easily start 20+ years of research only to be answered with “yep that’s inherently unsound/uncomputable/whatever”.
Oh, EDIT, forgot: AI-enabled typing is obviously a completely braindead idea. I don’t need a second lazy, impatient, hubristic idiot looking at my code, I need something to catch mistakes. Something deterministic, rule-based, pure unerring logic. Which is exactly what type systems are and do.
AI-enabled typing is obviously a completely braindead idea.
I agree. However, and I know I’m practically reading tea leaves here, but I read that last line as a suggestion that AI would replace programming outright.
Musk’s greatest innovative genius is finding new ways to be annoying.
Elon what the fuck are you talking about
Apparently he thought the conversation was about whether or not a compiler can understand a type at compile time. The answer is yes. Yes they can. But I’d love to see Elon struggle through the description of why he thinks it’s “easy” and why what he said is relevant.
whether or not a compiler can understand a type at compile time
In many / most(?) compiled languages that’s because the type is specified at compile time. With interpreted languages that’s often not the case, and in that case determining the type can be extremely hard.
Quick, somebody teach this man JavaScript.
Actually on second thought, let’s just give him a marble notebook and crayons and tell him that’s JavaScript.
A notebook and crayons? I think you’d just get back stick figure-esque drawings of cybertrucks with notes like “bulletproof” and “anti-gas attack”.
Just like the poor Tesla design team.
Wasn’t PayPal coded in PHP? That might explain a lot of things…
That’s a load bearing “done right”.
Oh look, a dipshit who never wrote a line of code.
Well, according to the first biography about him, he was coding quite a lot in Zip2 and perhaps also some in early PayPal. Bit the code was supposedly hastily written and very bad.
Not true. He worked on a game once.
It wasn’t very good like most of the Sega CD games.
Neat! To save others a search, “Post Production - Ground Control” turned up for my search.
Edit: If I ever worked on a Sega CD game, I would wear that as a badge of pride. It wasn’t a good game system, but it was an interesting era in the history of gaming.
